Vitality/Wound and Unconscious [Archive] - Wizards Community

Vitality/Wound and Unconscious [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Magus_Extreme
02-20-04, 09:12 PM I love the Vit/Wound system, but it leaves literally NO option for those who want to subdue and render their opponent's unconscious. You can punch them all day but they only become unconscious when you kill them. Anyone else have this problem?
Jack Daniel
02-20-04, 09:32 PM I can only offer my fix.

Nonlethal Attacks
Any attack that deals subdual damage in the core rules, such as a sap, an untrained unarmed strike, or a normal weapon taking a -4 penalty to hit "with the flat of the blade" is a nonlethal attack. Nonlethal attacks cannot deal wound point damage under any circumstances.
A critical hit with a nonlethal attack deals VP damage as normal and causes the target struck to make a Fortidue save vs. DC 5 + the damage or be stunned for 1d4 rounds, just as if he had taken wound damage.
If a nonlethal attack deals more damage than the character has VP, then the character falls into negative vitality points. The character must make an immediate Fortitude save vs. DC 5 + the amount of VP below 0, or be stunned for 1d4 rounds. Also, anyone with negative vitality is both fatigued and staggered until his vitality returns to 0 or higher.
That's my patch. Hope it helps.
Magus_Extreme
02-20-04, 10:28 PM that's close to what i do, but the thing is, you still can't knock anyone unconscious...
Illithidbix
02-21-04, 12:41 AM I think it means that it doesn't make the distinction between nonleathal and lethal vitality damage.

The rate of recovery for vitality points is the same as the rate of recovery for standard non-lethal damage (i.e 1/level/hour)

In my judgment I would have non-lethal damage cause vitality point damage (just like lethal weapons do) however when it causes wound damage have it operate in the same way as non-lethal damage acts in relation to normal hitpoints in the PHB (i.e. knocking people unconscious when you’re non-lethal damage exceeds the current number of woundpoints the character possesses).
tec-goblin
02-21-04, 05:27 AM Well, vitality/wound has many problems. It's great, will see great use, but I can't see how it could be used without tweaking. For example, every epic character who loses his Wound points in this system, simply won't die (the Fort 15 is ridiculous).
I cannot see why massive damage is erased.
Anyway, IMC it will be used with normal negative hit points (as usual), massive damage allowed, tweaking to regeneration and to subdual damage.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Magus_Extreme 02-20-04, 09:12 PM	I love the Vit/Wound system, but it leaves literally NO option for those who want to subdue and render their opponent's unconscious. You can punch them all day but they only become unconscious when you kill them. Anyone else have this problem?
Jack Daniel 02-20-04, 09:32 PM	I can only offer my fix. Nonlethal Attacks Any attack that deals subdual damage in the core rules, such as a sap, an untrained unarmed strike, or a normal weapon taking a -4 penalty to hit "with the flat of the blade" is a nonlethal attack. Nonlethal attacks cannot deal wound point damage under any circumstances. A critical hit with a nonlethal attack deals VP damage as normal and causes the target struck to make a Fortidue save vs. DC 5 + the damage or be stunned for 1d4 rounds, just as if he had taken wound damage. If a nonlethal attack deals more damage than the character has VP, then the character falls into negative vitality points. The character must make an immediate Fortitude save vs. DC 5 + the amount of VP below 0, or be stunned for 1d4 rounds. Also, anyone with negative vitality is both fatigued and staggered until his vitality returns to 0 or higher. That's my patch. Hope it helps.
Magus_Extreme 02-20-04, 10:28 PM	that's close to what i do, but the thing is, you still can't knock anyone unconscious...
Illithidbix 02-21-04, 12:41 AM	I think it means that it doesn't make the distinction between nonleathal and lethal vitality damage. The rate of recovery for vitality points is the same as the rate of recovery for standard non-lethal damage (i.e 1/level/hour) In my judgment I would have non-lethal damage cause vitality point damage (just like lethal weapons do) however when it causes wound damage have it operate in the same way as non-lethal damage acts in relation to normal hitpoints in the PHB (i.e. knocking people unconscious when you’re non-lethal damage exceeds the current number of woundpoints the character possesses).
tec-goblin 02-21-04, 05:27 AM	Well, vitality/wound has many problems. It's great, will see great use, but I can't see how it could be used without tweaking. For example, every epic character who loses his Wound points in this system, simply won't die (the Fort 15 is ridiculous). I cannot see why massive damage is erased. Anyway, IMC it will be used with normal negative hit points (as usual), massive damage allowed, tweaking to regeneration and to subdual damage.