Water Halfling and Orc [Archive] - Wizards Community

Water Halfling and Orc [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Kadasbrass
12-18-04, 02:22 AM Okay I just wanted to make sure this is correct in its listing. After trying to search for it, I found no threads on it.

The Water Halfling and Water Orc in Unearthed Arcana both have an bonus +2 Con inaddition to their normal changes without anything else being changed.

This just doesn't seem correct since every other change in the book at lest balances any changes out, with either an addition -2 to another stat or just moving the +2 to the new stat.

The only line of logic I see in this somewhat unbalancing adjustment is because the water races get an -2 to saves vs fire spells (or fire subtype mages). Now all the 'elemental' touched race variants got an -2 all saves vs spells of the opposing element or casted by people with the opposed element subtype.

With that said, the only reason I can see them favoring the water races is if they felt that fire spells were the most likely to be encountered and felt they deserved an extra boast since other races are less likely to encounter water, earth, or air.

Now hopefully someone out there has better reasoning then me, or just knows the answers (since I didn't see an errata when I looked).
Silent_spy
12-22-04, 02:59 AM water races tend to have buffed out physical stats. However, I reccommend you ignore water/underground/flying/deep woods/volcanic/ice/amphibious/mountain variations of every race. Noteably, water halflings and orcs, and about half of the elf subraces. But, as far as the con thing goes, either you're the player or the Dm. If you're the player, you're wrong and you can stop worrying about it. If you're the DM, you're right, but if the player doesnt like it, permanantly drain his con through heavy poisoning of some kind so he gets the point.
Kadasbrass
12-22-04, 05:44 PM No one was playing them. A player had lost their character sheet and was making a new one and was looking throught my Unearthed Arcana and we noticed that the Water Races had extra con, I wasn't the DM but suggested that he shouldn't use the water races since I was believing there was an error either printed or left out that an errata would clearly correct.

Since there was no outstanding Errata to clear it out I came here since was unable to find anything on water halflings.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Kadasbrass 12-18-04, 02:22 AM	Okay I just wanted to make sure this is correct in its listing. After trying to search for it, I found no threads on it. The Water Halfling and Water Orc in Unearthed Arcana both have an bonus +2 Con inaddition to their normal changes without anything else being changed. This just doesn't seem correct since every other change in the book at lest balances any changes out, with either an addition -2 to another stat or just moving the +2 to the new stat. The only line of logic I see in this somewhat unbalancing adjustment is because the water races get an -2 to saves vs fire spells (or fire subtype mages). Now all the 'elemental' touched race variants got an -2 all saves vs spells of the opposing element or casted by people with the opposed element subtype. With that said, the only reason I can see them favoring the water races is if they felt that fire spells were the most likely to be encountered and felt they deserved an extra boast since other races are less likely to encounter water, earth, or air. Now hopefully someone out there has better reasoning then me, or just knows the answers (since I didn't see an errata when I looked).
Silent_spy 12-22-04, 02:59 AM	water races tend to have buffed out physical stats. However, I reccommend you ignore water/underground/flying/deep woods/volcanic/ice/amphibious/mountain variations of every race. Noteably, water halflings and orcs, and about half of the elf subraces. But, as far as the con thing goes, either you're the player or the Dm. If you're the player, you're wrong and you can stop worrying about it. If you're the DM, you're right, but if the player doesnt like it, permanantly drain his con through heavy poisoning of some kind so he gets the point.
Kadasbrass 12-22-04, 05:44 PM	No one was playing them. A player had lost their character sheet and was making a new one and was looking throught my Unearthed Arcana and we noticed that the Water Races had extra con, I wasn't the DM but suggested that he shouldn't use the water races since I was believing there was an error either printed or left out that an errata would clearly correct. Since there was no outstanding Errata to clear it out I came here since was unable to find anything on water halflings.