2 weapon fighting [Archive] - Wizards Community

2 weapon fighting [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Monkeykong
12-17-07, 11:58 PM Forgive me if this is the wrong place to ask. I am starting my first session DM'ing and I am i a bit of a pickle with one of my PC's. He is playing a satyr and as an 8th level fighter with 2 weapon fighting he says he gets 3 attacks because of the headbutt attack. So 2 weapon and 1 Head butt. Am I wrong in thinking that he needs improved 2 weapon fighting in order to have the tertiary attack? Any help you can offer on this would be greatly appreciated.
Andrew
12-18-07, 12:29 AM Both you and your player are wrong. A Satyr (5 hit die Fey) Fighter 8 with two-weapon fighting has a base attack bonus of 12 10 AND a natural attack. He gets 2 primary weapon attacks at +10 +8 (plus strength and other misc. modifiers), 1 secondary iterative weapon attack at +5 +3, 1 tertiary iterative weapon attack at +0, and 1 secondary natural attack (the headbutt) at +5 +3 (best attack -5, half Strength bonus for damage). That's 5 4 total attacks.

One consistent and unchanging recommendation is to start games as a new DM at 1st level. A Fighter 8 Satyr is the level equivalent of a 15th level PC. The game gets more complicated and harder to maintain the higher in level you go. If you're making a serious go of this, start a group fresh at level 1 and take your time.
Orchomenos
12-18-07, 04:28 PM Andrew is right except on one point: fey have BAB equal to half their HD. So a satyr would have +2 BAB, and a satyr fighter 8 would have +10 BAB, not +12. You don't have tertiary iterative weapon attacks yet. But if the player select Improved Two Weapon Fighting, he gets a second iterative attack with his off-hand.
Cifer
12-18-07, 05:26 PM One consistent and unchanging recommendation is to start games as a new DM at 1st level. A Fighter 8 Satyr is the level equivalent of a 15th level PC. The game gets more complicated and harder to maintain the higher in level you go. If you're making a serious go of this, start a group fresh at level 1 and take your time.
QFT (quoted for truth)

The rules for monstrous races as player characters are somewhat complicated and unbalancing for first time DMs and players.

In general, though, Natural Attacks such as a headbutt of a horned creature is always added to a Full Attack, whether the user has any version of TWF or not.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Monkeykong 12-17-07, 11:58 PM	Forgive me if this is the wrong place to ask. I am starting my first session DM'ing and I am i a bit of a pickle with one of my PC's. He is playing a satyr and as an 8th level fighter with 2 weapon fighting he says he gets 3 attacks because of the headbutt attack. So 2 weapon and 1 Head butt. Am I wrong in thinking that he needs improved 2 weapon fighting in order to have the tertiary attack? Any help you can offer on this would be greatly appreciated.
Andrew 12-18-07, 12:29 AM	Both you and your player are wrong. A Satyr (5 hit die Fey) Fighter 8 with two-weapon fighting has a base attack bonus of 12 10 AND a natural attack. He gets 2 primary weapon attacks at +10 +8 (plus strength and other misc. modifiers), 1 secondary iterative weapon attack at +5 +3, 1 tertiary iterative weapon attack at +0, and 1 secondary natural attack (the headbutt) at +5 +3 (best attack -5, half Strength bonus for damage). That's 5 4 total attacks. One consistent and unchanging recommendation is to start games as a new DM at 1st level. A Fighter 8 Satyr is the level equivalent of a 15th level PC. The game gets more complicated and harder to maintain the higher in level you go. If you're making a serious go of this, start a group fresh at level 1 and take your time.
Orchomenos 12-18-07, 04:28 PM	Andrew is right except on one point: fey have BAB equal to half their HD. So a satyr would have +2 BAB, and a satyr fighter 8 would have +10 BAB, not +12. You don't have tertiary iterative weapon attacks yet. But if the player select Improved Two Weapon Fighting, he gets a second iterative attack with his off-hand.
Cifer 12-18-07, 05:26 PM	One consistent and unchanging recommendation is to start games as a new DM at 1st level. A Fighter 8 Satyr is the level equivalent of a 15th level PC. The game gets more complicated and harder to maintain the higher in level you go. If you're making a serious go of this, start a group fresh at level 1 and take your time. QFT (quoted for truth) The rules for monstrous races as player characters are somewhat complicated and unbalancing for first time DMs and players. In general, though, Natural Attacks such as a headbutt of a horned creature is always added to a Full Attack, whether the user has any version of TWF or not.