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Thistle Rosewood 12-11-07, 12:57 AM	Greetings from Thistle. We had come up in tonights game, a topic we are all divided on. still playing 3.5 rules Magic items and the Slots they take up. We had a player, in the back of the Dmg, page 285 on the chart, it says that by paying double, you can create a magic item that doesnt take up a slot on the body. This player intended to make a ring of Wizardry 2, and use it as a ring, in conjunction with his other rings, but the example given is with Ioun Stones. It says see page 214, where it again states only two working rings at a time. If you look under rings it states onlt two working rings at a time. Page 214 gives a list, of what can and cannot be used and is very clear that only one per slot. So how is it, that an item can be made with no Slot, costing double. Could someone please explain this too me. One Confused Pixie Dm.
Dire_Rhino 12-11-07, 01:03 AM	If you choose to pay double, the magic item is no longer a Ring of Wizardry. It's in fact an Ioun Stone of Wizardry (or Protection or whatever). Since it isn't a ring, it's not bound to the ring slot, and doesn't interfere with the rings the character has got on. (Note that the item doesn't have to be an ioun stone; it could just as easily be more like a pearl of power, where it doesn't even have to come out of the player's bag - the point is, pay double and the game doesn't care where you put it, it doesn't count as an item but you still get the bonus.)
Thistle Rosewood 12-11-07, 01:06 AM	I wondered about whether it became an Ioun stone or like a necklase of fire balls, as being a ring to me, is still a ring. So essentially, it becomes an ioun stone and flaots about. Thanks
Andrew 12-11-07, 01:44 AM	A magic item without a space/slot does not necessarily "float" like an ioun stone does. In a metaphorical sense it floats, but not a physical sense. A better example is a stone of good luck. You don't have to wear it, wield it, or anything special other than own it and have it somewhere on your person to benefit from it. The metaphysics of item slots is that only a portion of the power of the item comes from the creator - the rest is part of the flow of living magic around a living person. There are only so many places and only so much where this can be exploited, hence the discrete number of item slots. For 1.5 times the cost, an item can be created to use a nonstandard slot, like boots of wizardry. For double the cost, it can be free from any slot, as a widget of wizardry that you don't have to wear anywhere in particular and can be worn with any number of similar items. However, the easiest policy is that if the base item is a ring, it still takes the Forge Ring feat to make it slotless, and takes Craft Wondrous Item in addition to make it fit in a standard wondrous item slot.
cheezgrater 12-11-07, 01:48 AM	So essentially, it becomes an ioun stone and flaots about. Thanks Or a nose ring....or a tattoo...or an anklet...or some bellybutton lint...doesn't really matter. Hmm....You give me ideas for interesting unslotted magic items... Belly Button Lint Of Levitation Chest Hair of Charisma Gold Toothcaps of Proof Against Poison
kuonji 12-11-07, 01:49 AM	Hand of Glory This mummified human hand hangs by a leather cord around a character’s neck (taking up space as a magic necklace would). If a magic ring is placed on one of the fingers of the hand, the wearer benefits from the ring as if wearing it herself, and it does not count against her two-ring limit. The hand can wear only one ring at a time. Even without a ring, the hand itself allows its wearer to use daylight and see invisibility each once per day. Faint varied; CL 5th; Craft Wondrous Item, animate dead, daylight, see invisibility; Price 8,000 gp; Weight 2 lb. Try that.
ghawkeye 12-11-07, 02:33 AM	So basically that means one could use Craft Wondrous Item and make it not take an item slot or Forge Ring and make it not take an item slot. So if one uses Forge Ring, then they could wear it as a ring or just leave it in a belt pouch?
cheezgrater 12-11-07, 02:56 AM	So basically that means one could use Craft Wondrous Item and make it not take an item slot or Forge Ring and make it not take an item slot. So if one uses Forge Ring, then they could wear it as a ring or just leave it in a belt pouch? You would have to use Craft Wondrous. Forge Ring would not allow you to make unslotted items.
Eldritch_Id 12-11-07, 03:01 AM	Chest Hair of CharismaNature & myself already beat to that punch, brother. Along with my Beard of Useful Items. Two (rational) thoughts: 1.) There's a sword somewhere (Arms & Equipment Guide, maybe?) that allows you to 'wear' another ring on the pommel of the weapon if it's being wielded. Personally, I think a Ring Staff capped at either end with a ring would be sorta neat. 2.) Can't you furher enhance an item that's already enchaned? (ie add the frost ability to a +1 weapon). Your companion could just further enchant his/her/its/nobodys' ring.
Sarella Starshine 12-11-07, 10:45 AM	Because it is slotless, it does NOT matter how it looks like. So, yes, It could look like a ring, and he can wear it if he wants. Having it be slotless means that he does not have to have it worn to be effective.
lifeblender 12-11-07, 12:40 PM	If an item takes a high-level crafting feat like Craft Ring or Craft Staff to create, then you should probably require your player to have that feat as well as Craft Wondrous Item in order to make a slotless version of it. Craft Wondrous Item shouldn't be used to make items with as much bang-for-the-buck as the items that higher-level crafting feats allow. Also, check out the Extra Rings feat in the Eberron Campaign Setting book. It requires Craft Ring as a pre-req and lets you wear and use up to four rings, two on each hand.