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Marendithas_the_Necro
03-29-06, 05:22 PM Some of my players is saying that :
-1 When a druid die his animal companion is disappearing or simply go away
I think it's not true
-2 When a spellcaster die after a spell like fear or summon monster does the spell finish or he continue?

And me i'm thinking about:
3- When a vampire have a slave and that slave have a slave what happen if the second slave die? The first vampire still have under his control the third one? If not the third one is now free yes?
Zherog
03-29-06, 05:26 PM Some of my players is saying that :
-1 When a druid die his animal companion is disappearing or simply go away
I think it's not true

When a druid dies, the bond between the druid and the animal is broken. The animal doesn't disappear, but it's also no longer the druid's companion.

The same is actually true for a wizard/sorcerer and his/her familiar.

-2 When a spellcaster die after a spell like fear or summon monster does the spell finish or he continue?

If the spell has a duration, that duration continues. If the spell requires concentration, it ends. Both spells you mention have a duration, so each continues after the caster dies.

And me i'm thinking about:
3- When a vampire have a slave and that slave have a slave what happen if the second slave die? The first vampire still have under his control the third one? If not the third one is now free yes?

The first never had control of the third to begin with. In the scenario you describe, the third would become free-willed.
Mock26
03-29-06, 06:04 PM When a druid dies, the bond between the druid and the animal is broken. The animal doesn't disappear, but it's also no longer the druid's companion.
Well, does grilling and eating it count as disappearing? :D I was in a group that did that once, and then they went and had a raise dead cast on the druid! :eek:
Zherog
03-29-06, 06:06 PM Well, considering what eventually happens to the food you eat, I suppose it's more along the lines of a natural polymorph. :smirk:
e4tmyl33t
03-29-06, 06:22 PM Actually, any monsters summoned by a spellcaster are returned to where they were summoned from the instant the spellcaster dies. I'm pretty sure that residual spells work the same way (unless stated otherwise or under the effects of a permanency spell)
20goingon1232
03-29-06, 06:48 PM Well, does grilling and eating it count as disappearing? :D I was in a group that did that once, and then they went and had a raise dead cast on the druid! :eek:
There was a TPK, with emphasis on the PK?
Marendithas_the_Necro
03-29-06, 07:26 PM ... ok for summoning spells it's yes or no?
steventirey1985
03-29-06, 08:14 PM Actually, any monsters summoned by a spellcaster are returned to where they were summoned from the instant the spellcaster dies. I'm pretty sure that residual spells work the same way (unless stated otherwise or under the effects of a permanency spell)

Where does it say that? I Just checked the SRD for the Summon Monster spell, and it doesn't say anything about the creature dissapearing when the caster dies.

Summon Monster I[/I] spell]This spell summons an extraplanar creature (typically an outsider, elemental, or magical beast native to another plane). It appears where you designate and acts immediately, on your turn. It attacks your opponents to the best of its ability. If you can communicate with the creature, you can direct it not to attack, to attack particular enemies, or to perform other actions.
The spell conjures one of the creatures from the 1st-level list on the accompanying Summon Monster table. You choose which kind of creature to summon, and you can change that choice each time you cast the spell.
A summoned monster cannot summon or otherwise conjure another creature, nor can it use any teleportation or planar travel abilities. Creatures cannot be summoned into an environment that cannot support them.
When you use a summoning spell to summon an air, chaotic, earth, evil, fire, good, lawful, or water creature, it is a spell of that type.
Arcane Focus: A tiny bag and a small (not necessarily lit) candle.

It does, however, disapear if it (the summoned creature) dies:
A summoning spell instantly brings a creature or object to a place you designate. When the spell ends or is dispelled, a summoned creature is instantly sent back to where it came from, but a summoned object is not sent back unless the spell description specifically indicates this. A summoned creature also goes away if it is killed or if its hit points drop to 0 or lower.

And like others have said, if the spell has a duration, it lasts until the duration ends, even if the spellcaster dies befor the duration ends. Spells that require concentration end when the spellcaster dies (he can't maintain concentration while dead, now can he?).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Marendithas_the_Necro 03-29-06, 05:22 PM	Some of my players is saying that : -1 When a druid die his animal companion is disappearing or simply go away I think it's not true -2 When a spellcaster die after a spell like fear or summon monster does the spell finish or he continue? And me i'm thinking about: 3- When a vampire have a slave and that slave have a slave what happen if the second slave die? The first vampire still have under his control the third one? If not the third one is now free yes?
Zherog 03-29-06, 05:26 PM	Some of my players is saying that : -1 When a druid die his animal companion is disappearing or simply go away I think it's not true When a druid dies, the bond between the druid and the animal is broken. The animal doesn't disappear, but it's also no longer the druid's companion. The same is actually true for a wizard/sorcerer and his/her familiar. -2 When a spellcaster die after a spell like fear or summon monster does the spell finish or he continue? If the spell has a duration, that duration continues. If the spell requires concentration, it ends. Both spells you mention have a duration, so each continues after the caster dies. And me i'm thinking about: 3- When a vampire have a slave and that slave have a slave what happen if the second slave die? The first vampire still have under his control the third one? If not the third one is now free yes? The first never had control of the third to begin with. In the scenario you describe, the third would become free-willed.
Mock26 03-29-06, 06:04 PM	When a druid dies, the bond between the druid and the animal is broken. The animal doesn't disappear, but it's also no longer the druid's companion. Well, does grilling and eating it count as disappearing? :D I was in a group that did that once, and then they went and had a raise dead cast on the druid! :eek:
Zherog 03-29-06, 06:06 PM	Well, considering what eventually happens to the food you eat, I suppose it's more along the lines of a natural polymorph. :smirk:
e4tmyl33t 03-29-06, 06:22 PM	Actually, any monsters summoned by a spellcaster are returned to where they were summoned from the instant the spellcaster dies. I'm pretty sure that residual spells work the same way (unless stated otherwise or under the effects of a permanency spell)
20goingon1232 03-29-06, 06:48 PM	Well, does grilling and eating it count as disappearing? :D I was in a group that did that once, and then they went and had a raise dead cast on the druid! :eek: There was a TPK, with emphasis on the PK?
Marendithas_the_Necro 03-29-06, 07:26 PM	... ok for summoning spells it's yes or no?
steventirey1985 03-29-06, 08:14 PM	Actually, any monsters summoned by a spellcaster are returned to where they were summoned from the instant the spellcaster dies. I'm pretty sure that residual spells work the same way (unless stated otherwise or under the effects of a permanency spell) Where does it say that? I Just checked the SRD for the Summon Monster spell, and it doesn't say anything about the creature dissapearing when the caster dies. Summon Monster I[/I] spell]This spell summons an extraplanar creature (typically an outsider, elemental, or magical beast native to another plane). It appears where you designate and acts immediately, on your turn. It attacks your opponents to the best of its ability. If you can communicate with the creature, you can direct it not to attack, to attack particular enemies, or to perform other actions. The spell conjures one of the creatures from the 1st-level list on the accompanying Summon Monster table. You choose which kind of creature to summon, and you can change that choice each time you cast the spell. A summoned monster cannot summon or otherwise conjure another creature, nor can it use any teleportation or planar travel abilities. Creatures cannot be summoned into an environment that cannot support them. When you use a summoning spell to summon an air, chaotic, earth, evil, fire, good, lawful, or water creature, it is a spell of that type. Arcane Focus: A tiny bag and a small (not necessarily lit) candle. It does, however, disapear if it (the summoned creature) dies: A summoning spell instantly brings a creature or object to a place you designate. When the spell ends or is dispelled, a summoned creature is instantly sent back to where it came from, but a summoned object is not sent back unless the spell description specifically indicates this. A summoned creature also goes away if it is killed or if its hit points drop to 0 or lower. And like others have said, if the spell has a duration, it lasts until the duration ends, even if the spellcaster dies befor the duration ends. Spells that require concentration end when the spellcaster dies (he can't maintain concentration while dead, now can he?).