A lava based dilema. [Archive] - Wizards Community

A lava based dilema. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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UltroidBlue
03-31-07, 10:13 PM Forgive me if this question has come up already. The main question is: since an iron golem is immune to fire, and is even healed by fire damage, what would happen if it fell directly into the center of a volcano?

A living creature with fire immunity would "drown" in the lava, but the iron golem is a construct, and would just sink.

Would the lava seep into its gears and render it immobile?

Could it recieve TOO much healing from the lava, and short out?
Imatash
03-31-07, 10:20 PM I don't know if it could swim, if he couldn't grab a side or climb up the walls my guess is he sinks to the bottom and either stays there or slowly starts searching for a lava tunnel underground until he finally gets out of the mountain side.

:confused:
Imatash
fun2223
03-31-07, 10:23 PM Iron golems are solid iron, maby deal bludgeoning?? If it goes deep, pressure could easily kill it.
wrecan
03-31-07, 11:16 PM Golems don't have gears or electronics. They don't "short out".

I don't think a two and a half ton iron golem can swim. The heat would keep the iron golem in good condition, and it could walk around in the center of the volcano without any ill effects. Eventually it would find a ledge or side and climb iself out.
Nova Fujit
03-31-07, 11:25 PM Woot Lava Golem!!!

Really though if the golem has a way to get out of the lava then take it.

If not he will just have to wait untill the next eruption or float around the mantle of the world =D

consider him defeated =P
Horus_Sungod
03-31-07, 11:33 PM already said but they have no gears, they're golems, not transformers! There are no rules for pression (at least in core, maybe in stormwrack, with the depts and stuff) so technically a iron golem would heal QUICKLY in lava.

I figure it recycles fire energy to heal itself (like a super-solar panel of LAVA!). Using its super-slowness, I don't think a golem would be able to climb up a sheer cliff fast enough to catch an eventual party that pushed it in the first place.

Actually, I though about making a half-golem (iron) drenched in oil and in combat it would drop a torch on himself (free action) and heal one or two points per round AND break any slow effects due to electricity. :)
Good times.
darkneolink
03-31-07, 11:36 PM well take on consideration that the golem is defeated for the time, but if the party ever comes back they might find the mighty

*searchs his old Yu-gi oh deck

lava golem
Thubby
04-01-07, 02:47 AM depending how and where it fell in. it would iether:
sink to the bottom, walk to a ledge, climb out and continue its rampage. it might get stuck at the bottom if the walls cant support it
land, 1/2 sink, and waid after you like walking in thick mud.
sink, get swept away by the current, pulled deep under ground and iether crush by the pressure (houserule), crushed by tectonic plates, or eaten by phaethon (epic). if its realy lucky it might get stuck in the core, and survive to be spit out of a magma vent millenia later, but thats 1 in a trillion, and requires ignoring comon sense.
Gamili
04-01-07, 04:28 AM Since when was ignoring common sense ever a problem?
Molitor
04-01-07, 07:13 AM Lava has the consistency of silly putty. And golems don't possess skills.

Just thought I'd mention that.
Aeromus
04-01-07, 07:22 AM I think it would melt, ah-la Terminator style.

Why?

Because they are immune(heal from) to fire damage. Not heat Damage.

And, I assume by fire it means magic fire spells. Not natural heat sources.
Voran
04-01-07, 08:20 AM I'd think, in the context of DnD, they lump heat in with fire. For the example, a party that chucked a Iron Golem into the lava of mount doom would get xp for defeating the golem, even though they didn't kill it. The golem would then sorta roll around, following the currents of magma, not being able to tell where its going, and possibly eventually getting chucked out somewhere down the line, in the ocean or through an eruption. Unless it ran through an anti-magic zone or something, then it would get slagged by the magma.
Caliborn
04-01-07, 08:32 AM The golem has a good strength score and both swim and climb can be used untrained IIRC. Additionally its slam attack can definitely overcome the volcano's hardness ten and would eventually be able to tunnel its way out through the rock.
Makuta999
04-01-07, 08:33 AM Yeah, I think that all the iron would simple melt. Immune to fire damage or not, I think that that much heat will simply melt it. Maybe not all of it, but to some extent, it will certainly be melted.

I.E. have him come back as a golem in the next section, with mishappen arms and legs, and have it stumble around, killing stuff.
Type2Demon
04-01-07, 10:22 AM The golem would try to climb out.
If it does get out, It is now glowing hot and adds + 1D6 Fire damage per hit for the next half hour...until it cools down.

It might not sink too deep in the lava.
It depends on the density of lava and how boyant metal is in that medium.
fun2223
04-01-07, 11:25 AM Yeah, I think that all the iron would simple melt. Immune to fire damage or not, I think that that much heat will simply melt it. Maybe not all of it, but to some extent, it will certainly be melted.

I.E. have him come back as a golem in the next section, with mishappen arms and legs, and have it stumble around, killing stuff.

Its Magical Metal, Maby give it a fire breath attack instead of poisen, DO bring it back!!!
Shatteredtower
04-01-07, 12:52 PM The main question is: since an iron golem is immune to fire, and is even healed by fire damage, what would happen if it fell directly into the center of a volcano?Here's the funny thing: in 3.5 RAW, iron golems aren't immune to fire.

No, really. Check the list of special qualities, and you won't find immunity to any energy type listed there. Yes, they are healed instead of harmed by magical fire, but not by a torch. Alchemist's fire will damage an iron golem.

Conjuration spells with the fire descriptor a bit confusing because of this. The reason they don't allow for spell resistance is supposedly because they don't produce magical fire. This can lead to such silliness as having a wizard ordering an iron golem to retreat from the damage caused to it by an incendiary cloud into a wall of fire, which will gradually heal the fire damage sustained from the cloud.

This is one of the curious rule glitches that came out of changing golems for 3.5. Stranger still, however: did you know that, by the RAW, the typical iron golem caught outside on an extremely cold (-20 degrees Farenheit) day will last an average of 37 minutes? Likewise, natural lightning can kill a flesh golem. (Sorry, Mr. Karloff.)

I'm sure it seems rather odd to a lot of people. I don't blame anyone that would prefer to ignore such inconsistencies, but be careful how you patch it: granting an iron golem fire immunity would eliminate its ability to be healed by fire as well, at least by the RAW. (This is consistent with rules that state that bless, a mind-affecting spell, can't provide any benefit to undead or vermin.)

129/7
feartheinvinceblehamster
04-01-07, 02:05 PM I think if it was trapped there long enough it would probably go berserk.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
UltroidBlue 03-31-07, 10:13 PM	Forgive me if this question has come up already. The main question is: since an iron golem is immune to fire, and is even healed by fire damage, what would happen if it fell directly into the center of a volcano? A living creature with fire immunity would "drown" in the lava, but the iron golem is a construct, and would just sink. Would the lava seep into its gears and render it immobile? Could it recieve TOO much healing from the lava, and short out?
Imatash 03-31-07, 10:20 PM	I don't know if it could swim, if he couldn't grab a side or climb up the walls my guess is he sinks to the bottom and either stays there or slowly starts searching for a lava tunnel underground until he finally gets out of the mountain side. :confused: Imatash
fun2223 03-31-07, 10:23 PM	Iron golems are solid iron, maby deal bludgeoning?? If it goes deep, pressure could easily kill it.
wrecan 03-31-07, 11:16 PM	Golems don't have gears or electronics. They don't "short out". I don't think a two and a half ton iron golem can swim. The heat would keep the iron golem in good condition, and it could walk around in the center of the volcano without any ill effects. Eventually it would find a ledge or side and climb iself out.
Nova Fujit 03-31-07, 11:25 PM	Woot Lava Golem!!! Really though if the golem has a way to get out of the lava then take it. If not he will just have to wait untill the next eruption or float around the mantle of the world =D consider him defeated =P
Horus_Sungod 03-31-07, 11:33 PM	already said but they have no gears, they're golems, not transformers! There are no rules for pression (at least in core, maybe in stormwrack, with the depts and stuff) so technically a iron golem would heal QUICKLY in lava. I figure it recycles fire energy to heal itself (like a super-solar panel of LAVA!). Using its super-slowness, I don't think a golem would be able to climb up a sheer cliff fast enough to catch an eventual party that pushed it in the first place. Actually, I though about making a half-golem (iron) drenched in oil and in combat it would drop a torch on himself (free action) and heal one or two points per round AND break any slow effects due to electricity. :) Good times.
darkneolink 03-31-07, 11:36 PM	well take on consideration that the golem is defeated for the time, but if the party ever comes back they might find the mighty *searchs his old Yu-gi oh deck lava golem
Thubby 04-01-07, 02:47 AM	depending how and where it fell in. it would iether: sink to the bottom, walk to a ledge, climb out and continue its rampage. it might get stuck at the bottom if the walls cant support it land, 1/2 sink, and waid after you like walking in thick mud. sink, get swept away by the current, pulled deep under ground and iether crush by the pressure (houserule), crushed by tectonic plates, or eaten by phaethon (epic). if its realy lucky it might get stuck in the core, and survive to be spit out of a magma vent millenia later, but thats 1 in a trillion, and requires ignoring comon sense.
Gamili 04-01-07, 04:28 AM	Since when was ignoring common sense ever a problem?
Molitor 04-01-07, 07:13 AM	Lava has the consistency of silly putty. And golems don't possess skills. Just thought I'd mention that.
Aeromus 04-01-07, 07:22 AM	I think it would melt, ah-la Terminator style. Why? Because they are immune(heal from) to fire damage. Not heat Damage. And, I assume by fire it means magic fire spells. Not natural heat sources.
Voran 04-01-07, 08:20 AM	I'd think, in the context of DnD, they lump heat in with fire. For the example, a party that chucked a Iron Golem into the lava of mount doom would get xp for defeating the golem, even though they didn't kill it. The golem would then sorta roll around, following the currents of magma, not being able to tell where its going, and possibly eventually getting chucked out somewhere down the line, in the ocean or through an eruption. Unless it ran through an anti-magic zone or something, then it would get slagged by the magma.
Caliborn 04-01-07, 08:32 AM	The golem has a good strength score and both swim and climb can be used untrained IIRC. Additionally its slam attack can definitely overcome the volcano's hardness ten and would eventually be able to tunnel its way out through the rock.
Makuta999 04-01-07, 08:33 AM	Yeah, I think that all the iron would simple melt. Immune to fire damage or not, I think that that much heat will simply melt it. Maybe not all of it, but to some extent, it will certainly be melted. I.E. have him come back as a golem in the next section, with mishappen arms and legs, and have it stumble around, killing stuff.
Type2Demon 04-01-07, 10:22 AM	The golem would try to climb out. If it does get out, It is now glowing hot and adds + 1D6 Fire damage per hit for the next half hour...until it cools down. It might not sink too deep in the lava. It depends on the density of lava and how boyant metal is in that medium.
fun2223 04-01-07, 11:25 AM	Yeah, I think that all the iron would simple melt. Immune to fire damage or not, I think that that much heat will simply melt it. Maybe not all of it, but to some extent, it will certainly be melted. I.E. have him come back as a golem in the next section, with mishappen arms and legs, and have it stumble around, killing stuff. Its Magical Metal, Maby give it a fire breath attack instead of poisen, DO bring it back!!!
Shatteredtower 04-01-07, 12:52 PM	The main question is: since an iron golem is immune to fire, and is even healed by fire damage, what would happen if it fell directly into the center of a volcano?Here's the funny thing: in 3.5 RAW, iron golems aren't immune to fire. No, really. Check the list of special qualities, and you won't find immunity to any energy type listed there. Yes, they are healed instead of harmed by magical fire, but not by a torch. Alchemist's fire will damage an iron golem. Conjuration spells with the fire descriptor a bit confusing because of this. The reason they don't allow for spell resistance is supposedly because they don't produce magical fire. This can lead to such silliness as having a wizard ordering an iron golem to retreat from the damage caused to it by an incendiary cloud into a wall of fire, which will gradually heal the fire damage sustained from the cloud. This is one of the curious rule glitches that came out of changing golems for 3.5. Stranger still, however: did you know that, by the RAW, the typical iron golem caught outside on an extremely cold (-20 degrees Farenheit) day will last an average of 37 minutes? Likewise, natural lightning can kill a flesh golem. (Sorry, Mr. Karloff.) I'm sure it seems rather odd to a lot of people. I don't blame anyone that would prefer to ignore such inconsistencies, but be careful how you patch it: granting an iron golem fire immunity would eliminate its ability to be healed by fire as well, at least by the RAW. (This is consistent with rules that state that bless, a mind-affecting spell, can't provide any benefit to undead or vermin.) 129/7
feartheinvinceblehamster 04-01-07, 02:05 PM	I think if it was trapped there long enough it would probably go berserk.