A question about uncanny dodge and feinting [Archive] - Wizards Community

A question about uncanny dodge and feinting [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Ront_The_Barbarian
01-27-05, 12:06 PM I asked this in the "whats a player to do section and got some advise but I thought I would ask all the dm's out there.

My friends and I have been discussing the feint ability...If I unserstand it correctly if you do a feint the character losses his dex bonus...now with this we have a player that will feint and then use sneek attack...(becase of the loss of dex bonus) my question is this

If a character has uncanny dodge and retains his dex does that apply to the feint ability even if he losses the bluff check???

We have gone back and forth on this for...I dont know EVER...and I wanted some other insite to the problem.

Thank you
RONT
HelDM
01-27-05, 12:34 PM speaking as a rule-lawyer, I would say: "put ranks in the bluff of a rouge and lethim sneak-attack."

ahum...

What I was planning to say: feint is a sort of skill check. This means that you try to influence your opponent enough to let him/her stand oblivious towards you. It's a bluff check. if it succeeds, it means that the opponent (almost deliberately) ignores you and is unreactive towards you. it's a kind of mental-influence.

The uncanny dodge feat says: "this feat gives the creature the ability to react before his senses would normally allow him to do so." this means that he has some sort fo natural reflex to dodge attacks he doesn't see coming. It's kinda like "feeling" eyes burning on your back, and before you know, you look behind you to see if there is anything.
as explained above feint is mental, but uncanny dodge doesn't work that way. it works with instinct, not with well thought actions.
So, you can't use a feint to sneak attack a creature/player with uncanny dodge.

I rest my case...(and my hurting fingers.. correcting gramatical errors is SO annoying)
Callista
01-27-05, 12:45 PM House rule: Characters with Uncanny Dodge get a bonus to Sense Motive checks made to avoid feinting.

Meh. Could work.
Encard
01-27-05, 02:50 PM I would say that feint still causes the character to lose his Dex mod to AC, since it's not one of the things actually listed with Uncanny Dodge, and the wording there seems to limit Uncanny Dodge to those specific things. The Sage has also made that same statement, iirc, although I could be wrong on that.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Ront_The_Barbarian 01-27-05, 12:06 PM	I asked this in the "whats a player to do section and got some advise but I thought I would ask all the dm's out there. My friends and I have been discussing the feint ability...If I unserstand it correctly if you do a feint the character losses his dex bonus...now with this we have a player that will feint and then use sneek attack...(becase of the loss of dex bonus) my question is this If a character has uncanny dodge and retains his dex does that apply to the feint ability even if he losses the bluff check??? We have gone back and forth on this for...I dont know EVER...and I wanted some other insite to the problem. Thank you RONT
HelDM 01-27-05, 12:34 PM	speaking as a rule-lawyer, I would say: "put ranks in the bluff of a rouge and lethim sneak-attack." ahum... What I was planning to say: feint is a sort of skill check. This means that you try to influence your opponent enough to let him/her stand oblivious towards you. It's a bluff check. if it succeeds, it means that the opponent (almost deliberately) ignores you and is unreactive towards you. it's a kind of mental-influence. The uncanny dodge feat says: "this feat gives the creature the ability to react before his senses would normally allow him to do so." this means that he has some sort fo natural reflex to dodge attacks he doesn't see coming. It's kinda like "feeling" eyes burning on your back, and before you know, you look behind you to see if there is anything. as explained above feint is mental, but uncanny dodge doesn't work that way. it works with instinct, not with well thought actions. So, you can't use a feint to sneak attack a creature/player with uncanny dodge. I rest my case...(and my hurting fingers.. correcting gramatical errors is SO annoying)
Callista 01-27-05, 12:45 PM	House rule: Characters with Uncanny Dodge get a bonus to Sense Motive checks made to avoid feinting. Meh. Could work.
Encard 01-27-05, 02:50 PM	I would say that feint still causes the character to lose his Dex mod to AC, since it's not one of the things actually listed with Uncanny Dodge, and the wording there seems to limit Uncanny Dodge to those specific things. The Sage has also made that same statement, iirc, although I could be wrong on that.