A question regarding Eberron [Archive] - Wizards Community

A question regarding Eberron [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Axle
07-13-05, 10:36 PM I'm a new DM. I'll admit that. But in the book the Eberron Campaign Setting, there are feats that give you the ability to reduce the amount of Gold, Time, and Experience it takes to create a magic item. Now, while I'm in full support of this, one of my players is running a character in which he is reducing the costs to ZERO by doing nothing but taking these feats. I don't think this is a legal move, but I need some evidence to support this. Can somebody help me please?
Kintara
07-13-05, 10:57 PM I'm a new DM. I'll admit that. But in the book the Eberron Campaign Setting, there are feats that give you the ability to reduce the amount of Gold, Time, and Experience it takes to create a magic item. Now, while I'm in full support of this, one of my players is running a character in which he is reducing the costs to ZERO by doing nothing but taking these feats. I don't think this is a legal move, but I need some evidence to support this. Can somebody help me please?
Download the errata. Errata is your friend. In short, the table is wrong. You can't take them more than once.

Also, you should probably be posting future Eberron questions on the Eberron boards.
Edymnion
07-13-05, 11:04 PM Yes, the Erratta fixes that.
Even if it didn't, as written it would NOT stack the way the player thinks it does.

It reduces the base cost for that area. First time, its 25% off of 100%. The second time, it would be 25% off of 75%, and so on. Its the law of diminishing returns.
Axle
07-13-05, 11:05 PM Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I was supposed to post it here, since it's a DM question. My bad. Thanks for the heads up. I'm downloading the errata right now.
UltimateReality
07-14-05, 03:00 AM in the book the Eberron Campaign Setting, there are feats that give you the ability to reduce the amount of Gold, Time, and Experience it takes to create a magic item.
FWIW, I allowed these feats for a homebrew setting, but turned them into a feat tree.

Also: whenever the table and text disagree, the text is correct. If you can take a feat multiple times, the text will say "Special: You can take this feat multiple times. Its effects stack."

And finally, Edymnion has it right with the law of diminishing returns thing...otherwise the feats are way too broken.
Lord Ian Stark
07-14-05, 11:26 AM Then again taking 4 feats to make a magical item for free (Gold wise only) is good and bad. You still have the time and EXP issue.

4 feats from a spellcaster can take a long time to achieve and he will be losing out on all the other helpful feats for adventuring. A Human can get these by 6th level. Everyone else would have to wait for 9th level. And no you can't just go fighter as they are not fighter bonus feats.

I don't know. If the guy was an active participant in the game I would just tell him you either adventure with the group or become an NPC and make magic items all day at your lab.

So there may be a little down time in between adventures. To me, that's the only time a PC can actually make a magical item. Since he/she isn't going to be making one while adventuring.

If the PC's say we'll just hang out in town until he can make us all cool free weapons, then I would tell them fine, and have the town attacked or they receive a letter asking for there help and to respond ASAP.
Kintara
07-14-05, 02:33 PM Not only do Artificers get bonus feats (which they can spend on Artisan feats) and free XP for crafting, they can make a Homunculus to finish their crafting for them. You get the Homunculus started in the lab, and they do the rest. AND Artificers get the ability to spend a day with a magic item to reclaim the XP spent to make it. So, yes, free crafting would be broken, even by your standards. Personally, I think you're kind of crazy to think it wouldn't be, even for a Wizard.
Edymnion
07-14-05, 03:17 PM Not to mention that, with the right Artisan feats, they would be able to craft any item instantly, if they actually stacked that way.

"Yeah, my dad was Duncan McCleod, the Highlander. Want me to prove it? Watch me pull a +5 Keen Katana out of my butt!"
*whips out +5 Keen Katana from somewhere behind him*
"See?"
Kintara
07-14-05, 06:20 PM Not to mention that, with the right Artisan feats, they would be able to craft any item instantly, if they actually stacked that way.

"Yeah, my dad was Duncan McCleod, the Highlander. Want me to prove it? Watch me pull a +5 Keen Katana out of my butt!"
*whips out +5 Keen Katana from somewhere behind him*
"See?"
Heh, I could see that being pretty cool, actually, but insane, of course. :D
Liwmial
07-14-05, 08:35 PM What is errata?
Kintara
07-14-05, 08:49 PM What is errata?
Download it for any books you own. (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20040125a) They are rules corrections.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Axle 07-13-05, 10:36 PM	I'm a new DM. I'll admit that. But in the book the Eberron Campaign Setting, there are feats that give you the ability to reduce the amount of Gold, Time, and Experience it takes to create a magic item. Now, while I'm in full support of this, one of my players is running a character in which he is reducing the costs to ZERO by doing nothing but taking these feats. I don't think this is a legal move, but I need some evidence to support this. Can somebody help me please?
Kintara 07-13-05, 10:57 PM	I'm a new DM. I'll admit that. But in the book the Eberron Campaign Setting, there are feats that give you the ability to reduce the amount of Gold, Time, and Experience it takes to create a magic item. Now, while I'm in full support of this, one of my players is running a character in which he is reducing the costs to ZERO by doing nothing but taking these feats. I don't think this is a legal move, but I need some evidence to support this. Can somebody help me please? Download the errata. Errata is your friend. In short, the table is wrong. You can't take them more than once. Also, you should probably be posting future Eberron questions on the Eberron boards.
Edymnion 07-13-05, 11:04 PM	Yes, the Erratta fixes that. Even if it didn't, as written it would NOT stack the way the player thinks it does. It reduces the base cost for that area. First time, its 25% off of 100%. The second time, it would be 25% off of 75%, and so on. Its the law of diminishing returns.
Axle 07-13-05, 11:05 PM	Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I was supposed to post it here, since it's a DM question. My bad. Thanks for the heads up. I'm downloading the errata right now.
UltimateReality 07-14-05, 03:00 AM	in the book the Eberron Campaign Setting, there are feats that give you the ability to reduce the amount of Gold, Time, and Experience it takes to create a magic item. FWIW, I allowed these feats for a homebrew setting, but turned them into a feat tree. Also: whenever the table and text disagree, the text is correct. If you can take a feat multiple times, the text will say "Special: You can take this feat multiple times. Its effects stack." And finally, Edymnion has it right with the law of diminishing returns thing...otherwise the feats are way too broken.
Lord Ian Stark 07-14-05, 11:26 AM	Then again taking 4 feats to make a magical item for free (Gold wise only) is good and bad. You still have the time and EXP issue. 4 feats from a spellcaster can take a long time to achieve and he will be losing out on all the other helpful feats for adventuring. A Human can get these by 6th level. Everyone else would have to wait for 9th level. And no you can't just go fighter as they are not fighter bonus feats. I don't know. If the guy was an active participant in the game I would just tell him you either adventure with the group or become an NPC and make magic items all day at your lab. So there may be a little down time in between adventures. To me, that's the only time a PC can actually make a magical item. Since he/she isn't going to be making one while adventuring. If the PC's say we'll just hang out in town until he can make us all cool free weapons, then I would tell them fine, and have the town attacked or they receive a letter asking for there help and to respond ASAP.
Kintara 07-14-05, 02:33 PM	Not only do Artificers get bonus feats (which they can spend on Artisan feats) and free XP for crafting, they can make a Homunculus to finish their crafting for them. You get the Homunculus started in the lab, and they do the rest. AND Artificers get the ability to spend a day with a magic item to reclaim the XP spent to make it. So, yes, free crafting would be broken, even by your standards. Personally, I think you're kind of crazy to think it wouldn't be, even for a Wizard.
Edymnion 07-14-05, 03:17 PM	Not to mention that, with the right Artisan feats, they would be able to craft any item instantly, if they actually stacked that way. "Yeah, my dad was Duncan McCleod, the Highlander. Want me to prove it? Watch me pull a +5 Keen Katana out of my butt!" whips out +5 Keen Katana from somewhere behind him "See?"
Kintara 07-14-05, 06:20 PM	Not to mention that, with the right Artisan feats, they would be able to craft any item instantly, if they actually stacked that way. "Yeah, my dad was Duncan McCleod, the Highlander. Want me to prove it? Watch me pull a +5 Keen Katana out of my butt!" whips out +5 Keen Katana from somewhere behind him "See?" Heh, I could see that being pretty cool, actually, but insane, of course. :D
Liwmial 07-14-05, 08:35 PM	What is errata?
Kintara 07-14-05, 08:49 PM	What is errata? Download it for any books you own. (http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20040125a) They are rules corrections.