Aargh, help me out here... [Archive] - Wizards Community

Aargh, help me out here... [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Sneasel
05-27-05, 10:08 PM Okay, you may remember a topic a few weeks back about my cowardly fighter, greedy cleric, melee-attacking wizard and goody two-shoes rogue. Well, I've spoke to them and have sorted out their problems for the most part. Well, I'd said that I have a new PC joining this week, another elven wizard whose player is named Cookie. Now, my younger brother, Marc, has also decided to join the group. Problem is, noone likes Marc. nd to complicate matters, the fighter (Boswell)wants one of his friends,Wendy, to join. I personally don't know her, and from what I've gethered, she's a demonic crackheaded *****. :/

Okay, first off we'll discuss Cookie. He's a good friend of mine, and two of the other PCs have met him and they both think he's pretty cool. SO I figured he'd fit in perfecly. I'd decided about a month ago that he'd join. Well, Boswell has decided that he wants Wendy to join. Like I said, I don't know her and from what I've heard she isn't my sort of person. So Boswell's getting ****** because I won't let Wendy join, but Cookie will. He's saying that it's not fair that I won't let her join because she has experience playing D&D.

Now for Marc. Like I said, none of my PCs like Marc. They've described him as 'a clone of me, but twice as big and a thousand times more obnoxious'. And that pretty much sums him up. He sometimes sits in on our D&D sessions just to be obnoxious and **** off the PCs. So naturally no one wants him to join. And neither do I. Only problem is, he's a major suck-up to my dad. And unfortunately, being 15 and living with my parents, their word is law. So I'm stuck having my brother be a PC and have everyone treat him fairly, while he's being stupid and annoyuing the whol while...

So any advice whatsoever? Input is appreciated.
Guy Humual
05-27-05, 11:40 PM So any advice whatsoever? Input is appreciated.
Let them join. Your brother sounds like he genuinely wants to play. I know little brothers can be annoying, I had one once myself (he's not so little anymore), you'll have a better chance of stopping him from annoying your friends if he feels included in the group. You'll have to trust me on this one, letting your brother play is a good call, one day you may thank me.

Now as to this “wendy”, a young woman whom you don't know, who you are planing to exclude because you heard from someone that she's a "demonic crackheaded *****". Again, my advice is simple, let her join, she may not be the crack-head you heard she was. Who knows? She may even be a good addition to your group. Telling your friend she can't join without a proper excuse really isn't worth the grief it will cause the two of you. If she's a total freak then you may have a proper excuse to remove her.

The good thing about letting your friends bring new people is that if you ever want to add someone to your group your friends can’t object because you’ve always allowed them to bring new people.
Meisterbrau
05-27-05, 11:53 PM I tend to give all takers at least one shot at my game unless were allready full up. I tend to play with around 6 players (not including me) so I usually have a spot or two open. If the player dosent work out they are politely told so and they dont bother coming back. Really simple.
VerinBlod
05-28-05, 04:44 AM Let them join your game. If things don't work out you at least have good reasons to kick them out again. Not letting someone join because you've heard something about her isn't going to be a good argument against your friend.
Szat
05-28-05, 05:45 AM Some of the most annoying people I've met have made some of the most amazing characters I've ever DM'ed. Likewise people that I've been hesitant to allow to play have sometimes shocked me. This isn't always the case but I base my decisions on the "innocent until proven guilty" belief.
SneakyPetey
05-28-05, 08:23 AM I agree with those who said "let them join."

I've been running a campaign since 1993 [here I go again], and I've seen players and characters come and go. I haven't always liked all the players in our campaign, but I've tolerated them for the sake of the group. Especially when a player really wants to bring a friend into the group.

You are the DM, but you should remember that you are only one member of a group of gamers. (Albeit, an important member said group!) If you want to get along for a goodly period of time, sometimes you're going to have to give concessions to the others in your group.

If it makes you feel any better I have noticed that, over time, players who don't fit it well with everyone in the group tend to drop out after a while. It may be years, but when there's a "group within the group," it's hard to be on the outside looking in.

If you do let them join, be sure to treat them (and their characters) fairly. If you don't, you may irritate everyone in the party/group.

I hope this helps!
Liwmial
05-28-05, 09:53 AM I'd say let them all in to start, and watch for any conflicts - which should be easy to spot since you know all but one of these people.

If the game cannot be played wwith the group as is, and you are reluctant to kick some one ... you may consider running two groups of three (think I did my math correct there.) Anyways. Try setting up two groups that are matched personality wise ... or just kick the person you do not know right off - and work on integrating your brother. Good luck!
Ni!
05-28-05, 06:37 PM Now for Marc. Like I said, none of my PCs like Marc. They've described him as 'a clone of me, but twice as big and a thousand times more obnoxious'. And that pretty much sums him up. He sometimes sits in on our D&D sessions just to be obnoxious and **** off the PCs. So naturally no one wants him to join. And neither do I. Only problem is, he's a major suck-up to my dad. And unfortunately, being 15 and living with my parents, their word is law. So I'm stuck having my brother be a PC and have everyone treat him fairly, while he's being stupid and annoyuing the whol while...

What do your other players think of Wendy? If they want her to join, let her. She may be less of a "demonic crackheaded *****" than you have heard.
However, don't let Marc join. Your parents word about D&D will be law when they are DM. Maybe someone else could DM for a session or two. Sorry, its out of your hands now, its not your decision to let him join or not.
Sneasel
05-28-05, 07:00 PM Well, all three of them joined the session today for a grand total of 7 people, more than I've ever DM'd before. Like I'd expected, Wendy was one of those 'but my old DM did this/let me do this...' people. She constantly complained and talked out of game excessively. She won't be back. As for my brother, he was far too quiet. He'd rarely ever input. So I made the PCs take a vote, and they voted for him to not play any more. So I'm at a nice group of 5 now.

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Sneasel 05-27-05, 10:08 PM	Okay, you may remember a topic a few weeks back about my cowardly fighter, greedy cleric, melee-attacking wizard and goody two-shoes rogue. Well, I've spoke to them and have sorted out their problems for the most part. Well, I'd said that I have a new PC joining this week, another elven wizard whose player is named Cookie. Now, my younger brother, Marc, has also decided to join the group. Problem is, noone likes Marc. nd to complicate matters, the fighter (Boswell)wants one of his friends,Wendy, to join. I personally don't know her, and from what I've gethered, she's a demonic crackheaded ***. :/ Okay, first off we'll discuss Cookie. He's a good friend of mine, and two of the other PCs have met him and they both think he's pretty cool. SO I figured he'd fit in perfecly. I'd decided about a month ago that he'd join. Well, Boswell has decided that he wants Wendy to join. Like I said, I don't know her and from what I've heard she isn't my sort of person. So Boswell's getting ** because I won't let Wendy join, but Cookie will. He's saying that it's not fair that I won't let her join because she has experience playing D&D. Now for Marc. Like I said, none of my PCs like Marc. They've described him as 'a clone of me, but twice as big and a thousand times more obnoxious'. And that pretty much sums him up. He sometimes sits in on our D&D sessions just to be obnoxious and ** off the PCs. So naturally no one wants him to join. And neither do I. Only problem is, he's a major suck-up to my dad. And unfortunately, being 15 and living with my parents, their word is law. So I'm stuck having my brother be a PC and have everyone treat him fairly, while he's being stupid and annoyuing the whol while... So any advice whatsoever? Input is appreciated.
Guy Humual 05-27-05, 11:40 PM	So any advice whatsoever? Input is appreciated. Let them join. Your brother sounds like he genuinely wants to play. I know little brothers can be annoying, I had one once myself (he's not so little anymore), you'll have a better chance of stopping him from annoying your friends if he feels included in the group. You'll have to trust me on this one, letting your brother play is a good call, one day you may thank me. Now as to this “wendy”, a young woman whom you don't know, who you are planing to exclude because you heard from someone that she's a "demonic crackheaded *****". Again, my advice is simple, let her join, she may not be the crack-head you heard she was. Who knows? She may even be a good addition to your group. Telling your friend she can't join without a proper excuse really isn't worth the grief it will cause the two of you. If she's a total freak then you may have a proper excuse to remove her. The good thing about letting your friends bring new people is that if you ever want to add someone to your group your friends can’t object because you’ve always allowed them to bring new people.
Meisterbrau 05-27-05, 11:53 PM	I tend to give all takers at least one shot at my game unless were allready full up. I tend to play with around 6 players (not including me) so I usually have a spot or two open. If the player dosent work out they are politely told so and they dont bother coming back. Really simple.
VerinBlod 05-28-05, 04:44 AM	Let them join your game. If things don't work out you at least have good reasons to kick them out again. Not letting someone join because you've heard something about her isn't going to be a good argument against your friend.
Szat 05-28-05, 05:45 AM	Some of the most annoying people I've met have made some of the most amazing characters I've ever DM'ed. Likewise people that I've been hesitant to allow to play have sometimes shocked me. This isn't always the case but I base my decisions on the "innocent until proven guilty" belief.
SneakyPetey 05-28-05, 08:23 AM	I agree with those who said "let them join." I've been running a campaign since 1993 [here I go again], and I've seen players and characters come and go. I haven't always liked all the players in our campaign, but I've tolerated them for the sake of the group. Especially when a player really wants to bring a friend into the group. You are the DM, but you should remember that you are only one member of a group of gamers. (Albeit, an important member said group!) If you want to get along for a goodly period of time, sometimes you're going to have to give concessions to the others in your group. If it makes you feel any better I have noticed that, over time, players who don't fit it well with everyone in the group tend to drop out after a while. It may be years, but when there's a "group within the group," it's hard to be on the outside looking in. If you do let them join, be sure to treat them (and their characters) fairly. If you don't, you may irritate everyone in the party/group. I hope this helps!
Liwmial 05-28-05, 09:53 AM	I'd say let them all in to start, and watch for any conflicts - which should be easy to spot since you know all but one of these people. If the game cannot be played wwith the group as is, and you are reluctant to kick some one ... you may consider running two groups of three (think I did my math correct there.) Anyways. Try setting up two groups that are matched personality wise ... or just kick the person you do not know right off - and work on integrating your brother. Good luck!
Ni! 05-28-05, 06:37 PM	Now for Marc. Like I said, none of my PCs like Marc. They've described him as 'a clone of me, but twice as big and a thousand times more obnoxious'. And that pretty much sums him up. He sometimes sits in on our D&D sessions just to be obnoxious and ** off the PCs. So naturally no one wants him to join. And neither do I. Only problem is, he's a major suck-up to my dad. And unfortunately, being 15 and living with my parents, their word is law. So I'm stuck having my brother be a PC and have everyone treat him fairly, while he's being stupid and annoyuing the whol while... What do your other players think of Wendy? If they want her to join, let her. She may be less of a "demonic crackheaded ***" than you have heard. However, don't let Marc join. Your parents word about D&D will be law when they are DM. Maybe someone else could DM for a session or two. Sorry, its out of your hands now, its not your decision to let him join or not.
Sneasel 05-28-05, 07:00 PM	Well, all three of them joined the session today for a grand total of 7 people, more than I've ever DM'd before. Like I'd expected, Wendy was one of those 'but my old DM did this/let me do this...' people. She constantly complained and talked out of game excessively. She won't be back. As for my brother, he was far too quiet. He'd rarely ever input. So I made the PCs take a vote, and they voted for him to not play any more. So I'm at a nice group of 5 now.