Alternate base stats for skills [Archive] - Wizards Community

Alternate base stats for skills [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
The Colonel
06-12-06, 06:39 PM Now this may be a mong question, but where do I find rules for changing base stats for some skills (or would I need to houserule it?)?

Case in point:
NPC Awakened flesh golem ... wanted to give him a high Intimidate score (would you argue with an 8' tall bloke you can't injure?) but since he has the CHA of a wet sock it looks hopleless ... and a bit odd. Ideas?
Venenum
06-12-06, 06:43 PM You have to house rule it. But i would use his str.
The man they call Boxhead
06-12-06, 06:46 PM I'd probably still use his CHA, but you can always give it a racial bonus to that skill, +8 or so ought to make it worthwhile.
Azezel
06-13-06, 01:09 AM Yes - Boxhead is right - this is Racial Bonus territory.

Either that or you could give it a special ability,

Fearsome (Ex): All creatures within 30' with an INT of 3 or more must make a Will save Vs DC (Golem's HD) or be intimidated.

That's just off the top of my head use it if you like.
tsuyoshikentsu
06-13-06, 01:14 AM Here's what I do.

If you ahve a negative CHA mod, apply it inversely to Intimidate.
Androcus Divinicus
06-13-06, 03:41 AM Here's what I do.

If you ahve a negative CHA mod, apply it inversely to Intimidate.

Yeah ... I don't do that. Personally, I second the suggestions made byBoxhead and Azezel.

Regards,
Justin
Witch
06-13-06, 03:43 AM I'd go with Boxheads one.
A negative charisma makes you less impressive, not more-so.
rogue_lettuce
06-13-06, 04:25 AM There's a feat that lets you apply Str to Intmdte. Take that for it. Or give it as a racial bonus feat.
WayneTheGame
06-13-06, 07:19 AM Just houserule it. My DM allows us to use different stats for skills depending on the situation.. e.g. if I am trying to strong-arm somebody (Intimidate) I can use my STR modifier instead of CHA because I'm using threats, not force of will. We have to come up with a good reason to justify it, of course, but if it is reasonable he will let us without any problem.
Azezel
06-13-06, 08:03 AM Threatening someone is Charisma dependent. Now - if you used your Strength to pick soneone up by their shirtfront and hold them against the wall - that would allow your Strength to give you a +2 circumstance modifier to your Intimidate check - but Intimidate, even in the form of a threat is still Charisma dependant.

It doesn't matter how stong you are - if you cannot express yourself in a forthright and forceful mannner (CHA) then you will not frighten anyone.
wrecan
06-13-06, 08:45 AM You could house-rule that size modifiers apply to Intimidate checks. That would better reflect a gargantuan red dragon's intimidation factor vis-a-vis a tiny grig's intimidation factor.

Hmm... that idea has some merit. I might adopt that as a house rule.
Nom
06-13-06, 07:59 PM Or you could read PH pg 76 and discover that the Intimidate rules already assign a +/-4 modifier for each size category.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
The Colonel 06-12-06, 06:39 PM	Now this may be a mong question, but where do I find rules for changing base stats for some skills (or would I need to houserule it?)? Case in point: NPC Awakened flesh golem ... wanted to give him a high Intimidate score (would you argue with an 8' tall bloke you can't injure?) but since he has the CHA of a wet sock it looks hopleless ... and a bit odd. Ideas?
Venenum 06-12-06, 06:43 PM	You have to house rule it. But i would use his str.
The man they call Boxhead 06-12-06, 06:46 PM	I'd probably still use his CHA, but you can always give it a racial bonus to that skill, +8 or so ought to make it worthwhile.
Azezel 06-13-06, 01:09 AM	Yes - Boxhead is right - this is Racial Bonus territory. Either that or you could give it a special ability, Fearsome (Ex): All creatures within 30' with an INT of 3 or more must make a Will save Vs DC (Golem's HD) or be intimidated. That's just off the top of my head use it if you like.
tsuyoshikentsu 06-13-06, 01:14 AM	Here's what I do. If you ahve a negative CHA mod, apply it inversely to Intimidate.
Androcus Divinicus 06-13-06, 03:41 AM	Here's what I do. If you ahve a negative CHA mod, apply it inversely to Intimidate. Yeah ... I don't do that. Personally, I second the suggestions made byBoxhead and Azezel. Regards, Justin
Witch 06-13-06, 03:43 AM	I'd go with Boxheads one. A negative charisma makes you less impressive, not more-so.
rogue_lettuce 06-13-06, 04:25 AM	There's a feat that lets you apply Str to Intmdte. Take that for it. Or give it as a racial bonus feat.
WayneTheGame 06-13-06, 07:19 AM	Just houserule it. My DM allows us to use different stats for skills depending on the situation.. e.g. if I am trying to strong-arm somebody (Intimidate) I can use my STR modifier instead of CHA because I'm using threats, not force of will. We have to come up with a good reason to justify it, of course, but if it is reasonable he will let us without any problem.
Azezel 06-13-06, 08:03 AM	Threatening someone is Charisma dependent. Now - if you used your Strength to pick soneone up by their shirtfront and hold them against the wall - that would allow your Strength to give you a +2 circumstance modifier to your Intimidate check - but Intimidate, even in the form of a threat is still Charisma dependant. It doesn't matter how stong you are - if you cannot express yourself in a forthright and forceful mannner (CHA) then you will not frighten anyone.
wrecan 06-13-06, 08:45 AM	You could house-rule that size modifiers apply to Intimidate checks. That would better reflect a gargantuan red dragon's intimidation factor vis-a-vis a tiny grig's intimidation factor. Hmm... that idea has some merit. I might adopt that as a house rule.
Nom 06-13-06, 07:59 PM	Or you could read PH pg 76 and discover that the Intimidate rules already assign a +/-4 modifier for each size category.