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Secrets Untold 10-26-05, 08:12 PM	Do you have villian problems? Do your PCs destroy an "immortal" villian? Please post away, and I'll try to help you. But remember, I'm only human (well, not really...) so any other people willing to help would be helpful. So with out further ado...LETS START THIS!!!
tiercel 10-26-05, 10:12 PM	Getting someone to cast clone: 2250 gp (plus 1 cubic inch of flesh, ouch!) Getting a minion to watch over your clone-body, and keep it fresh in a remote location through the use of gentle repose: Leadership feat Automatically being restored from the dead, plotting revenge, and taking murderous would-be Heroes by surprise for sweet, sweet vengeance: priceless
Jancarius 10-27-05, 01:45 AM	One of my players had an interesting idea for a Epic plot. I have an Epic Elemental Savant/Archmage/Wizard character (total level 25). I rolled him up both to show what the eventual goal of my character was to be, and for an Epic pvp rumble among me and my friends. His ONE glaring weakness is that he is an elemental. So I'm always worried some cleric with the Air domain or Earth domain will show up and I won't have 'Positive Energy Protection' cast (Actually, I don't know that there is any spell that protects against being turned/turning. If there is, someone let me know). Anyway, point was that the Cleric would somehow succeed in making a Greater Rebuking, gaining control over my Epic Wizard. As there is, as far as I know, no time limit on the control gained through a cleric's turning, this would rather infuriate the Epic Wizard (afterall, he's an Epic Wizard. Having some cleric boss him around would **** him off righteous). So then the Cleric has a 70 Int or so Wizard trying to find ways to get him killed while still making use of him. So take a varient of this. A high level cleric casts True Ressurection on some long dead (whatever level) wizard and uses a turning to gain control of him. The cleric begins using the wizard as a front to accomplish <nefarious goal>. The party not only has to deal with the 'evil imitator of <wizard>' who little do they know is actually the wizard himself, but figure out the wizard is not actually responsible, and then track down and destroy the cleric (with the Wizard helping as much as possible without directly contradicting orders)
Toby 10-27-05, 04:47 AM	WOW the whole puppet master idea, i'm totally ripping that off and displaying it as my own! :D
digoraccoon 10-27-05, 08:40 AM	One of my friends suggested to me that the BBEG make a Will and then secretly inscribe a True Ressurection spell on there with the contigency to ressurect the BBEG right there when the Will is read. :D The thought of that is funny. Lawyer: "And so Lord Dark McEvilGuy bequiths to you, his loyal minions..." BBEG: *PooF* "Nothing! I give you all nothing you losers! You were supposed to protect me from those heroes and what did you do? You let me get blasted by that elf lovin' wizard with the maximused fireball!"
Mysticaloctopus 10-27-05, 09:11 AM	Lichdom, when they don't realise it. I love gnome liches. Nobody suspects gnomes of being the BBEG. Sure, the hot elf babe they rescued came under suspicion from a very well played hot draconic human cleric of Aasterinian, and the party gnome, but the gnome? Nobody suspected him! at all! So, have the gnome's apprentice pretend to be the master, act like the gnome is a hostage, and then... :evillaugh
CzarGarrett 10-27-05, 10:27 AM	I don't try to go for Immortal Villans per se. If they aren't supposed to die, the players won't be able to kill him/her. If they can die, they will. Reincarnate is a bit of an issue, but due to the whole 'new body' thing, I tend to alter the BBEG some, so they aren't quite the same as before.
Morka 10-27-05, 01:04 PM	Getting someone to cast clone: 2250 gp (plus 1 cubic inch of flesh, ouch!) Getting a minion to watch over your clone-body, and keep it fresh in a remote location through the use of gentle repose: Leadership feat Automatically being restored from the dead, plotting revenge, and taking murderous would-be Heroes by surprise for sweet, sweet vengeance: priceless Bob Morane, a French adventurer, is based on that. Not him, he is the hero, but the BBEG, called the Yellow Shadow. This guy found a way to clone his body hundreds of times, and let the clones in a dormance state. Whenever he was killed, one of the clone was activated. But with memories stopping when he was cloned, so the new clone never knew the last plan his predecessor was trying, nor why it failed. This way, he never restarted the same plan twice. That was a good reason to see a whole serie of novels with the BBEG always dying at the end, and returning with a new plan for the next novel. Another idea could be to make demons and devils the soul of evil persons. Sure they are, but in the actual rules, their memories are wiped out. Imagine killing an evil wizard as your first BBEG, then hunting him down as a lich, and then hunting him down as a Pit Fiend...
MasterRookie 10-27-05, 01:59 PM	I've got thoughts. Undead with amulets of negative energy. Had it in a previous game as long as the villain is left disabled but not dead (its especially hard to tell with skeletons) the ammulet will bring them back. Plus if your PC's put them on it hurts them. A Seymore type character with some symbiotic connection to an undead being which keeps him "alive". Vampires work
JLaurHughes 10-27-05, 03:08 PM	A behind the scene villian works the best in situations where you want the BBEG to be brought back. I like the one approach that Morka mentioned, but it's been done in a few other novels. Bringing a badguy back from the dead gets harder to do each time he/she is killed. So make the BBEG an anti-villian/anti-hero type, helps the party out in small ways, while putting the party up against his own minions, making them out to be the BBEG instead. I like this approach, it keeps the true villian under a cloak of protection while he/she weeds out the weaker of his/her minions against the party then ends up going against the party in a battle royale where neither side should win or lose unless they're lucky. Know your PC's, there's something to be said about that when you're making a villian who shouldn't be killed too early. One other approach, have the BBEG's soul trapped in one of the PC's weapons without the PC's knowing and pass short notes to the PC who's weapon youe BBEG is possessing, like little evil whispers.