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alex1 12-23-04, 05:33 PM	K I've searched the site for this answer but just wanna make sure I'm understanding this right. Provoking an Attack of Opportunity: Two kinds of actions can provoke attacks of opportunity: moving out of a threatened square and performing an action within a threatened square. Moving: Moving out of a threatened square usually provokes an attack of opportunity from the threatening opponent. There are two common methods of avoiding such an attack—the 5-foot-step and the withdraw action (see below). If this is the case wouldn't ALL movement out any combat be considered WITHDRAW?? So Joe the Warrior decides to move out of the area. He moves 30feet says he's withdrawing no AOO to Joe. Jan the Warrior decideds to move out of the area. She moves back 30 feet she takes AOO. So the question is aren't all movements out of a threaten areas Withdraws?? Or fight defensively then move 30ft then run. So no AOO?? Also for some reason my players think any time an orc moves up to attack them they get an AOO. Which they don't am I right on this? And Quick Draw worthless feat? I mean taking out a sword is a free action for any with +1 base attack which is pretty much everyone past lvl 2. Worthless feat? So why bother taking it if drawing a weapon is a free action?
clarkvalentine 12-23-04, 05:48 PM	So Joe the Warrior decides to move out of the area. He moves 30feet says he's withdrawing no AOO to Joe. Jan the Warrior decideds to move out of the area. She moves back 30 feet she takes AOO. So the question is aren't all movements out of a threaten areas Withdraws?? If you're withdrawing, that's all you can do - you can't back off 30 feet and shoot an arrow, or cast a spell, etc. Which they don't am I right on this? Right. You don't get an AoO when someone moves into a square you threaten - just when they move OUT of a square you threaten, unless they've declared a withdrawal. And Quick Draw worthless feat? I mean taking out a sword is a free action for any with +1 base attack which is pretty much everyone past lvl 2. No, drawing a weapon is free if you combine it with a move action - meaning you can walk and draw your sword at the same time. If you're standing next to a bad guy, you still have to burn your move action to draw your sword, so you can't make a full attack. Quick Draw allows you to draw the weapon for free, and thus even if you start the round with your weapon sheathed, you can still make a full attack. Quick Draw isn't as handy for someone with only one attack, but is very powerful indeed if you have a BAB above +5.
ManinDarkness 12-23-04, 05:49 PM	Withdrawing occurs only when the only thing you do in the round is a double move, unless the type of movement provokes AOO. Draing a weapon is a free action as a part of a movement action if the attack bonus is +1 or more, i. e. you need to take a move action to be able to draw your weapon without the feat. If your attack bonus is +0 then you need to take a move action to draw and a move action to move.
True Archon 12-24-04, 05:54 AM	Withdraw is a full-round action. Nothing else can be performed for leaving a threatened area safely. Quick draw helps with the surprise round, where only a standard action is available. Imagine if you're the fighter of the group, you're the only one who is not surprised by the enemy sorcerer that just walked around the corner, and you can't quick draw your bow and let loose an arrow before any attacks are made. Quick draw is also good when you start combat with a range weapon (like a bow), and the enemy advances right up to you. On your turn, you can drop your ranged weapon, draw your sword, and make a full attack. I've had many a time when I've been without quick draw, and would have liked having it at the time (I still don't get it usually, I'm willing to accept the loss).
Mister Mayhem 12-24-04, 12:29 PM	Quickdraw is also useful if you want to make multiple attacks with thrown weapons other than Shuriken. Or want to throw a weapon and still be armed at the end of the round.
Farland 12-24-04, 07:39 PM	Quick draw is also very useful in switching weapons, like from a bow to a sword.