Are there rules for Strangling an emeny? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Are there rules for Strangling an emeny? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Worshiper_of_Moradin
08-20-07, 05:38 PM I'm planning doing an game that is going to envolve infiltration and most of the players are playing Metal Gear Soild now so I will expect them to try it. <.< Are there any rules on sneaking up behind someone and doing that? Should I just use the rules for suffocation with a strengh check to make sure they can hold em?
Stormbrand
08-20-07, 05:48 PM Well much of what Snake does is snap their necks, so you could allow Sneak Attack damage when grappling from surprise. Strangleholds could simply be the subdual version. Perhaps require Improved Unarmed Strike or something similar for those techniques.
wrecan
08-20-07, 06:01 PM Strangling is one of those things that runs headlong into the abstract nature of the hit point system, much like called shots.

The closest the ruels come is grappling, followed by a pin (invoking the "can't speak option"), followed by nonlethal damage until your target is unconscious.

If you attack with surprise from an adjacent square, you can begin the grapple on the surprise round, pin (and silence) him if you win initiative, and then strangle him as long as he doesn't beat your grapple checks. Once he's unconscious, finish the strangle with a full-round coup de grace.

Such a character would want high initiative, high Strength, high Hide and Move Silently (and thus High Dex). Monk with the Stealthy and Power Attack Feats is ideal for this tactic.
Vharuck
08-20-07, 06:04 PM Good rules to use in order to represent suffocation are rules for drowning.

But I would require a successful pin to start it, at the least.
bane_of_cuthbert
08-20-07, 06:06 PM The 3.0 book Song and Silence has rules for using a garrot which could be adapted to 3.5 if nessessary. I'd assume the rules for using your bare hands would be much the same but deal less damage (or whatever garroting does, I don't have the book in front of me).
dknight100
08-20-07, 06:19 PM one way to mimic it would be to use the suffocation rules, except that the character does not get to take a breath before starting - i.e. they dont get a number of rounds = 2x con mod before starting to drown, instead they have to start making saves immediately.
Heros_Backpack
08-20-07, 06:20 PM The rules for strangulation and garroting were updated to 3.5 in Dragon 355 - it basically works as an extra option during a grapple, and an opponent can hold their breath for up to 2 rounds x Con modifier (iirc). After that they follow the drowning/suffocation rules (drop to 0 etc).
Zerchai
08-20-07, 11:03 PM I feel a special shout-out to the Reaping Mauler prestige class is in order here (Complete Warrior). I don't have the book right in front of me, but one of their class features is a strangle hold that basically says if you pin an opponent for three consecutive rounds, they die.
Dragonsblood
08-21-07, 02:01 AM Move silently and grapple damage. If they cause enough grapple damage to knock the guy unconscious, flavor the attack by saying they strangled the NPC.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Worshiper_of_Moradin 08-20-07, 05:38 PM	I'm planning doing an game that is going to envolve infiltration and most of the players are playing Metal Gear Soild now so I will expect them to try it. <.< Are there any rules on sneaking up behind someone and doing that? Should I just use the rules for suffocation with a strengh check to make sure they can hold em?
Stormbrand 08-20-07, 05:48 PM	Well much of what Snake does is snap their necks, so you could allow Sneak Attack damage when grappling from surprise. Strangleholds could simply be the subdual version. Perhaps require Improved Unarmed Strike or something similar for those techniques.
wrecan 08-20-07, 06:01 PM	Strangling is one of those things that runs headlong into the abstract nature of the hit point system, much like called shots. The closest the ruels come is grappling, followed by a pin (invoking the "can't speak option"), followed by nonlethal damage until your target is unconscious. If you attack with surprise from an adjacent square, you can begin the grapple on the surprise round, pin (and silence) him if you win initiative, and then strangle him as long as he doesn't beat your grapple checks. Once he's unconscious, finish the strangle with a full-round coup de grace. Such a character would want high initiative, high Strength, high Hide and Move Silently (and thus High Dex). Monk with the Stealthy and Power Attack Feats is ideal for this tactic.
Vharuck 08-20-07, 06:04 PM	Good rules to use in order to represent suffocation are rules for drowning. But I would require a successful pin to start it, at the least.
bane_of_cuthbert 08-20-07, 06:06 PM	The 3.0 book Song and Silence has rules for using a garrot which could be adapted to 3.5 if nessessary. I'd assume the rules for using your bare hands would be much the same but deal less damage (or whatever garroting does, I don't have the book in front of me).
dknight100 08-20-07, 06:19 PM	one way to mimic it would be to use the suffocation rules, except that the character does not get to take a breath before starting - i.e. they dont get a number of rounds = 2x con mod before starting to drown, instead they have to start making saves immediately.
Heros_Backpack 08-20-07, 06:20 PM	The rules for strangulation and garroting were updated to 3.5 in Dragon 355 - it basically works as an extra option during a grapple, and an opponent can hold their breath for up to 2 rounds x Con modifier (iirc). After that they follow the drowning/suffocation rules (drop to 0 etc).
Zerchai 08-20-07, 11:03 PM	I feel a special shout-out to the Reaping Mauler prestige class is in order here (Complete Warrior). I don't have the book right in front of me, but one of their class features is a strangle hold that basically says if you pin an opponent for three consecutive rounds, they die.
Dragonsblood 08-21-07, 02:01 AM	Move silently and grapple damage. If they cause enough grapple damage to knock the guy unconscious, flavor the attack by saying they strangled the NPC.