attacks of oppertunity incuring attacks of oppertinuty [Archive] - Wizards Community

attacks of oppertunity incuring attacks of oppertinuty [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Golden Zealot
09-08-06, 08:55 PM What happens if, as an attack of oppertunity, you make an attack which normally provokes an attack of oppertunity, such as an unarmed strike?
Ogmug
09-08-06, 09:02 PM The other particpant gets to make an AoO, which may negate your AoO

Example>

Two monks stand toe to toe. Monk 1 tries to trip Monk 2. This invokes an AoO from monk 2. Monk 2 tries to trip Monk 1, which invokes the same. this an be continued ad nauseum, at least till they reach the limit of their combat reflexes. Remember, AoO can only be taken for 1 action normally, and with combat reflexes upto the limit imposed by the dex modifier.

It then resolves with the last in, first out stack. If the Monk 2 got the last "trip" in and succeeds in tripping monk 1, the rest "never occurs" and monk 1 is tripped. If Monk 2 fails to trip, then monk 1's AoO goes off, and if successful the rest never occurs.
Comus
09-08-06, 09:02 PM What happens if, as an attack of oppertunity, you make an attack which normally provokes an attack of oppertunity, such as an unarmed strike?

You can't, as far as I know, make an attack of opportunity unarmed - at least without the Improved Unarmed Strike feat. Otherwise, I'd assume it'd be resolved as normal.
Ogmug
09-08-06, 09:04 PM You can't, as far as I know, make an attack of opportunity unarmed - at least without the Improved Unarmed Strike feat. Otherwise, I'd assume it'd be resolved as normal.

Very true. I took it the other route and assumed the feat (see what i get for skimming?)
LCD2YOU
09-08-06, 09:07 PM Monks start out with improved unarmed strike so the two monls facing each other doesn't go.

As for two Mages standing toe to toe with no combat feats, that would be so freaking funny, but I digress and Comus is correct.
Free1983
09-08-06, 09:28 PM But what if your enemy is moving through your threatened squares and you are wielding a bow. Your enemy gives you the chance to make an attack of opportunity, but you give your enemy the same chance by doing this with a bow. (and let's presume that the enemy has a big mean greataxe).

what happens now?
Comus
09-08-06, 09:30 PM But what if your enemy is moving through your threatened squares and you are wielding a bow. Your enemy gives you the chance to make an attack of opportunity, but you give your enemy the same chance by doing this with a bow. (and let's presume that the enemy has a big mean greataxe).

what happens now?

You can't make AOO with a ranged weapon, normally.
ressurrector
09-08-06, 10:11 PM You do not threaten with either a basic unarmed strike (gauntlets and Improved unarmed strike allow you to threaten) or a ranged weapon.
You only can take an AoO with a melee weapon generally, and these do not provoke AoO's.

Note: there are some spells/abilities that allow you to threaten with either a ranged weapon or an unarmed strike, in most if not all cases the ability/feat also states you no longer provoke AoOs for firing into melee/using an unarmed strike.

You can only make an AoO with a weapon that threatens the area that the AoO occurs in.
Thubby
09-08-06, 10:29 PM You do not threaten with either a basic unarmed strike (gauntlets and Improved unarmed strike allow you to threaten) or a ranged weapon.
You only can take an AoO with a melee weapon generally, and these do not provoke AoO's.

Note: there are some spells/abilities that allow you to threaten with either a ranged weapon or an unarmed strike, in most if not all cases the ability/feat also states you no longer provoke AoOs for firing into melee/using an unarmed strike.

You can only make an AoO with a weapon that threatens the area that the AoO occurs in.
and that, my friend, is why ranged people should be always where spiked armor
oh, and as far as the AoO goes, you can get aoo's on aoo', like the first poster said, but not with unarmed specificaly
Ogmug
09-08-06, 10:44 PM while two monks do not incur AoO for unarmed strikes, the DO incur AoO for trip attempts if they do not possess the improved trip feat. Same for grapple, and disarm.

So the example holds true for the situation I set up, but does not hold water with regards to the OP's question.
ressurrector
09-09-06, 12:34 AM and that, my friend, is why ranged people should be always where spiked armor
oh, and as far as the AoO goes, you can get aoo's on aoo', like the first poster said, but not with unarmed specificaly
Unfortunately, you do not threaten with spiked armor, since it does damage only when you grapple.
A gauntlet or spiked gauntlet while using a bow is, however, just fine as far as I know.
Comus
09-09-06, 12:47 AM Unfortunately, you do not threaten with spiked armor, since it does damage only when you grapple.
A gauntlet or spiked gauntlet while using a bow is, however, just fine as far as I know.

Nope. You threaten with spiked armor. You can use it normally to make attacks, in addition to using it a grapple.
ressurrector
09-09-06, 02:49 AM Bleh, more senseless 3.5 changes...
LCD2YOU
09-09-06, 07:50 AM This is where a DM needs to make a ruling on it.

I've seen a person rear their fist back, only to take 6 great shots to their chin and fall backwards on the bar floor before they could respond. It was a bouncer who came over grabbed the wrong guy and was taught that size ain't everything.

The intended "victim" is or now was a Golden Gloves boxer so I guess it's easy to say he had the Feats of Combat Expertise and Improved Unarmed Strike. The Bouncer was a brawler who relied on his size.

So if a person who did not have the feat of Improved unarmed combat went to strike one who did, say a Fighter w/o and a Monk who has it, then if the Fighter went to rear back, the Monk gets an AoO.

If two completely "Featless", ie no "combat feats", individuals went up to attack each other sans weapons, then they would still atack each other normally as neither would be able to take advantage of AoO.
AlphaSquirell
09-09-06, 07:52 AM You can't make AOO with a ranged weapon, normally.

You can if you are doing that "target area" aim thingy. (you target an area with fire and threaten something like, 2 or 4 squres at a range; good for keeping an enemy down behind a rock, because if he moves, you get an AoO)
Shaggy_Shaggs
09-09-06, 08:00 AM You can if you are doing that "target area" aim thingy. (you target an area with fire and threaten something like, 2 or 4 squres at a range; good for keeping an enemy down behind a rock, because if he moves, you get an AoO)
Yeah, unless this is a class feature of some class I've never heard of, it doesn't work. Maybe you're thinking of ready actions, which sometimes resembles AoOs, but aren't the same thing.

As for AoO chain headaches, imagine a pair of 24 Dex dual wielding fighters going up against one another, each with Combat Reflexes and Double Hit, one with Karmic Strike and the other with Robilar's Gambit, both active. :help: That one round would take forever.
LCD2YOU
09-09-06, 08:44 AM Yeah, unless this is a class feature of some class I've never heard of, it doesn't work. Maybe you're thinking of ready actions, which sometimes resembles AoOs, but aren't the same thing.

As for AoO chain headaches, imagine a pair of 24 Dex dual wielding fighters going up against one another, each with Combat Reflexes and Double Hit, one with Karmic Strike and the other with Robilar's Gambit, both active. :help: That one round would take forever.That would be another case of them just getting their normal number attacks as they are "equal".
AlphaSquirell
09-09-06, 12:01 PM Yeah, unless this is a class feature of some class I've never heard of, it doesn't work. Maybe you're thinking of ready actions, which sometimes resembles AoOs, but aren't the same thing.

As for AoO chain headaches, imagine a pair of 24 Dex dual wielding fighters going up against one another, each with Combat Reflexes and Double Hit, one with Karmic Strike and the other with Robilar's Gambit, both active. :help: That one round would take forever.

Sorry, my bad. I house-ruled this one into D&D from the Star Wars RPG Hero's Guide.

So yes, it DOES exist, but it's not based for D&D rules. (at least, I don't THINK it is; it was designed for spraying blasterfire at someone in cover, not for arrows, which until higher levels or large groups are gathered, can't accomplish the same "spread")

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Golden Zealot 09-08-06, 08:55 PM	What happens if, as an attack of oppertunity, you make an attack which normally provokes an attack of oppertunity, such as an unarmed strike?
Ogmug 09-08-06, 09:02 PM	The other particpant gets to make an AoO, which may negate your AoO Example> Two monks stand toe to toe. Monk 1 tries to trip Monk 2. This invokes an AoO from monk 2. Monk 2 tries to trip Monk 1, which invokes the same. this an be continued ad nauseum, at least till they reach the limit of their combat reflexes. Remember, AoO can only be taken for 1 action normally, and with combat reflexes upto the limit imposed by the dex modifier. It then resolves with the last in, first out stack. If the Monk 2 got the last "trip" in and succeeds in tripping monk 1, the rest "never occurs" and monk 1 is tripped. If Monk 2 fails to trip, then monk 1's AoO goes off, and if successful the rest never occurs.
Comus 09-08-06, 09:02 PM	What happens if, as an attack of oppertunity, you make an attack which normally provokes an attack of oppertunity, such as an unarmed strike? You can't, as far as I know, make an attack of opportunity unarmed - at least without the Improved Unarmed Strike feat. Otherwise, I'd assume it'd be resolved as normal.
Ogmug 09-08-06, 09:04 PM	You can't, as far as I know, make an attack of opportunity unarmed - at least without the Improved Unarmed Strike feat. Otherwise, I'd assume it'd be resolved as normal. Very true. I took it the other route and assumed the feat (see what i get for skimming?)
LCD2YOU 09-08-06, 09:07 PM	Monks start out with improved unarmed strike so the two monls facing each other doesn't go. As for two Mages standing toe to toe with no combat feats, that would be so freaking funny, but I digress and Comus is correct.
Free1983 09-08-06, 09:28 PM	But what if your enemy is moving through your threatened squares and you are wielding a bow. Your enemy gives you the chance to make an attack of opportunity, but you give your enemy the same chance by doing this with a bow. (and let's presume that the enemy has a big mean greataxe). what happens now?
Comus 09-08-06, 09:30 PM	But what if your enemy is moving through your threatened squares and you are wielding a bow. Your enemy gives you the chance to make an attack of opportunity, but you give your enemy the same chance by doing this with a bow. (and let's presume that the enemy has a big mean greataxe). what happens now? You can't make AOO with a ranged weapon, normally.
ressurrector 09-08-06, 10:11 PM	You do not threaten with either a basic unarmed strike (gauntlets and Improved unarmed strike allow you to threaten) or a ranged weapon. You only can take an AoO with a melee weapon generally, and these do not provoke AoO's. Note: there are some spells/abilities that allow you to threaten with either a ranged weapon or an unarmed strike, in most if not all cases the ability/feat also states you no longer provoke AoOs for firing into melee/using an unarmed strike. You can only make an AoO with a weapon that threatens the area that the AoO occurs in.
Thubby 09-08-06, 10:29 PM	You do not threaten with either a basic unarmed strike (gauntlets and Improved unarmed strike allow you to threaten) or a ranged weapon. You only can take an AoO with a melee weapon generally, and these do not provoke AoO's. Note: there are some spells/abilities that allow you to threaten with either a ranged weapon or an unarmed strike, in most if not all cases the ability/feat also states you no longer provoke AoOs for firing into melee/using an unarmed strike. You can only make an AoO with a weapon that threatens the area that the AoO occurs in. and that, my friend, is why ranged people should be always where spiked armor oh, and as far as the AoO goes, you can get aoo's on aoo', like the first poster said, but not with unarmed specificaly
Ogmug 09-08-06, 10:44 PM	while two monks do not incur AoO for unarmed strikes, the DO incur AoO for trip attempts if they do not possess the improved trip feat. Same for grapple, and disarm. So the example holds true for the situation I set up, but does not hold water with regards to the OP's question.
ressurrector 09-09-06, 12:34 AM	and that, my friend, is why ranged people should be always where spiked armor oh, and as far as the AoO goes, you can get aoo's on aoo', like the first poster said, but not with unarmed specificaly Unfortunately, you do not threaten with spiked armor, since it does damage only when you grapple. A gauntlet or spiked gauntlet while using a bow is, however, just fine as far as I know.
Comus 09-09-06, 12:47 AM	Unfortunately, you do not threaten with spiked armor, since it does damage only when you grapple. A gauntlet or spiked gauntlet while using a bow is, however, just fine as far as I know. Nope. You threaten with spiked armor. You can use it normally to make attacks, in addition to using it a grapple.
ressurrector 09-09-06, 02:49 AM	Bleh, more senseless 3.5 changes...
LCD2YOU 09-09-06, 07:50 AM	This is where a DM needs to make a ruling on it. I've seen a person rear their fist back, only to take 6 great shots to their chin and fall backwards on the bar floor before they could respond. It was a bouncer who came over grabbed the wrong guy and was taught that size ain't everything. The intended "victim" is or now was a Golden Gloves boxer so I guess it's easy to say he had the Feats of Combat Expertise and Improved Unarmed Strike. The Bouncer was a brawler who relied on his size. So if a person who did not have the feat of Improved unarmed combat went to strike one who did, say a Fighter w/o and a Monk who has it, then if the Fighter went to rear back, the Monk gets an AoO. If two completely "Featless", ie no "combat feats", individuals went up to attack each other sans weapons, then they would still atack each other normally as neither would be able to take advantage of AoO.
AlphaSquirell 09-09-06, 07:52 AM	You can't make AOO with a ranged weapon, normally. You can if you are doing that "target area" aim thingy. (you target an area with fire and threaten something like, 2 or 4 squres at a range; good for keeping an enemy down behind a rock, because if he moves, you get an AoO)
Shaggy_Shaggs 09-09-06, 08:00 AM	You can if you are doing that "target area" aim thingy. (you target an area with fire and threaten something like, 2 or 4 squres at a range; good for keeping an enemy down behind a rock, because if he moves, you get an AoO) Yeah, unless this is a class feature of some class I've never heard of, it doesn't work. Maybe you're thinking of ready actions, which sometimes resembles AoOs, but aren't the same thing. As for AoO chain headaches, imagine a pair of 24 Dex dual wielding fighters going up against one another, each with Combat Reflexes and Double Hit, one with Karmic Strike and the other with Robilar's Gambit, both active. :help: That one round would take forever.
LCD2YOU 09-09-06, 08:44 AM	Yeah, unless this is a class feature of some class I've never heard of, it doesn't work. Maybe you're thinking of ready actions, which sometimes resembles AoOs, but aren't the same thing. As for AoO chain headaches, imagine a pair of 24 Dex dual wielding fighters going up against one another, each with Combat Reflexes and Double Hit, one with Karmic Strike and the other with Robilar's Gambit, both active. :help: That one round would take forever.That would be another case of them just getting their normal number attacks as they are "equal".
AlphaSquirell 09-09-06, 12:01 PM	Yeah, unless this is a class feature of some class I've never heard of, it doesn't work. Maybe you're thinking of ready actions, which sometimes resembles AoOs, but aren't the same thing. As for AoO chain headaches, imagine a pair of 24 Dex dual wielding fighters going up against one another, each with Combat Reflexes and Double Hit, one with Karmic Strike and the other with Robilar's Gambit, both active. :help: That one round would take forever. Sorry, my bad. I house-ruled this one into D&D from the Star Wars RPG Hero's Guide. So yes, it DOES exist, but it's not based for D&D rules. (at least, I don't THINK it is; it was designed for spraying blasterfire at someone in cover, not for arrows, which until higher levels or large groups are gathered, can't accomplish the same "spread")