Bag of holding, can you do this? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Bag of holding, can you do this? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Unluckylukey
08-19-07, 08:48 PM One of my pc the cleric wants to put his plate mail armor in his bag of holding. Of course it doesn't fit. However he pulls it apart and puts it in by sections and then straps the breast plate to his back.

He has no blacksmith skills

Should i allow this
dknight100
08-19-07, 09:17 PM Sure, anyone can take stuff apart... you may want to ask how good he is at jigsaw puzzles though - putting plate mail armour back together would take a fairly long time and most likely involve some hammering/riveting, so if he needs his plate armour again soon....
DarkNick
08-19-07, 09:22 PM Why woudn't it fit?

The opening is big enough to put in your platemail.
shadzar
08-19-07, 09:24 PM is the plate mail attached by leather straps or metal links?

the straps could probably be taken off to allow for taking it apart. metal links wouldn't be so easy.

also the armor isn't like a cocoon that doesn't move. it has to come apart in order to get it on the wearer. do you think it is one solid piece and worn and taken off as such?
Divokej
08-19-07, 09:45 PM That's why it takes four minutes to put on. There are all sorts of straps and buckles. You put it on one piece at a time.
Dragonsblood
08-19-07, 09:51 PM Have you ever read the description of a bag of holding? The things are huge even without the extra-dimensional space. It's one of the main reasons why I prefer the handy haversack.

This appears to be a common cloth sack about 2 feet by 4 feet in size.

A suit of plate mail could easily fit into a 2 foot wide opening.

But regardless, plate mail comes apart naturally when it's removed from the wearer. The leggings, gauntlets, boots, chest piece, helm, and internal padding are all separate pieces that overlap and are held together with adjustable leather straps. Your player's PC would know how to take apart and put back together his suit backwards and forwards after a single adventure with one unless he never takes it off at night.
Myzery78
08-19-07, 10:18 PM While we're on the subject of questionable things to do with a bag of holding, I've got one for you folks to consider:

A few campaigns ago the cleric in the party I DMed for summon a succubus using Lesser Planar Ally and have the rest of the party as well as himself climb into the bag and have her use her at will Greater Teleport ability to provide extremely efficient although risky transportation across great distances. By hiding in the bag they bypassed the self plus 50 pounds of gear restriction of the succubus, and because its a calling spell rather than a summon she can still use her Greater Teleport.
concerro
08-19-07, 10:45 PM While we're on the subject of questionable things to do with a bag of holding, I've got one for you folks to consider:

A few campaigns ago the cleric in the party I DMed for summon a succubus using Lesser Planar Ally and have the rest of the party as well as himself climb into the bag and have her use her at will Greater Teleport ability to provide extremely efficient although risky transportation across great distances. By hiding in the bag they bypassed the self plus 50 pounds of gear restriction of the succubus, and because its a calling spell rather than a summon she can still use her Greater Teleport.

The air supply is limited to 10 minutes(DMG), so it depends on how long it takes to complete the travel
dknight100
08-19-07, 11:33 PM I like the travel idea, its amusing. I can picture the succubus trying to shaft the party by being a bit sluggish with transporting and letting them out - as mentioned, its devious but risky.
_Jayne_Cobb_
08-20-07, 11:06 AM One of my pc the cleric wants to put his plate mail armor in his bag of holding. Of course it doesn't fit. However he pulls it apart and puts it in by sections and then straps the breast plate to his back.

Why wouldn't it fit? :confused:

He has no blacksmith skills

Immaterial.

Should i allow this

I am unable to think of any reason why you would not allow it.
soulnova
08-20-07, 12:31 PM LOL

C'mon, my players have put human corpses inside the bag so they could revive them later (With gentle repose of course... ). xD
Aberlonian
08-20-07, 12:36 PM Per the description of both plate armor, and the bag of holding from the core books, I don't see why you couldn't. In fact, I always assumed that you could put armor, weapons and like sized items in a bag of holding without too much trouble.

What use is a bag of holding if it doesn't even hold a set of plate?
Pyro_Azer
08-20-07, 12:45 PM LOL

C'mon, my players have put human corpses inside the bag so they could revive them later (With gentle repose of course... ). xD

Actually a corpse would not decompose because there is no air in a bag of holding. Gentle repose is not nessasary.
Aberlonian
08-20-07, 12:55 PM According to the SRD, there is 10 minutes worth of air inside a bag of holding (provided you opened it to put the body in, and the air flowed in at that time).

Assume 10 minutes of air is for a small or medium sized creature. Then extrapolate that to the amount of air required by the micro-organisms that break down dead bodies, and I'd say there's enough air to keep them alive until the body is decomposed beyond resurrection.

But yes, if the bag can hold an expired adventurer, it can probably hold his armour too
AntiDjinn
08-20-07, 01:35 PM The exterior dimensions of a bag are 2 feet by 4 feet (if laid out flat on its side, it is a 2 X 4 rectangular cloth sack). Assuming the opening is along one of the narrower ends, it means the opening can be pulled so that it forms a circle with a circumference of 4 feet (it is made of two 2 foot lengths). When opened fully like this, the mouth has a diameter of about 1.3 feet. If you don't open the sack quite as wide as a circle (make it an ellipse) you get a longer opening at the expense of width (up to just under 2 feet, at which point the sack would be closed).

This should be more than enough space to pass a suit of medium plate armor that has been removed. There is no need to break any portion of the armor; it comes off in sections by design. Or did you imagine it was a solid construction that is entered via a submarine hatch on the back or via a gaseous form spell?
Aucturos
08-20-07, 01:46 PM While we're on the subject of questionable things to do with a bag of holding, I've got one for you folks to consider:

A few campaigns ago the cleric in the party I DMed for summon a succubus using Lesser Planar Ally and have the rest of the party as well as himself climb into the bag and have her use her at will Greater Teleport ability to provide extremely efficient although risky transportation across great distances. By hiding in the bag they bypassed the self plus 50 pounds of gear restriction of the succubus, and because its a calling spell rather than a summon she can still use her Greater Teleport.

That's a funderful use of the bag. :)

Just remember, it's 10 minutes of air divided by the number of people... 2 minutes of air goes by real fast when there's 5 people in there.
StSteven
08-20-07, 03:00 PM Per the description of both plate armor, and the bag of holding from the core books, I don't see why you couldn't. In fact, I always assumed that you could put armor, weapons and like sized items in a bag of holding without too much trouble.

IIRC, sharp objects can puncture the bag (which is bad). They better be wrapping those weapons well.
Aberlonian
08-20-07, 03:23 PM Sheath?
Lazigothi
08-20-07, 03:35 PM Maybe the 2,000lb cod piece was too big to fit in the hole?
:rimshot:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Unluckylukey 08-19-07, 08:48 PM	One of my pc the cleric wants to put his plate mail armor in his bag of holding. Of course it doesn't fit. However he pulls it apart and puts it in by sections and then straps the breast plate to his back. He has no blacksmith skills Should i allow this
dknight100 08-19-07, 09:17 PM	Sure, anyone can take stuff apart... you may want to ask how good he is at jigsaw puzzles though - putting plate mail armour back together would take a fairly long time and most likely involve some hammering/riveting, so if he needs his plate armour again soon....
DarkNick 08-19-07, 09:22 PM	Why woudn't it fit? The opening is big enough to put in your platemail.
shadzar 08-19-07, 09:24 PM	is the plate mail attached by leather straps or metal links? the straps could probably be taken off to allow for taking it apart. metal links wouldn't be so easy. also the armor isn't like a cocoon that doesn't move. it has to come apart in order to get it on the wearer. do you think it is one solid piece and worn and taken off as such?
Divokej 08-19-07, 09:45 PM	That's why it takes four minutes to put on. There are all sorts of straps and buckles. You put it on one piece at a time.
Dragonsblood 08-19-07, 09:51 PM	Have you ever read the description of a bag of holding? The things are huge even without the extra-dimensional space. It's one of the main reasons why I prefer the handy haversack. This appears to be a common cloth sack about 2 feet by 4 feet in size. A suit of plate mail could easily fit into a 2 foot wide opening. But regardless, plate mail comes apart naturally when it's removed from the wearer. The leggings, gauntlets, boots, chest piece, helm, and internal padding are all separate pieces that overlap and are held together with adjustable leather straps. Your player's PC would know how to take apart and put back together his suit backwards and forwards after a single adventure with one unless he never takes it off at night.
Myzery78 08-19-07, 10:18 PM	While we're on the subject of questionable things to do with a bag of holding, I've got one for you folks to consider: A few campaigns ago the cleric in the party I DMed for summon a succubus using Lesser Planar Ally and have the rest of the party as well as himself climb into the bag and have her use her at will Greater Teleport ability to provide extremely efficient although risky transportation across great distances. By hiding in the bag they bypassed the self plus 50 pounds of gear restriction of the succubus, and because its a calling spell rather than a summon she can still use her Greater Teleport.
concerro 08-19-07, 10:45 PM	While we're on the subject of questionable things to do with a bag of holding, I've got one for you folks to consider: A few campaigns ago the cleric in the party I DMed for summon a succubus using Lesser Planar Ally and have the rest of the party as well as himself climb into the bag and have her use her at will Greater Teleport ability to provide extremely efficient although risky transportation across great distances. By hiding in the bag they bypassed the self plus 50 pounds of gear restriction of the succubus, and because its a calling spell rather than a summon she can still use her Greater Teleport. The air supply is limited to 10 minutes(DMG), so it depends on how long it takes to complete the travel
dknight100 08-19-07, 11:33 PM	I like the travel idea, its amusing. I can picture the succubus trying to shaft the party by being a bit sluggish with transporting and letting them out - as mentioned, its devious but risky.
_Jayne_Cobb_ 08-20-07, 11:06 AM	One of my pc the cleric wants to put his plate mail armor in his bag of holding. Of course it doesn't fit. However he pulls it apart and puts it in by sections and then straps the breast plate to his back. Why wouldn't it fit? :confused: He has no blacksmith skills Immaterial. Should i allow this I am unable to think of any reason why you would not allow it.
soulnova 08-20-07, 12:31 PM	LOL C'mon, my players have put human corpses inside the bag so they could revive them later (With gentle repose of course... ). xD
Aberlonian 08-20-07, 12:36 PM	Per the description of both plate armor, and the bag of holding from the core books, I don't see why you couldn't. In fact, I always assumed that you could put armor, weapons and like sized items in a bag of holding without too much trouble. What use is a bag of holding if it doesn't even hold a set of plate?
Pyro_Azer 08-20-07, 12:45 PM	LOL C'mon, my players have put human corpses inside the bag so they could revive them later (With gentle repose of course... ). xD Actually a corpse would not decompose because there is no air in a bag of holding. Gentle repose is not nessasary.
Aberlonian 08-20-07, 12:55 PM	According to the SRD, there is 10 minutes worth of air inside a bag of holding (provided you opened it to put the body in, and the air flowed in at that time). Assume 10 minutes of air is for a small or medium sized creature. Then extrapolate that to the amount of air required by the micro-organisms that break down dead bodies, and I'd say there's enough air to keep them alive until the body is decomposed beyond resurrection. But yes, if the bag can hold an expired adventurer, it can probably hold his armour too
AntiDjinn 08-20-07, 01:35 PM	The exterior dimensions of a bag are 2 feet by 4 feet (if laid out flat on its side, it is a 2 X 4 rectangular cloth sack). Assuming the opening is along one of the narrower ends, it means the opening can be pulled so that it forms a circle with a circumference of 4 feet (it is made of two 2 foot lengths). When opened fully like this, the mouth has a diameter of about 1.3 feet. If you don't open the sack quite as wide as a circle (make it an ellipse) you get a longer opening at the expense of width (up to just under 2 feet, at which point the sack would be closed). This should be more than enough space to pass a suit of medium plate armor that has been removed. There is no need to break any portion of the armor; it comes off in sections by design. Or did you imagine it was a solid construction that is entered via a submarine hatch on the back or via a gaseous form spell?
Aucturos 08-20-07, 01:46 PM	While we're on the subject of questionable things to do with a bag of holding, I've got one for you folks to consider: A few campaigns ago the cleric in the party I DMed for summon a succubus using Lesser Planar Ally and have the rest of the party as well as himself climb into the bag and have her use her at will Greater Teleport ability to provide extremely efficient although risky transportation across great distances. By hiding in the bag they bypassed the self plus 50 pounds of gear restriction of the succubus, and because its a calling spell rather than a summon she can still use her Greater Teleport. That's a funderful use of the bag. :) Just remember, it's 10 minutes of air divided by the number of people... 2 minutes of air goes by real fast when there's 5 people in there.
StSteven 08-20-07, 03:00 PM	Per the description of both plate armor, and the bag of holding from the core books, I don't see why you couldn't. In fact, I always assumed that you could put armor, weapons and like sized items in a bag of holding without too much trouble. IIRC, sharp objects can puncture the bag (which is bad). They better be wrapping those weapons well.
Aberlonian 08-20-07, 03:23 PM	Sheath?
Lazigothi 08-20-07, 03:35 PM	Maybe the 2,000lb cod piece was too big to fit in the hole? :rimshot: