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Mini_Mike86 09-13-05, 09:17 PM	what is the absolute best way to kill a PC or NPC it really doesnt matter? I thought of Crucifing the Character but placing a ring of Sustenance on one hand and a ring of Regeneration on the other. :D if any of you guys can better that please tell me as one of my group is asking for it literally: (he's a necromancer)
MasterRookie 09-13-05, 09:21 PM	Totally nailing him to the side of a cliff by his fingers. with a ring of sustanance. so he has to spend the rest of his life hanging off a cliff in agony with nails through each finger.
Solik 09-13-05, 09:22 PM	Rocks fall.
Bane 09-13-05, 09:25 PM	I suggest locking him up on the Astral Plane for double his races normal lifespan, then tossing him back onto the Material Plane. Instant death by old age is fun. I also enjoy using the Fleshpuddle trap. (Flesh to stone, stone to mud, mud to stone, stone to flesh) Of course, this only applies once you realize that the game is not DM vs. PC. If you want to kill them for a power trip, have Tiamat attack them at level 2. Then find a new group that hasn't heard about you yet. Repeat.
hollow_ghost 09-13-05, 09:57 PM	Someon once suggested 2 Desintegrate and a Quickened Gust of wind
pangalactic 09-13-05, 10:25 PM	Many a year ago, a PC in a group I was DMing Wished to become immortal. It was granted, and he became uber cocky because he could never die. Imagine his horror, then, when an enemy disembowelled him and tied him to a tree by his intestines, to live out an eternity being eaten by carrion feeders.
Orcboss 09-13-05, 10:51 PM	what is the absolute best way to kill a PC or NPC it really doesnt matter? If you're weaker than the target, then use the most efficient means available. If you're comparatively stronger, I sugges the most embarassing means available. Stabbed in the back by a one-legged halfling "lady of the evening" or some such thing.
ObsidianIchor 09-13-05, 11:17 PM	Coup de gras in their sleep. Preferably as a rogue or using a scythe with a high strength (x4 crit). Or Hold Person + CDG
Rhomphaia 09-13-05, 11:37 PM	It takes some creative work, but the only way I will kill a PC is if it is a direct, logical reaction of their own stupid/insane/ powergaming actions. It is hard to do, but so worth it when the character who consistently breaks down doors to get inside somewhere suddenly faces a phalanx of archers with readied actions...
TheChilliGod 09-14-05, 12:04 AM	Huh? You mean you actually need to get help in making your characters die? About 2 characters in my campaign get knocked unconscious each session, and only my niceness keeps them from being coup-de-graced afterward. Anyway, the best way I've found to kill a PC is (and this only works if the PC is reallllllly incompatible with the rest of the party) to NPC him, and later have him killed by the PC's later in the game. For extra insult, have the PC's body being shoved under someone else's control, and the soul of the PC turned undead (ghost, wraith, shadow, whatever).
Mini_Mike86 09-14-05, 12:13 AM	OOohh a cursed +8 girdle of titan strength: the belt would opperate as the item and could be used by a medium sized character as say leather armor but if the wearer is not a titan then the armor graphs to the skin of the PC and shrinks each day worn (forcefully hahaha) then the tighter it gets i can give him -'s to his DEX....... and then kill him. ooooh and if i give some form of FORT save on wearing the armor (that instantly fails) maybe someone else will be stupid enough to try an wear it afterwards for the +8 STR?? but i was after some more sick and twisted ravenloft-esk deaths :D
Mini_Mike86 09-14-05, 12:18 AM	I also enjoy using the Fleshpuddle trap. (Flesh to stone, stone to mud, mud to stone, stone to flesh) haha excellent thats the sort of thing i was after. the stuff that makes wish you hadn't heard it in the first place. Any more wacky (brilliant) ideas??? :confused:
Solidcobra 09-14-05, 04:23 AM	Flesh to stone. Soften earth and stone. Purify food and drink. From human to puddle of water. Wall of fire. Wall of stone (globe version). Mmm...oven.
Rhomphaia 09-14-05, 05:09 AM	Okay, you are looking for stuff like that huh? Well, time for a Dm to get creative. Well, not really. Many of you have seen these before, but they are still amusing. +5 hammer of dwarven throwing This is a hammer of any type that can be thrown and in all respects performs exactly as a normal magical hammer that returns when thrown, until it is thrown by a dwarf. In that event, it instead throws the dwarf, using the dwarf's base attack bonus and proficiency, toward the dwarf's intended target. (very deadly if say a dragon is involved). Robe of blending This robe or cloak appears in all respects as some sort of clothing that can hide the wearer. Once someone puts it on and attempts to hide however, it then springs hundreds of tiny blades on the insides surface and clings tightly to the wearer (DC- 30 strength or escape artist check to get out). These baldes whirl around, dealing 4d4 damage per round until the character escapes or is dead. And for humiliation, nothing beats a kobold sneak attacking a character with a pointy stick covered in some very lethal poison.
Flushpuppie 09-14-05, 05:30 AM	Well, if it's a necro... First, use your ray of enfeeblement to lower it's strength to 0, then kill him very slowly by using unarmed attacks (kick him to death :devil: ) . Raise him as a bone creature, but not after severing his legs and arms. then keep hitting him with a blunt weapon and kill him the second time. well maybe not the best way, but at least you get to kill him twice
Rhomphaia 09-14-05, 05:35 AM	Can you use Ray of Enfeeblement to reduce a crature's strength to 0? Normally you do not stack bonuses or penalties, but the Str penalty from RoE is an unnamed penalty, so it should stack, right?
Flushpuppie 09-14-05, 05:38 AM	Can you use Ray of Enfeeblement to reduce a crature's strength to 0? Normally you do not stack bonuses or penalties, but the Str penalty from RoE is an unnamed penalty, so it should stack, right? i don't know, but my experiences are that if they use it, they have to have their whole lvl 1 spell list full of it to make it effective. so i don't much care now.
Solidcobra 09-14-05, 07:29 AM	Can you use Ray of Enfeeblement to reduce a crature's strength to 0? Normally you do not stack bonuses or penalties, but the Str penalty from RoE is an unnamed penalty, so it should stack, right? It does. *but* they still can't reduce it beyond 1. an undead or poison will have to knock those final few points down. Helmet of coleslaw A helmet that, much like the robe of blending, sprouts tiny blades that circle around quickly when activated. It has three modes. Low, medium and liquify.
Ulrich Valdemont 09-14-05, 07:51 AM	If he's a necromancer, he can be found out by an angry mob of townsfolk. I'd say, give him a fair trial and then burn him!!!
Nurgan_the_drunked 09-14-05, 08:05 AM	If he's a necromancer, he can be found out by an angry mob of townsfolk. I'd say, give him a fair trial and then burn him!!! Fair trial being along the "weighing the same as a duck" or "we managed to burn him, so the gods think it's OK" method presumably. Bury him up to his shoulders in a swamp. Transmute mud to rock. Wander off. Ponder whether he'll sink before he starves. And Kobold barbarians are more embarassing than rogues being taken out by a kobold is much worse if it's in a fair fight.
bolgar 09-14-05, 08:08 AM	Spells that provide bonuses or penalties on attack rolls, damage rolls, saving throws, and other attributes usually do not stack with themselves. More generally, two bonuses of the same type don’t stack even if they come from different spells (or from effects other than spells; see Bonus Types, above). So RoE doesn't stack with itself.
digoraccoon 09-14-05, 08:30 AM	I only kill off a PC if they initiated the trouble and had it coming. Like the party Archer that no one likes (the player is a jerk more then the character) and the archer recently angered the king of this kingdom by blackmailing his queen. So a good old fashion "Fox hunt" is in order by the king, along with his queen and his knights of the court. Not hard to find the archer since she TOLD the king where she lives. 12 to 1 odds was a bit overkill, but the beauty was it was done in a neighboring kingdom and the local guards (who don't like the archer) feigned ignorance. :D "It is good to be the king."
Bane 09-14-05, 08:33 AM	Pit trap that turns into a long chute. From here, you can either go with A: 100 feet down, the chute splits. B: At the end, it dumps him into an Elder Black Pudding. or C: Near the end of the chute, he triggers an alarm spell. When he shoots out the end of the chute, the orcs with bows will be ready. (Kind of like skeet shooting.) There's always the pit trap with a false floor on the other side. You jump across, and the 1/4" balsa wood doesn't hold your weight for some reason. If you trust your players not to metagame, or if notes are a big thing at your table, this is fun. The party walks into a room, and are each teleported to a different room, each with a variety of monsters. Odds are, they start attacking. The party wasn't teleported to a variety of different rooms, they were teleported to the exact same place they were standing before, and the group got hit with a [i]Veil[i] or something like it. So the Sorcerer looks like a rakshasa, the fighter looks like a golem, that kind of thing. Decent odds for at least one death.
Ulrich Valdemont 09-14-05, 09:14 AM	Fair trial being along the "weighing the same as a duck" or "we managed to burn him, so the gods think it's OK" method presumably. Could very well be, but have you seen Black Adder being tried by the inquisition? Inq: You have been whitnesed talking to a cat B.A. Hardly a conversation, I doubt it Inq: You where heard saying, would you like some milk B.A. Well, I've might have said that Inq: And what kind of milk where you talking about B.A. How do you mean, what kind of milk. I ment milk. Bloody milk, what else? Inq: Bloooody milk? You're a witch!!!! B.A. No not bloody milk. There was no blood in the milk. It was just milk. Inq: So you didn't have virgins blood to feed your cat. And you had to make due with milk. You're a witch. A witch!!! Burn at the stake!!! But if you want to go for a slow and agonising death, the kobolts are your best bet. One at a time. Until he runs out of spells, resources and eventually hitpoints. Maybe a ring of infinite hostile kobolt summoning.
Blaze_the_Dragon 09-14-05, 09:52 AM	First...12 headed hydra, With the head regeneration, and Pyro, Half-Black dragon, 12 headed half-dragon that grows back heads and they can't be burned or acid damaged shut... Second, He's a necromancer...Paladians HATE necromancers, And unless your necromancer has Asuil's Disconcernable Aura, Then Every paladian within range of a Detect Evil spell can find him Third, A swarm of...Something...I myself prefur goblins, 1-6 hundred should do depending on your players lvl, Other suggestions include: Orcs, Demons, Archers, Town Guard, Commoners, Fey (Any), Small, Medium, or Large Elementals (Anytype), Oh, and undead, Because I don't care what lvl necromancer you are, 700 undead, are going to kill you Cliffs, Just last week I had an entire party die because the wizard fell down a cliff, and the entire party tried to save her (It was acctually funny, The Cleric used the rope to jump down...His Use Rope Skill sucked, The sorcerer tried to animate the rope, Only to have the cleric jump down it the next round, The fighter just dived after her, and the rouge was smart enough to stay at the top of the cliff....An orc bullrushed him) Gold Dragons, It seems off the wall, I know, But ever since my first D&D game, (My 2nd lvl wizard got killed by a Great wyrm Gold dragon) I love throwing these beasts at my party, of course, Adding the feindish template makes the entire situation make a little more sense (Note: With this solution, 2 problems occur A: Your party WILL complain B: Your ENTIRE party will die ENTIRE (None can escape the power of the Gold dragon)) Gods, OMG! hy didn't I say this earlier, Thumb of St. Cuthbert his ass. Start throwing good aligned Clerics at the party, Necromancers HATE good aligned clerics
Aeolus91 09-14-05, 05:37 PM	-I'm thinking take an example from Greek mythology. The gods take offence at one of his actions and grant him immortality, then string him up on a mountain and have an eagle come once a day to devour his internal organs, then have the organs slowly and painfully regenerate so they can be eaten the next day. -Have a particularly perverse wizard cast Evard's Black Tentacles of Forced Intrusion on him :devil: -Pit trap. With a Troll at the bottom. A troll (of the opposite sex as the character) who hasn't had someone to play kinky S&M with in a LOOONG time... Ooh.. that last one was DEVIOUS. -Mad dagger-wielding kender have heard of the character's amazing deeds and decide to take pieces of his flesh as souvenirs. -A trap that casts the following spells. In this order: Animate Object on a rope, which ties itself securely around the character. Unseen Servant which removes the character's armor, magic items, and weapons. Teleport Without Error to the BBEG's personal chambers, where the character arrives, tied up, naked, and defenseless. -A criminal syndicate ties the character up, pours concrete around his feet, and Plane Shifts him to the Elemental Plane of Fire's lava seas to "Sleep with the salamanders" -Insane pixies that can do nothing but sing the song "Banana Phone" follow the character around for the rest of his days until he commits suicide. (Back this up OOG by constantly playing the song in the background verrry softly during the entire game) -I'm having too much fun with this, more later :devil:
monkmania 09-14-05, 05:53 PM	at the end of the first half my my current campaign, all the players were supposed to die (railroad lol), so i swarmed them with ninjas.
Leewei 09-14-05, 06:14 PM	I like the idea of giving someone enough rope to hang himself with. One player I had in a previous game decided to use a demonic familiar because the system made them cheaper to buy and use. The critter was less intelligent than its master, therefore the player figured he wouldn't have much trouble keeping it in check. The critter organized an ambush of the party with another demon, then crowed about its master's brilliant plan just as the ambush hit. The wizard, who already had a shaky standing with the other PCs, teleported off and was actively hunted thereafter by the PCs. The same player, in a different campaign, decided to have a powerful sidekick to his fiendish, sadistic character who was secretly betraying the rest of the party. The sidekick was once again engineered to cost the character nothing. Well, you get what you pay for, as the saying goes. He betrayed the group, they caught on and beat him silly, then he teleported away to his lair and collapsed unconscious at the feet of his sidekick. When he woke up, he was chained to a wall while the sidekick leered at him and sharpened knives...
Mysticaloctopus 09-14-05, 06:40 PM	Eight fiendish owlbears in a 9th level party with a cleric, a rogue and a psion kineticist. Cleric runs forward and gets surrounded. Her fault entirely, but being reincarnated by the druid NPC they were visiting meant they had no fighter at all, as their cleric rolled and came back as *drumroll* A Cat. A Siamese, she insisted. Siamese because they have kinked tails. The legend she'd heard said princesses ould put their rings on siamese cat's tails when they bather. So this cat can wear magic rings as tail doodas and necklaces as collars. Joy for her. Needless to say, she couldn't stand her life and begged her god for a new life somewhere, it got granted and they got a barbarian to join them. He didn't last long, the palyer realised they couldn't play an int 8 character well and went on a heroic suicide run. She settled on a paladin with some modifications from the class boards to exchange the cure disease attempts for better combat abilities.
Callista 09-14-05, 07:46 PM	I'm assuming this is something like, "Hey, I'm going to live in Taiwan for the next three years. Let's kill off my PC so I can end his story." Basically, it's railroading with the player's permission and for the sake of drama. So, if you have to kill a PC, do it heroically... If he's the party fighter, then give him an opportunity to hold back a horde of (ECL-3) small-time fighters while the rest of the party escapes. If he's a magic-user, give him a spell to cast that has, as a component, the spellcaster's death. Have the spell save the (world/town/country/king's life/et cetera). There's also the "This portal to the Abyss can only be closed from the inside" idea. If you've got a character who's in love, give him a chance to die rescuing his significant other. Generally the method here is to allow him a Reflex save to take a blow that's meant for the (badly wounded) object of affection. A Shield Other spell (or scroll of Shield Other) also works. An Evil-aligned character can be faced with a horde of Paladins, good Clerics, or even Celestials. Make them weak enough so that he kills most of them before he bites it. Someone who generally goes against the law? Have him captured and hanged. If he's got a high Charisma score, and he's fairly well known, then chances are the theives' guild or the equivalent lawless folk will be there when he gets hanged. Give him a chance to escape; make it plain that he hasn't got a prayer of making it, but he gets the chance to fight to the death rather than just get executed. Have the people watching the execution cheer for him. This works especially nicely if he's a highwayman or some other usually "romantic" sort of criminal. Someone with a nemesis? If the nemesis is a spellcaster, fudge things so that the fight is extremely close, and then have it go like this: Nemesis casts Delayed Fireball; character kills Nemesis; Delayed Fireball goes off; Character dies. If the nemesis is a fighter type, have a fight in a very dangerous location (high cliffs, lava, et cetera) then have the nemesis, when badly wounded, grab the character and drag him off the cliff or into the lava or whatever. Exalted character? Give him an item that allows anyone to activate it, and casts one of the spells with the Sacrifice component being the character's death. Then face him with a monster that's weak to that spell. Got someone who's extremely honorable? Give him a chance to fight a duel against an opponent he's sure to lose against; and can't refuse without losing face. Preferably, he should also be preventing something else by fighting this duel: Maybe the person he's fighting (try a LE type here, so you know he tends towards telling the truth and keeping promises) has given him an ultimatum like, "If you don't fight me, I'll (insert evil deed here)." Best if done with a hated nemesis as the opponent. Even better if you can manage to totally destroy the nemesis's reputation by having the threat he made become publicly known. After all, who admires an evil knight who picks on people he knows he can kill by threatening to exterminate their home villages if they don't fight him? Angsty type? Give him information vital to the safety of (insert important person or location here). Then get him captured (in such a way that he can't escape) by people who are pretty sure to be able to pry the information out of his head. Give him access to a weapon. Watch him CdG himself. Soo... yeah, enough ideas?
Esgarblackpox 09-14-05, 08:07 PM	have a kindly old lady give him a drink of water. this "lady" is actually a disguised villain whos angry at the PC. and the water is from the river styx. alternativly, heres a fun trap: PCs (or in this case, PC) enter a hallway/room. it becomes sealed off, and something starts to drip from the celing. this would be abloeth mucus. a ring of regeneration, and substance will not save him from drowning in air.
Ichor Spellka 09-14-05, 08:20 PM	Have a wild mage blast a rod of wonder that the party carries with chaos energy. Have the resulting blast transport all involved to random and separate areas of Limbo. During slaad mating season. If they live through the experience, have all survivors have an uncontrollable fear of frogs forever more. Have a telepath cast mind seed on the character. Have the characters come into possession of a red dragon horde. Let the group fighter-type discover the incredibly well-made, heavily enchanted, silver bastard sword. Two weeks later, the githyanki start looking for the sword that they paid their red dragon ally to acquire from a far more powerful group of adventurers. Githyanki attack them in their sleep, never giving up the hunt.