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sedai 06-19-06, 05:10 AM	a player of mine asked if he could use the bladed gauntlet from "arms and equipment" and another book, for his monk. without penalties. the bladed gauntlet is basicly a gauntlet with two blades fixed on it. dealing 1d6 damage on a 19-20/x2 crit. or a 17-20/x2 crit, depends on which book you're holding. i have already said that the gauntlet exists of course, and that if he can find a good in game reason to buy it he could use it. but i also told that it might come with a few penalties. the gauntlet is made from metal, and thus restricts his free movements. so i though, that maybe i should give him a penalty on his flurry of blows. but he reminded me that a monk uses hand/feet/elbows too for unarmed strike.... the gauntlet isn't specified as a special monk weapon, but in my campaign that doesn't really matter, cuz the players are playing themselves, so they have no training whatsoever... what kind of penalty should i give? or shouldn't i penalty it at all?
rogue_lettuce 06-19-06, 05:19 AM	I... Don't... Understand... You don't care that it's not a monk weapon. But you do care it's made of metal, and think this should penalise him, despite other monk weapons being made of metal? :thinks: OK, my advice would be - allow him to use it. Allow him to take a feat granting him the ability to use it as a monk weapon, with the prerequisite being proficiency with it and a +3 BAB. Don't count it as an unarmed attack. Count it as an attack with a weapon, otherwise he will get hella bonuses that could seriously unbalance it if not kept in check. If you count it as an unarmed attack he's basically getting an increased threat range for free. Which is just plain silly. Especially 17-20, which already looks dodgy to me. Combine that with "keen" or improved critical and you've got one nasty monk.
Count Arioch the 28th 06-19-06, 05:25 AM	I wouldn't do anything at all, the rules are pretty clear on how to handle this. First off, the monk can use it, but unles the monk has proficiency somehow, he will get the -4 nonproficiency penalty. If he is proficient, it's not a monk weapon, and he can't flurry with it. Now, Eberron Campaign setting itroduced feats that allowed you to flurry with alternate weapons. In this case, you could allow him to take a feat to flurry with it. (the prereqs for all the flurry feats are proficiency with the weapon, and weapon focus. Eberron lets monks flurry with Longsword, or Scimitar, or Longspear with a similiar feat for each.) That is, in my opinion, the best way to rule on this.
Leilond 06-19-06, 05:35 AM	a player of mine asked if he could use the bladed gauntlet from "arms and equipment" and another book, for his monk. without penalties. the bladed gauntlet is basicly a gauntlet with two blades fixed on it. dealing 1d6 damage on a 19-20/x2 crit. or a 17-20/x2 crit, depends on which book you're holding. i have already said that the gauntlet exists of course, and that if he can find a good in game reason to buy it he could use it. but i also told that it might come with a few penalties. the gauntlet is made from metal, and thus restricts his free movements. so i though, that maybe i should give him a penalty on his flurry of blows. but he reminded me that a monk uses hand/feet/elbows too for unarmed strike.... the gauntlet isn't specified as a special monk weapon, but in my campaign that doesn't really matter, cuz the players are playing themselves, so they have no training whatsoever... what kind of penalty should i give? or shouldn't i penalty it at all? 1) 17-20 is absolutely broken. No more than 18-20 for a 1d6 weapon are out there or you'll have a 13-20/x2 weapon when the monks will have +8 BAB 2) Allow it, but remember your player that is a WEAPON and the damage will not go up when the monk get higher level. 3) A 18-20/x2 weapon is STRONGER than all other monk's weapons, so it need to be a bit nerfed, like asking for a feat to be used properly (-4 to hit) or not letting the PC use the gauntlet during the flurry; otherwise it will be overpowered You can adjust it simply changing the weapon in 19-20/x2 and consider it a WEAPON (no damage up for monks levels)
buddy4031 06-19-06, 05:47 AM	if the player can buy it, the player can use it. and i don't think a weapon can have a crit threat tange of over 15-20, can it?
Leilond 06-19-06, 05:50 AM	if the player can buy it, the player can use it. and i don't think a weapon can have a crit threat tange of over 15-20, can it? There is no limit to the Threat range. If you allow a weapon with 15-20 threat range you'll have a 9-20 weapon with the improved critical feat That's the reason because there isn't any "better than 18-20" weapon in the 3.5 and no cumulative "improved critical" can be used in any way (magical, feat, weapon property and so on)
Millennium 06-19-06, 07:02 AM	It's not a monk weapon, and monks don't start with proficiency with such things. But if a character is willing to spend a feat slot to gain proficiency or take the nonproficiency penalty with an unusual weapon, I'm not going to complain. I did it myself once, though my monk used a whip rather than a gauntlet. That character was a lot of fun.
sedai 06-19-06, 08:52 AM	i said i was worried bout the metal gauntlet because: your wrist loses alot of manouvrability when you got a metal gauntlet around it.. but i can see it now. thanks for the replies!