Bloodlines??? A waste of levels? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Bloodlines??? A waste of levels? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
The Soul Collector
02-22-05, 01:33 PM Hello Board People,
Just a quick question, has anyone bothered to use bloodlines as described in the UA? I can see the use for them from a flavor/roleplaying perspective but it's my opinion that what you get in exchange for a level or 3 is really lacking. Is this your opinion also? Is there an errata for it? Any of you guys make a fix for it?
Well, thanks in advance.
Nomad4life
02-22-05, 01:34 PM You may have better luck with this question on the UA forum?
Tolby
02-22-05, 01:46 PM I have no experience with them. However, I do think they may well be worth it. Especially levels that grant the +2 to an ability adjuestment. A lucky 18 and you have a 22 Con by level 3.
The Soul Collector
02-22-05, 01:48 PM Nomad4life: Your right, I should have put this in the UA forum, sorry about that.

Tolby: You only really get a +1 to a stat and the benefits you get are streched 20 levels.
Delfedd
02-22-05, 03:16 PM 3 levels for special abilitys every level? sooo worth it
CzarGarrett
02-22-05, 06:29 PM It makes sense, at least as the basic mechanics go.

You could be a Half-Fiend from the start, and be an ECL 5 character with the hp, skills, and abilities of a 1st level. OR, you could go with even a moderate bloodline and be an X4/Bloodline 1 with comparable powers to the Half-Fiend, still an ECL 5, but with the hp, skills, and abilities of a 4th level character (with caster level of 5th level).

I think its a lot smarter to go with bloodlines rather then templates.
Gorkon
02-22-05, 06:55 PM Funny thing is, UA also offers a system to "pay off" a level adjustment if you choose such a race. Simply because many abilities you get with a LA+ race are fine at the beginning, but rather worthless if your charachter grows up. And that is also the main problem of bloodlines: Most of the abilities aren't worth the loss of a full level (BAB, HD, Saves, ...) on the long run. There are some exceptions, like character level dependant abilities (spell resistance 10 + clvl), but well...thery're the eyceptions. :/ You may end up with a character who is three effective levels behind the rest of the party.

So, bloodlines could be interesting if you combine them with the said "pay off" rule. Or, as a DM, you could give a player who rolled bad stats a free minor bloodline as compensation. Or give every player a minor one for roleplaying purposes and the weaker ones a medium. And so on. BL can be an interesting addition to your game, but not as written.

(Just my 2 cents ;) )

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
The Soul Collector 02-22-05, 01:33 PM	Hello Board People, Just a quick question, has anyone bothered to use bloodlines as described in the UA? I can see the use for them from a flavor/roleplaying perspective but it's my opinion that what you get in exchange for a level or 3 is really lacking. Is this your opinion also? Is there an errata for it? Any of you guys make a fix for it? Well, thanks in advance.
Nomad4life 02-22-05, 01:34 PM	You may have better luck with this question on the UA forum?
Tolby 02-22-05, 01:46 PM	I have no experience with them. However, I do think they may well be worth it. Especially levels that grant the +2 to an ability adjuestment. A lucky 18 and you have a 22 Con by level 3.
The Soul Collector 02-22-05, 01:48 PM	Nomad4life: Your right, I should have put this in the UA forum, sorry about that. Tolby: You only really get a +1 to a stat and the benefits you get are streched 20 levels.
Delfedd 02-22-05, 03:16 PM	3 levels for special abilitys every level? sooo worth it
CzarGarrett 02-22-05, 06:29 PM	It makes sense, at least as the basic mechanics go. You could be a Half-Fiend from the start, and be an ECL 5 character with the hp, skills, and abilities of a 1st level. OR, you could go with even a moderate bloodline and be an X4/Bloodline 1 with comparable powers to the Half-Fiend, still an ECL 5, but with the hp, skills, and abilities of a 4th level character (with caster level of 5th level). I think its a lot smarter to go with bloodlines rather then templates.
Gorkon 02-22-05, 06:55 PM	Funny thing is, UA also offers a system to "pay off" a level adjustment if you choose such a race. Simply because many abilities you get with a LA+ race are fine at the beginning, but rather worthless if your charachter grows up. And that is also the main problem of bloodlines: Most of the abilities aren't worth the loss of a full level (BAB, HD, Saves, ...) on the long run. There are some exceptions, like character level dependant abilities (spell resistance 10 + clvl), but well...thery're the eyceptions. :/ You may end up with a character who is three effective levels behind the rest of the party. So, bloodlines could be interesting if you combine them with the said "pay off" rule. Or, as a DM, you could give a player who rolled bad stats a free minor bloodline as compensation. Or give every player a minor one for roleplaying purposes and the weaker ones a medium. And so on. BL can be an interesting addition to your game, but not as written. (Just my 2 cents ;) )