Breath weapon, sonic damage or not? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Breath weapon, sonic damage or not? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Goomba
02-06-06, 08:47 PM Ok. Here is the situation. In this current campaign I am a PC. Me and my buddy switch on and off with the DMing. Now We have just acquired a whole bunch of new books. The Monster Manual III being one of them. I am playing a bard. This happens to be my first Bard, and I am enjoying role playing with him. Now as far as combat goes, I suck. I used a few songs and cast a few spells. Sit back and enjoy and give my advice for tactics and so forth. Now, The bard has the ability called countersong. Whenever a sonic or language based spell/spell like ability is used. I can use my countersongs perform check for the saving throw for the whole party.

We were fighting an Amethyst dragon. The breath weapon on the Amethyst dragon is a line of force. Now, The DM would not allow the countersong to have any effect. I held the arguemnt that any force weapon used by the army, starwars movies, ect are all sonic blast type effects. Now we ended up working out a deal to let it work for my bard only. Until we could get the boards input on this. Let me know what u guys/gals think.
Always-Late
02-06-06, 08:56 PM Uhhhh.... No. Force is force, sonic is sonic. Would he let you use it on an orb of force, or a wave of force, or a forcecage? I think there are actually dragons with sonic breath weapons. This ain't one of them.
oxybe
02-06-06, 08:56 PM think of it as a laser beam. or a really big magic missile. a force spell/ability would be non-elemental physical energy. a sonic attack is just a really loud noise. this is why some monsters (which are deaf) are immune to sonic attacks and others (that rely on echolation or are inherently blind) are harmed more easily.

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Goomba 02-06-06, 08:47 PM	Ok. Here is the situation. In this current campaign I am a PC. Me and my buddy switch on and off with the DMing. Now We have just acquired a whole bunch of new books. The Monster Manual III being one of them. I am playing a bard. This happens to be my first Bard, and I am enjoying role playing with him. Now as far as combat goes, I suck. I used a few songs and cast a few spells. Sit back and enjoy and give my advice for tactics and so forth. Now, The bard has the ability called countersong. Whenever a sonic or language based spell/spell like ability is used. I can use my countersongs perform check for the saving throw for the whole party. We were fighting an Amethyst dragon. The breath weapon on the Amethyst dragon is a line of force. Now, The DM would not allow the countersong to have any effect. I held the arguemnt that any force weapon used by the army, starwars movies, ect are all sonic blast type effects. Now we ended up working out a deal to let it work for my bard only. Until we could get the boards input on this. Let me know what u guys/gals think.
Always-Late 02-06-06, 08:56 PM	Uhhhh.... No. Force is force, sonic is sonic. Would he let you use it on an orb of force, or a wave of force, or a forcecage? I think there are actually dragons with sonic breath weapons. This ain't one of them.
oxybe 02-06-06, 08:56 PM	think of it as a laser beam. or a really big magic missile. a force spell/ability would be non-elemental physical energy. a sonic attack is just a really loud noise. this is why some monsters (which are deaf) are immune to sonic attacks and others (that rely on echolation or are inherently blind) are harmed more easily.