Can a party defeat this guy? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Can a party defeat this guy? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Zemyla
07-11-05, 10:19 PM I was thinking of having a plot, where the BBEG was a 15th-level Ur-Priest/Dweomerkeeper who was attempting to become a god (and with Miracle without XP components, he has a good chance of doing it). The problem is that I'm afraid that any 15th-level party would have no chance of defeating him. Any suggestions?
Galaktia
07-11-05, 10:49 PM yea, let them try, if it is for story if it is for dugeon crawl, why so much plot?
TinManFan
07-12-05, 12:25 AM Uh, DK = Mystra's chosen class... Not sure you can keep the benefits while denying her worship.
Elrathh
07-12-05, 01:40 AM Wouldn't an Ur-Priest, having drawing it's powers from other Gods, not want to be a god? It's kinda like Robin Hood wanting to become the Sheriff of Nottingham. I always thought Ur-priests hated the divine for their foolishness.
Vaelan
07-12-05, 04:39 AM I would suggest against this, since it is pretty much impossible for an Ur-Priest to become a Dweomerkeeper and the DM should adhere to the rules to some extent if he expects his players to.

Also, read the Miracle spell's description. All a Miracle does is send a request to your deity (or the power you pray to for spells) to assist you. This makes Miracle an extremely unsuitable spell for Ur-Priests.
Cantankerous
07-12-05, 08:00 AM Yep. It's always a plus when a DM has a clue of what they're doing.

If the PC's are as completely void of any adherence to the rules as the suggested NPC is, then they may just trash him. If not, they should stand no chance at all... and might be wise to look for a DM who uses the rules atleast a bit.

Isshia

Edit: I withdraw the second part of that last sentence. I guess I was just feeling pekish. Anyway, if the players are built adhering to the rules the DM does himself and his game a SEVERE dis-service by ignoring them himself. Continuity and impartiality should be considered a vital part of the DM's job description.
MJ the Prophet
07-12-05, 08:15 AM I'm not looking at it right now, but shouldn't the first clue be a line somewhere in the prerequisites for Dweomerkeeper that says something like Patron Deity: Mystra? Hmm... "I deny the gods! All the divine powers are nothing but my tools, from which I draw energy at my whim! But not you, Lady, I promise. :D "
Carn Vandoril
07-12-05, 08:17 AM I would suggest against this, since it is pretty much impossible for an Ur-Priest to become a Dweomerkeeper and the DM should adhere to the rules to some extent if he expects his players to.
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Also, read the Miracle spell's description. All a Miracle does is send a request to your deity (or the power you pray to for spells) to assist you. This makes Miracle an extremely unsuitable spell for Ur-Priests.
Agreed, as would I, but: as a DM you wouldn't have to explain 'how' exactly, just that 'he will try to'.
As for the CR, every BBEG on his own has the chance to bite the dust in just a few rounds (or even one!), I can't see why this one is an exception. It's up to the party to get him on his own.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Zemyla 07-11-05, 10:19 PM	I was thinking of having a plot, where the BBEG was a 15th-level Ur-Priest/Dweomerkeeper who was attempting to become a god (and with Miracle without XP components, he has a good chance of doing it). The problem is that I'm afraid that any 15th-level party would have no chance of defeating him. Any suggestions?
Galaktia 07-11-05, 10:49 PM	yea, let them try, if it is for story if it is for dugeon crawl, why so much plot?
TinManFan 07-12-05, 12:25 AM	Uh, DK = Mystra's chosen class... Not sure you can keep the benefits while denying her worship.
Elrathh 07-12-05, 01:40 AM	Wouldn't an Ur-Priest, having drawing it's powers from other Gods, not want to be a god? It's kinda like Robin Hood wanting to become the Sheriff of Nottingham. I always thought Ur-priests hated the divine for their foolishness.
Vaelan 07-12-05, 04:39 AM	I would suggest against this, since it is pretty much impossible for an Ur-Priest to become a Dweomerkeeper and the DM should adhere to the rules to some extent if he expects his players to. Also, read the Miracle spell's description. All a Miracle does is send a request to your deity (or the power you pray to for spells) to assist you. This makes Miracle an extremely unsuitable spell for Ur-Priests.
Cantankerous 07-12-05, 08:00 AM	Yep. It's always a plus when a DM has a clue of what they're doing. If the PC's are as completely void of any adherence to the rules as the suggested NPC is, then they may just trash him. If not, they should stand no chance at all... and might be wise to look for a DM who uses the rules atleast a bit. Isshia Edit: I withdraw the second part of that last sentence. I guess I was just feeling pekish. Anyway, if the players are built adhering to the rules the DM does himself and his game a SEVERE dis-service by ignoring them himself. Continuity and impartiality should be considered a vital part of the DM's job description.
MJ the Prophet 07-12-05, 08:15 AM	I'm not looking at it right now, but shouldn't the first clue be a line somewhere in the prerequisites for Dweomerkeeper that says something like Patron Deity: Mystra? Hmm... "I deny the gods! All the divine powers are nothing but my tools, from which I draw energy at my whim! But not you, Lady, I promise. :D "
Carn Vandoril 07-12-05, 08:17 AM	I would suggest against this, since it is pretty much impossible for an Ur-Priest to become a Dweomerkeeper and the DM should adhere to the rules to some extent if he expects his players to. ..... Also, read the Miracle spell's description. All a Miracle does is send a request to your deity (or the power you pray to for spells) to assist you. This makes Miracle an extremely unsuitable spell for Ur-Priests. Agreed, as would I, but: as a DM you wouldn't have to explain 'how' exactly, just that 'he will try to'. As for the CR, every BBEG on his own has the chance to bite the dust in just a few rounds (or even one!), I can't see why this one is an exception. It's up to the party to get him on his own.