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danegarrett
06-01-04, 04:55 PM I have a standard 7th level party who's going to encounter a nest of wyrmling white dragons cr 1 how many should i have to make it tough

:invasion:
Fixxxer
06-01-04, 06:07 PM Well, that depends on any number of things.

1: When you say "a standard adventuring party", exactly how many of them are there and what are their classes?

2: Is this nest just a rock cave with nothing else, or are there some traps, natural pitfalls, etc involved as well?

3: Where is the dragon mother?

4: Will the party make noise enough that the wyrmlings hear them comming (and are thus, not asleep or unprepared)?

We're going to need more information than "How many CR1 creatures will it take to challenge a 7th level party?"
danegarrett
06-01-04, 06:54 PM 1. 1 bard 1 fighter 2 rogue
the dragon mother is out and wont return
there will other traps but not in the room
the wyrmlings will be prepared the party wont
Autosponge
06-01-04, 07:39 PM Strictly by the numbers, 8-11 of them are a CR7 encounter. That's way more than a brood though, so you're probably going to have to make it a pair of CR 5 or maybe at most 4 CR 3's. Just remember, when you start to outnumber them and they don't have cold resist, the PCs are going to start dying.
Fixxxer
06-01-04, 11:10 PM Originally posted by Autosponge
Strictly by the numbers, 8-11 of them are a CR7 encounter. That's way more than a brood though, so you're probably going to have to make it a pair of CR 5 or maybe at most 4 CR 3's. Just remember, when you start to outnumber them and they don't have cold resist, the PCs are going to start dying.

Not to mention that the only spellcaster they have is a bard.
MinusInnocence
06-02-04, 01:43 PM Heck, one Wyrmling in a labyrinthine ice cavern could probably give this group a run for its money. Enough to drive them away, at least. When you start talking about three or four dragons, or upping the CR by two of them to 5 or whatever... that's slaughter, especially considering the PCs aren't prepared for the conflict.

Properly played dragons are PC Killers. And no, that's not just DM Propaganda.
varder_kiften
06-02-04, 02:02 PM I'd probably go with about 2 of them.
But then add some battle challenge like
battling in a sub-zero snowstorm where the PC's take
major penaltys, or mabey roaming through
some ice caverns. Sure it's siple if you just battle on
flat terrain but that's just a normal battle, and those
get boring if overdone.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
danegarrett 06-01-04, 04:55 PM	I have a standard 7th level party who's going to encounter a nest of wyrmling white dragons cr 1 how many should i have to make it tough :invasion:
Fixxxer 06-01-04, 06:07 PM	Well, that depends on any number of things. 1: When you say "a standard adventuring party", exactly how many of them are there and what are their classes? 2: Is this nest just a rock cave with nothing else, or are there some traps, natural pitfalls, etc involved as well? 3: Where is the dragon mother? 4: Will the party make noise enough that the wyrmlings hear them comming (and are thus, not asleep or unprepared)? We're going to need more information than "How many CR1 creatures will it take to challenge a 7th level party?"
danegarrett 06-01-04, 06:54 PM	1. 1 bard 1 fighter 2 rogue the dragon mother is out and wont return there will other traps but not in the room the wyrmlings will be prepared the party wont
Autosponge 06-01-04, 07:39 PM	Strictly by the numbers, 8-11 of them are a CR7 encounter. That's way more than a brood though, so you're probably going to have to make it a pair of CR 5 or maybe at most 4 CR 3's. Just remember, when you start to outnumber them and they don't have cold resist, the PCs are going to start dying.
Fixxxer 06-01-04, 11:10 PM	Originally posted by Autosponge Strictly by the numbers, 8-11 of them are a CR7 encounter. That's way more than a brood though, so you're probably going to have to make it a pair of CR 5 or maybe at most 4 CR 3's. Just remember, when you start to outnumber them and they don't have cold resist, the PCs are going to start dying. Not to mention that the only spellcaster they have is a bard.
MinusInnocence 06-02-04, 01:43 PM	Heck, one Wyrmling in a labyrinthine ice cavern could probably give this group a run for its money. Enough to drive them away, at least. When you start talking about three or four dragons, or upping the CR by two of them to 5 or whatever... that's slaughter, especially considering the PCs aren't prepared for the conflict. Properly played dragons are PC Killers. And no, that's not just DM Propaganda.
varder_kiften 06-02-04, 02:02 PM	I'd probably go with about 2 of them. But then add some battle challenge like battling in a sub-zero snowstorm where the PC's take major penaltys, or mabey roaming through some ice caverns. Sure it's siple if you just battle on flat terrain but that's just a normal battle, and those get boring if overdone.