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interpretivechaos
06-04-06, 07:12 PM I've heard mention of using the tumble skill to make a ten foot step. I don't know where the rule is, or what the DC is.

Anyone know where I can find it?
sneak_Blast
06-04-06, 07:16 PM Oriental adventures.

DC 40 Tumble Check: Move 10ft. instead of 5ft. in a 5ft-step-action.
interpretivechaos
06-04-06, 07:23 PM Thank you very much
Crimson_Concerto
06-04-06, 09:07 PM However, it IS 3.0 and has not been reprinted, so make sure to ask you DM before pulling the scout insanity you know you want to. <_<
Fargren
06-04-06, 09:29 PM Another way to get a 10ft step is with the Elocater prestige class, in XPH.
Nakedfencer
06-05-06, 12:06 AM The PHP 3.5 says (under tumble)

Tumble DC Task
15 Treat a fall as if it were 10 feet shorter than it really
is when determining damage.
15 Tumble at one-half speed as part of normal
movement, provoking no attacks of opportunity
while doing so. Failure means you provoke attacks
of opportunity normally. Check separately for each
opponent you move past, in the order in which you
pass them (player’s choice of order in case of a tie).
Each additional enemy after the first adds +2 to the
Tumble DC.

So you can use tumble with a DC of 15 (+ any mods for difficult ground) to move at half speed, so if your base movement is 20 then you could move 10ft without provoking an attack of opportunity, which i guess would be like taking a 10ft step
zae
06-05-06, 01:17 AM I've heard that, between Elocater (which gives you an additional 5' swindle every round, IIRC), DC 40 Tumble checks (increases your swindle to 10') and some monk item (I don't know the name or any other details. Any evidence to back me up would be great) that grants another 5' swindle, you could manage 30' of free movement per round. Which would be funny, to say the least.

"I make a 30' swindle and full attack the _____!"
"I make your spring attack redundant with a pair of 15' swindles!" (or a 10 and 20, or whatever)

This would, however, require high levels, multiclassing, and use of non-updated rules.
X-Codes
06-05-06, 01:40 AM If you need that silly Tumble rule in order to get Skirmish damage on a full attack then you aren't trying hard enough. :P

Greater Manyshot (XPH) allows attacks with skirmish damage as a standard action.
Psionic Lion's Charge (XPH) and Lion's Charge (SC) allow a full attack after a charge.
Hustle (XPH) gives a bonus move action, and the Marshal (MiniHB) class can grant move actions to other characters.
Dervish (CWar) lets you make a full attack on the go with Dervish Dance.
Bounding Assault and Rapid Blitz (PHB2) give you more attacks on a Spring Attack.

I'm sure theres a few others that I don't know about as well.

EDIT: That monk item is some kind of training dummy from the A&EG. Not any better than OA, really.
kelvinaw273
06-05-06, 03:16 AM If you need that silly Tumble rule in order to get Skirmish damage on a full attack then you aren't trying hard enough. :P

Greater Manyshot (XPH) allows attacks with skirmish damage as a standard action.
Psionic Lion's Charge (XPH) and Lion's Charge (SC) allow a full attack after a charge.
Hustle (XPH) gives a bonus move action, and the Marshal (MiniHB) class can grant move actions to other characters.
Dervish (CWar) lets you make a full attack on the go with Dervish Dance.
Bounding Assault and Rapid Blitz (PHB2) give you more attacks on a Spring Attack.

I'm sure theres a few others that I don't know about as well.

EDIT: That monk item is some kind of training dummy from the A&EG. Not any better than OA, really.

.... and then run into a DM who rules that Skirmish only counts for the first attack, no matter what ... ALWAYS CHECK WITH THE DM if you go for a feat-tree with a specific disired result at the end, or be prepared to be bitterly disappointed at blowing all those feats!
tsuyoshikentsu
06-05-06, 03:30 AM and some monk item (I don't know the name or any other details. Any evidence to back me up would be great) Sparring Dummy of Somethingpranother, from Arms and Equipment Guide.
X-Codes
06-05-06, 04:05 AM .... and then run into a DM who rules that Skirmish only counts for the first attack, no matter what ... ALWAYS CHECK WITH THE DM if you go for a feat-tree with a specific disired result at the end, or be prepared to be bitterly disappointed at blowing all those feats!
If your DM rules against fun little characters that throw dicebags for damage, then play a CoDzilla, the beastly ginormous monster that throws dicebags for damage and can cast Heal.

If your DM gets mad at you, ask to retire your character and play a Scout/Ninja/Rogue without the precision-on-first-attack-only rule.
babysamurai
06-05-06, 09:08 AM Sparring Dummy of Somethingpranother, from Arms and Equipment Guide.

Yeah, that's a killer item for a Monk/Scout.

And you don't need to make the DC 40 Tumble check.
Bulletproof_Condom
06-05-06, 12:28 PM I've heard that, between Elocater (which gives you an additional 5' swindle every round, IIRC), DC 40 Tumble checks (increases your swindle to 10') and some monk item (I don't know the name or any other details. Any evidence to back me up would be great) that grants another 5' swindle, you could manage 30' of free movement per round. Which would be funny, to say the least.

"I make a 30' swindle and full attack the _____!"
"I make your spring attack redundant with a pair of 15' swindles!" (or a 10 and 20, or whatever)I'm curious as to what dialect of English you're speaking that "step (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=step)" and "swindle (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=swindle)" are interchangeable.

Anyway, yeah, it's possible to build a character that can move 30 ft' as a free action, but only if he doesn't take any real move actions that round. Take the Ki Blast feat from PHB II while you're at it.
Dag
06-06-06, 03:19 PM It's nice to see that the splat book cheese whizz factory is in high gear pumping out this nonsense for you guys.
Have fun with it, must be nice to have a push-over DM who allows such BS in his game.
WhiteRaven810
06-06-06, 04:35 PM Sparring Dummy of the Master is in the Arms and Equipment Guide and it allows a Monk who focuses his training on it to take a ten foot step after so many days of training.
Vaelan
06-06-06, 07:19 PM If you need that silly Tumble rule in order to get Skirmish damage on a full attack then you aren't trying hard enough. :P
Actually, that "silly Tumble rule" is the best way to get skirmish. Scouts get Tumble as a class skill, Dexterity is a priority, and a skill-boosting item can make this a viable option fairly early in a scout's adventuring career without detracting from skirmish progression.

All of the other options you have cited, with one exception, are worse in that they aren't as good as a full attack, have limited utility, or require you to take class levels that do not grant skirmish.

The Marshal idea is a good one, though. Leadership to get a Marshal cohort is a highly efficient alternative.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
interpretivechaos 06-04-06, 07:12 PM	I've heard mention of using the tumble skill to make a ten foot step. I don't know where the rule is, or what the DC is. Anyone know where I can find it?
sneak_Blast 06-04-06, 07:16 PM	Oriental adventures. DC 40 Tumble Check: Move 10ft. instead of 5ft. in a 5ft-step-action.
interpretivechaos 06-04-06, 07:23 PM	Thank you very much
Crimson_Concerto 06-04-06, 09:07 PM	However, it IS 3.0 and has not been reprinted, so make sure to ask you DM before pulling the scout insanity you know you want to. <_<
Fargren 06-04-06, 09:29 PM	Another way to get a 10ft step is with the Elocater prestige class, in XPH.
Nakedfencer 06-05-06, 12:06 AM	The PHP 3.5 says (under tumble) Tumble DC Task 15 Treat a fall as if it were 10 feet shorter than it really is when determining damage. 15 Tumble at one-half speed as part of normal movement, provoking no attacks of opportunity while doing so. Failure means you provoke attacks of opportunity normally. Check separately for each opponent you move past, in the order in which you pass them (player’s choice of order in case of a tie). Each additional enemy after the first adds +2 to the Tumble DC. So you can use tumble with a DC of 15 (+ any mods for difficult ground) to move at half speed, so if your base movement is 20 then you could move 10ft without provoking an attack of opportunity, which i guess would be like taking a 10ft step
zae 06-05-06, 01:17 AM	I've heard that, between Elocater (which gives you an additional 5' swindle every round, IIRC), DC 40 Tumble checks (increases your swindle to 10') and some monk item (I don't know the name or any other details. Any evidence to back me up would be great) that grants another 5' swindle, you could manage 30' of free movement per round. Which would be funny, to say the least. "I make a 30' swindle and full attack the _____!" "I make your spring attack redundant with a pair of 15' swindles!" (or a 10 and 20, or whatever) This would, however, require high levels, multiclassing, and use of non-updated rules.
X-Codes 06-05-06, 01:40 AM	If you need that silly Tumble rule in order to get Skirmish damage on a full attack then you aren't trying hard enough. :P Greater Manyshot (XPH) allows attacks with skirmish damage as a standard action. Psionic Lion's Charge (XPH) and Lion's Charge (SC) allow a full attack after a charge. Hustle (XPH) gives a bonus move action, and the Marshal (MiniHB) class can grant move actions to other characters. Dervish (CWar) lets you make a full attack on the go with Dervish Dance. Bounding Assault and Rapid Blitz (PHB2) give you more attacks on a Spring Attack. I'm sure theres a few others that I don't know about as well. EDIT: That monk item is some kind of training dummy from the A&EG. Not any better than OA, really.
kelvinaw273 06-05-06, 03:16 AM	If you need that silly Tumble rule in order to get Skirmish damage on a full attack then you aren't trying hard enough. :P Greater Manyshot (XPH) allows attacks with skirmish damage as a standard action. Psionic Lion's Charge (XPH) and Lion's Charge (SC) allow a full attack after a charge. Hustle (XPH) gives a bonus move action, and the Marshal (MiniHB) class can grant move actions to other characters. Dervish (CWar) lets you make a full attack on the go with Dervish Dance. Bounding Assault and Rapid Blitz (PHB2) give you more attacks on a Spring Attack. I'm sure theres a few others that I don't know about as well. EDIT: That monk item is some kind of training dummy from the A&EG. Not any better than OA, really. .... and then run into a DM who rules that Skirmish only counts for the first attack, no matter what ... ALWAYS CHECK WITH THE DM if you go for a feat-tree with a specific disired result at the end, or be prepared to be bitterly disappointed at blowing all those feats!
tsuyoshikentsu 06-05-06, 03:30 AM	and some monk item (I don't know the name or any other details. Any evidence to back me up would be great) Sparring Dummy of Somethingpranother, from Arms and Equipment Guide.
X-Codes 06-05-06, 04:05 AM	.... and then run into a DM who rules that Skirmish only counts for the first attack, no matter what ... ALWAYS CHECK WITH THE DM if you go for a feat-tree with a specific disired result at the end, or be prepared to be bitterly disappointed at blowing all those feats! If your DM rules against fun little characters that throw dicebags for damage, then play a CoDzilla, the beastly ginormous monster that throws dicebags for damage and can cast Heal. If your DM gets mad at you, ask to retire your character and play a Scout/Ninja/Rogue without the precision-on-first-attack-only rule.
babysamurai 06-05-06, 09:08 AM	Sparring Dummy of Somethingpranother, from Arms and Equipment Guide. Yeah, that's a killer item for a Monk/Scout. And you don't need to make the DC 40 Tumble check.
Bulletproof_Condom 06-05-06, 12:28 PM	I've heard that, between Elocater (which gives you an additional 5' swindle every round, IIRC), DC 40 Tumble checks (increases your swindle to 10') and some monk item (I don't know the name or any other details. Any evidence to back me up would be great) that grants another 5' swindle, you could manage 30' of free movement per round. Which would be funny, to say the least. "I make a 30' swindle and full attack the _____!" "I make your spring attack redundant with a pair of 15' swindles!" (or a 10 and 20, or whatever)I'm curious as to what dialect of English you're speaking that "step (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=step)" and "swindle (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=swindle)" are interchangeable. Anyway, yeah, it's possible to build a character that can move 30 ft' as a free action, but only if he doesn't take any real move actions that round. Take the Ki Blast feat from PHB II while you're at it.
Dag 06-06-06, 03:19 PM	It's nice to see that the splat book cheese whizz factory is in high gear pumping out this nonsense for you guys. Have fun with it, must be nice to have a push-over DM who allows such BS in his game.
WhiteRaven810 06-06-06, 04:35 PM	Sparring Dummy of the Master is in the Arms and Equipment Guide and it allows a Monk who focuses his training on it to take a ten foot step after so many days of training.
Vaelan 06-06-06, 07:19 PM	If you need that silly Tumble rule in order to get Skirmish damage on a full attack then you aren't trying hard enough. :P Actually, that "silly Tumble rule" is the best way to get skirmish. Scouts get Tumble as a class skill, Dexterity is a priority, and a skill-boosting item can make this a viable option fairly early in a scout's adventuring career without detracting from skirmish progression. All of the other options you have cited, with one exception, are worse in that they aren't as good as a full attack, have limited utility, or require you to take class levels that do not grant skirmish. The Marshal idea is a good one, though. Leadership to get a Marshal cohort is a highly efficient alternative.