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Gwenfloor 02-17-07, 07:41 PM	Okay, so there is this player that is known to argue with even his close friends over deals made, and when he signed up for the adventure, he agreed to take only 5% of the party's loot, as his character, a Fiendish Dread Necromancer, placed little value on material goods. Suddenly, when my character, Arkilten the Kobold Scout, is unconscious, he OOC agrees to heal my character with a Potion of Cure Light Wounds, but only if he gets 100 gold pieces, double the amount that it ordinarily costs. Whatever happened to placing little value on money?! The DM, his best friend, argued with his choices, as we are supposed to be a team. If I refused to pay him, he knocks my character out when the rest of the party is in a battle, then steals my money anyway. Now, being a Kobold, creatures that are known for grudges, I am planning on how to get back at him, as him knocking me unconscious has made me out of a good portion of the adventure, as there are no divine spellcasters in our party, and we ran out of healing potions. We have a Paladin in our party, about to turn Gray Guard, that was not present, and I plan next session on telling the Guard about his "fiendish" status if he does not give me back the gold, plus interest for emotional distress. What do you suggest about this plan, and what to do about the problem player?
Sarrazon 02-17-07, 07:49 PM	I cant give you any advice about the player (never had anyone like that), but i likes the sound of your plan.
Ace_of_Diamonds 02-17-07, 07:51 PM	http://collections.lopolis.com/images/paulmeetschair.jpg That might be about the only solution for a jerk player like that. Also, try asking him why he's being such a jerk.
Sarrazon 02-17-07, 07:52 PM	Also, try asking him why he's being such a steve. Fixt
Ace_of_Diamonds 02-17-07, 07:59 PM	Fixt Precisely.
Twin2 02-17-07, 08:02 PM	Best way to go about this is ooc first. If you go for this ic it can degenerate and if you thought the game was bad with that situation it'll get worse. If that doesn't work icly get the group to talk to him and teach him a bit about team work. If he doesn't want to play for the good of the team I don't see why the rest of you should be helping him out when he's in need of it.
High Octane 02-17-07, 08:11 PM	The CryoSilver treatment. Whoever thought he would become famous for his instructions on beating a "Steve" with a folding chair?
Serrin 02-17-07, 08:16 PM	Chairs. They win. Steves lose.
Dunsel 02-20-07, 09:23 AM	Suddenly, when my character, Arkilten the Kobold Scout, is unconscious, he OOC agrees to heal my character with a Potion of Cure Light Wounds, but only if he gets 100 gold pieces, double the amount that it ordinarily costs. Whatever happened to placing little value on money?! The DM, his best friend, argued with his choices, as we are supposed to be a team. If I refused to pay him, he knocks my character out when the rest of the party is in a battle, then steals my money anyway. Now, being a Kobold, creatures that are known for grudges, I am planning on how to get back at him, as him knocking me unconscious has made me out of a good portion of the adventure, as there are no divine spellcasters in our party, and we ran out of healing potions. We have a Paladin in our party, about to turn Gray Guard, that was not present, and I plan next session on telling the Guard about his "fiendish" status if he does not give me back the gold, plus interest for emotional distress. What do you suggest about this plan, and what to do about the problem player? First. this guy is a steve and that fact should be in your mind when you speak to him. Second. How can your character negotiate if you are unconscious? If he wants this type of deal, he should have struck it before the issue arose. Since you don't have divine healing and you are out of healing potions, you are bound to be unconscious sooner or later anyway. Since the issue is in character, he needs to make his deals in character. Third. The paladin shouldn't need to be informed of the PCs fiendish status; he should know after being in proximity to him for more than 6 seconds! My solution, let your PC go his own way and roll up a good cleric. That will switch the power to your character. Since he is fiendish, refuse to heal him.
Novabomb 02-20-07, 10:37 AM	Actually, detect evil takes 2-3 rounds to locate the source of the evil. Additionally the pal has to have said fiend in the cone effect space.
BW0222 02-20-07, 03:43 PM	Gwenfloor, Kobold: "Folks, I've gathered everyone together to discuss a problem with the party. During our last adventure I went down in the fight. When I came to, the necromancer said I owed him 100gp. When I refused to pay him, he knocked me unconcious and when I woke I had no money. Since I can no longer trust him with my life, I'd like to hold a vote on whether we should allow him to travel with us anymore. If the group should vote to keep him, I will be leaving. I can't trust either my life or the lives of my friends to this lunatic. We've all shed blood together and while I am just a lowly kobold, I've never lied, attacked, or stolen from you folks. You know that you can trust me with your lives. So... I vote he's out of the party. Anyone else?" Honestly, no one would willing adventure with folks who would threaten, attack, or steal from them.
goblin_pride 02-20-07, 03:58 PM	You're a bloody kobold, slit his throat while he's sleeping and be done with it. No wonder you lot are so bloody annoying. Although I do wonder how it is a Pallydingaling came to be in the company of a fiendish dread necromancer and a kobold in the first place. And following that thought, why isn't his radar pinging off on you lot?
snakeman830 02-20-07, 04:31 PM	kobolds are one thing. I've seen some kobold palidans (not mine). However, the fiendish dread necromancer should by keeping your pally up at night, debating if killing him would uphold his code or violate it. But I like the slit-the-throat idea.
Dragoloth 02-20-07, 10:03 PM	KILL STEVE NOW! Well actually just his character. I would coup de gras him in his sleep and loot the corpse. This can have negative effects to group harmony but so can being a Steve.
ZolDarklock 02-21-07, 01:07 AM	hmmm chair looks plastic, me thinks the steve in that pic is gonna wipe the floor with the moron with the plastic chair now you want revenge because he wants the cost plus 50 gp for the potion, thats normal the potion might only cost 50 gp, but getting it requires time and effort to replace, and the player is only getting 5% of the take, seems the % of the take he's already giving up to you and the others will always far exceed any amount he charges... reality check hurts doesn't it, forgods sake be a real man and pay him his rightful due, of course you could always give him an equal share of the take, but hey that would be the fair thing to do, and we know you don't want him to have a fair share, because that will come out of your pocket, and that 50gp some-what of a poor profit will look mighty pathetic compared to what his true fare share would be...
ElberethSilverleaf 02-21-07, 01:40 AM	RPing is supposed to be a time of fun. The moment the guy knocked out my character I would have stood up, thanked whoever was hosting the game and told everyone except the "friend" goodbye. Then I would have gone home. I'm not trying to be insulting but this person sounds like an immature jerk. This is one reason I refuse to play in campaigns with evil characters unless I really know everyone. There's always some idiot who thinks being evil means it's acceptable for him to screw another party member over. I can't imagine why someone would agree to only 5% but a deals a deal. There shouldn't have been any haggling about prices while you were knocked out. Why haven't the rest of the party members done anything or do they think what he did is ok? Everyone who disagrees with his actions should refuse to play with him. I wouldn't go back to the game until the DM resolves the situation as technically he's the arbiter.
Fireclave 02-21-07, 01:42 AM	hmmm chair looks plastic, me thinks the steve in that pic is gonna wipe the floor with the moron with the plastic chair I dunno...that chair looks pretty vorpal to me :plotting: I have to side with BW0222's solution. Though I normally prefer to employ the diplomatic route first.
mearrin69 02-21-07, 01:42 AM	Good point, that. Even if I'm playing a good character and only getting five percent of the cut you can bet I'm going to charge you 'pack rates' for using MY healing potions. And, if not so good, I'd probably knock you about the head if you refused to pay up after I saved your scaly butt. Seems not so unreasonable. Am I reading it incorrectly? Bigger problem seems to lie with your DM and the group he has allowed to form. I'd stick with groups of people that would naturally tend to form adventuring parties - at least unless I intended for some interesting group dynamics to play out. M
ElberethSilverleaf 02-21-07, 01:54 AM	A question I forgot to as was: Did you agree to pay what he was asking and then refused to pay up after he healed you? If so then you welched on a deal and deserved a good thumping...my CG Sun Elf priest would have done the same thing. Theres nothing wrong with demanding a profit, considering you would be using HIS healing potions. If the situation was as you say though then you have a valid grievance.
On_the_wings_of_TPK 02-21-07, 03:00 AM	Perhaps he changed his mind about the material posion thing, and is no longer happy with only 5% of the take from adventuring? And agian did you agree to pay him the 100gp? And finally, this is a game, what the hell 'emotional' disstress is there? I chaarcter, I hardly think the American tort system exsists, so were the hell is this emotional distress = money crap coming from? Seriousely your an adventurer, what you do you sue the BBEG instead of smite it now too? Maybe charge the Red dragon with willful destruction of porperty, then seek civil action for wrongful death? My advice is for both of you to grow up and quiet being putz's.
ElberethSilverleaf 02-21-07, 03:22 AM	TPK, I check the OP after reading your post and I couldn't believe I missed the "emotional distress" part. Gwenfloor you're playing a koblod who expects compensation for emotional distress??? I started out sympathetic to you but I have to agree with On_the_wings_of_TPK .
Gwenfloor 02-21-07, 03:32 AM	First. this guy is a steve and that fact should be in your mind when you speak to him. Second. How can your character negotiate if you are unconscious? If he wants this type of deal, he should have struck it before the issue arose. Since you don't have divine healing and you are out of healing potions, you are bound to be unconscious sooner or later anyway. Since the issue is in character, he needs to make his deals in character. Third. The paladin shouldn't need to be informed of the PCs fiendish status; he should know after being in proximity to him for more than 6 seconds! My solution, let your PC go his own way and roll up a good cleric. That will switch the power to your character. Since he is fiendish, refuse to heal him. He was in a game session before the new player joined. The Paladin and Fiend did not meet yet.
Gwenfloor 02-21-07, 03:36 AM	A question I forgot to as was: Did you agree to pay what he was asking and then refused to pay up after he healed you? If so then you welched on a deal and deserved a good thumping...my CG Sun Elf priest would have done the same thing. Theres nothing wrong with demanding a profit, considering you would be using HIS healing potions. If the situation was as you say though then you have a valid grievance. No, I did not agree to pay it, and I said that I will not buy the healing potion if he charges it that much. He knocks me out and takes my money. The DM is his friend, and I wanted to throw him out, being that the game was being played at my house. My opinion is that a jerk's a jerk, even if he is the DM's friend.
On_the_wings_of_TPK 02-21-07, 03:41 AM	Have you asked what the rest of the group thinks? If you really don't what the other player in your house maybe a change of venue is in order? You, alone should not be able to dictate who does, and does not play in the group. That's being an asshat on your part. To use your "I'm the host" crap to that end is: highhanded, and immature. In short being a steve.
Serrin 02-21-07, 03:56 AM	Yeah, exploiting your position as the host is a Steve thing to do. I'd call it about a 3 on the Steve-o-meter. On the other hand, a guy who doesn't want money and agreeing to take a 5% cut somehow haggling with a guy who's unconscious about the price of pouring a healing potion in his mouth, then (threatening?) to knock him out later and just take all his money...that's like 8.5 Steveons/inch^3. Take advice from someone's sig: Bad D&D is not better than no D&D.
ElberethSilverleaf 02-21-07, 04:18 AM	I wouldn't play anymore if he's going to be there. If you absolutely must stay with this group as you don't have any other options you should appear to suck it in and let the matter drop. Then when the party is sleeping you hand the DM a note explaining how you have cut this guys throat while he is sleeping. Then strip his body of every valuable item. A DM who is going to allow you to be bonked in the head and robbed by another player logically has to allow you to do this to the other guy. There is no logical way for him to keep you from doing this as he has already ok'd player vs. player violence. If he refuses then he is an idiot and you should leave the group. I'm both a player & a DM. When I run a campaign I straight-up tell every one that there won't be any evil characters or player vs player violence. I explain that it's too easy for it to get out of hand, people start getting pi*sed off and stop having fun. I'm not a heavy handed DM, I just don't tolerate immature B.S.
Gwenfloor 02-21-07, 04:19 AM	Have you asked what the rest of the group thinks? If you really don't what the other player in your house maybe a change of venue is in order? You, alone should not be able to dictate who does, and does not play in the group. That's being an asshat on your part. To use your "I'm the host" crap to that end is: highhanded, and immature. In short being a steve. I know. I was wrong in the "I'm the host" part. Instead of thinking to kick him out, I will talk it through with him and the DM.
Yokomohoyo 02-21-07, 04:24 AM	The DM is his friend, and I wanted to throw him out, being that the game was being played at my house. My opinion is that a jerk's a jerk, even if he is the DM's friend. At that moment you should have saud: "The DM asked you to leave; so please vacate my house or I will call the cops and charge you with tresspassing."
Fend 02-21-07, 07:25 AM	hrmm... it sounds to me like he just took a moment to consider a nice evil way to make money. its not so much about the gold. i mean its perfectly within his rights to ask for more money ... specially if hes evil and a necromancer... If he was a good char then id definantly say that was jerkish. but hes evil, and being evil is usually a good excuse to act like a steve. which is why i dont "encourage' evil in my campaigns... tho i dont mind if 1 or 2 players choose to go evil, but only if i trust them not to abuse the choice, or if it just fits their personality better. we once had a cleric who bought a fresh Wand of cure light wounds, and divided its cost by 55 (its full charges) - rounded it up to an even number and asked that he receive that amount of gold per use of the wand to invest in eventually buying a new wand. keeping the profits for himself :) its just like running a buisness... tho i will admit its an abuse of position for a healer to be doing that... tho this guy was a dread necromancer and Evil...so he never "had" to help you in the first place. even if it was team work... evil people dont usually like working in a team if it doesnt benefit them in some way anyway. *shrugs*
On_the_wings_of_TPK 02-21-07, 10:47 AM	I know. I was wrong in the "I'm the host" part. Instead of thinking to kick him out, I will talk it through with him and the DM. Best advice on this entire thread. Do this. (yes I am aware that this is the OP.)
Gwenfloor 02-21-07, 04:31 PM	He is being unpredictable, and if you expect to sign a contract, verbal or otherwise, not filling your end of the bargain is seen as an act that makes you an untrustworthy adventurer.
Gwenfloor 02-21-07, 09:30 PM	Personally, I have made a conclusion. Even though I am just a player, it is my house, I am taking 5 hours out of my day to provide food and entertainment, so I will warn him that if it ever happens again, either that player or me is leaving the group.