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Sucineri 04-12-04, 06:15 AM	Okay I am all confuseled and stuff when it comes to what stacks with what..here's the scenario.. I am playing a level 12 (ecl 13) Half-Ogre (Savage Species..endish of book) Monk with the Vow of Peace and Vow of Poverty (Both from Book of Exalted Deeds). Being a Half-Ogre gives +4 Natural Armor Bonus. Being a Half-Ogre gives -1 Size Penalty. Being a Monk gives +2 AC bonus (from levels) Dexterity gives +3 Dex Bonus (16). Wisdom gives +2 Misc Bonus (14). Vow of Peace gives +4 Natural Armor Bonus (+2 by poverty) Vow of Peace gives +4 Deflection Bonus (+2 by poverty) Vow of Peace gives +4 Exalted Bonus (+2 by poverty) Vow of Poverty gives +8 Exalted Bonus (from levels) Vow of Poverty gives +2 Deflection Bonus (from levels) Vow of Poverty gives +1 Natural Armor Bonus (from levels) Normally the bonuses for Vow of Peace are +2 but if I have Vow of Poverty the bonuses increase to +4..and you get more and more bonuses based on what your character level is when you have the Vow of Poverty..and the Exalted bonus says it does not stack if you have a normal armor bonus..and since I am playing a monk then I don't have an armor bonus..but these are two different feats and one's bonuses are upped just by having the other.. I ended up with like 47 AC out of all that stuff..though now I can't find 4 of the AC/Exalted bonus I should have gotten.. 10+18(exalted/ac)+0(shield)+3(dex)-1(size)+9(nat)+6(deflect)+2(wis) to equal 47 AC total..as well as having a DR of 5/magic. Did I go wrong somewhere in there? I feel I did but I can't tell..mostly because of the 2 feats mentioning eachother making me think I get bonuses of both.
rogue_lettuce 04-12-04, 06:33 AM	I cant even begin to contemplate that, but just to tell you we're all in the same boat... My DM fudged a few prereqs, etc, but look at this... LVL3/1/2 (ECL8) Half-Celestial/Half-Aasimar Paladin/Monk/Risen Martyr. Vow of Poverty, Vow of Peace, +1 Nat armour, Wis+2, Deflection (Charisma)+10, Dex+5, No armour, etc, no class bonus from monk. Anybody help me figure out my AC? I believe the Vows give me a +5 to nat armour, and the Half celestial has a +1, so that's +6? and my deflection bonus from risen Martyr is +10, so that's +16. Then i've got my misc wis bonus, +2, for +18. Add in my Dex,+5, and get +23. Then if you add my Vow of poverty/peace bonuses.... The deflection from the vows doesn't stack, does it? so no bonus there, since my +10 is already highest. Then the Exalted I think stacks, but I'm not sure, so that would be a +9, for a total of +31, or an AC of 41. :censored::censored::censored::censored: , and I'm lvl 6!:eek: (ECL 8 though...) And my lowest save is +16(twice my ECL)!!! Oh the joys of fudging races to get +10 Cha for a Pally, coupled with high ability rolls:D
username_in_use 04-12-04, 06:47 AM	As a general rule a bonus does not stack with another bonus of the same name. In regards to the half-ogre that would give an ac of: 10+4(Natural)-1(Size)+2(Monk levels)+3(Dex)+2(Wis)+4(Deflection)+8(Ex alted) = 32 Since i don't know the exact nature of the bonuses i could be wrong.
pog 04-12-04, 09:53 AM	VoPov and VoPeace have been discussed quite thoroughly on the Exalted Deeds Forum. As a general rule bonuses of the same type do not stack ( i.e a +2 exalted bonus from one source and a +3 exalted bonus from another source would result in only a total +3 exalted bonus ). The exceptions to this rule are circumstance and dodge bonuses. Looking at VoPeace ( I realise this only in my opinion - the wording is somewhat ambigous ) - +2 nat arm / + 2 deflection / +2 exalted. Since these are the same type as those given by VoPov they do not stack. However, VoPeace notes that these type bonuses granted by VoPov increase by +2. The VoPeace does not grant AC bonuses which stack with VoPov, but it does increase the AC bonuses granted by VoPov. Does that make sense? Ex: Level 12 VoPov = +8 axalted AC bonus; yet with VoPeace this becomes +10. Likewise, VoPov = +2 defelction, with VoPeace = +4. To work out your character's AC then: i) +7 nat ( +4 from race / +3 from VoPov with VoPeace ) ii) -1 size iii) +2 monk iv) +3 Dex v) +2 unnamed Monk Wis vi) +4 deflection ( VoPov with VoPeace ) vii) +10 exalted ( VoPov with VoPeace ) Total = 10 + 27 = 37AC
pog 04-12-04, 10:17 AM	Regarding the Half-Celestial character .... First, I'm not entirely sure you can be half-celstial / aasmiar + risen martyr ( I think it depends upon whether the character has a native subtype as to whether they can be raised, though a risen martyr relies on divine intervention which can raise even outsiders - I haven't checked this, though someone might want to ). Assuming your DM has ok'd this ( hmmmm..... ) then AC can be worked out: i) +4 nat armour ( +3 VoPov with VoPeace / +1 race ) ii) +2 unnamed monk Wis bonus iii) +5 Dex iv) +10 deflection ( CHA from Martyr class ) v) +8 exalted ( VoPov 6th level with VoPeace ) Total: 10 + 29 = 39AC
pog 04-12-04, 10:28 AM	If someone wants a really sill AC work-it-out challenge how about: A Saint ( +2LA ) / Nymph ( +7LA ) / Monk 1 / Druid 15 with a WIS of 26 and a CHA of 26, with feats: VoPov, VoPeace, Dodge. Has Wildshaped into a Treant form with 8 DEX and +13 Nat Armour, Huge size. Has also cast Cat's Grace upon herself. What is this characters total AC?