All 14s. Race and Class Please [Archive] - Wizards Community

All 14s. Race and Class Please [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Bob the level 1 Fighter
11-06-04, 05:59 PM Ok so I found a new group and we used 4d6 drop the lowest in any order for our characters. I have not disided on race or class yet for this reason. I rolled these stats. We start at level 4 so any race with +3 LA or lower is acceptable. What do you people think is the idea race and class for me to take?

Str: 14
Dex: 14
Con: 14
Int: 14
Wis: 14
Cha: 14
Neerie
11-06-04, 06:09 PM Well with these stats... anything you want and that the DM will allow really.
Bob the level 1 Fighter
11-06-04, 06:11 PM But without a huge LA with those mental stats I'm unwilling to play a caster due to low spell DCs, I origonaly intended on playing one so I dont have any idea right now.
BOK2
11-06-04, 06:22 PM A half-orc barbarian/fighter with monkey grip feat and a large greatsword :)
Morwen
11-06-04, 06:26 PM You could play a Paladin. Paladins tend to like ability scores that are spread out a bit.. You would want a race that adds to charisma and wisdom though. Perhaps Aasimar? They get +2 to each.
hiryuu
11-06-04, 06:28 PM That's a human monk if'n I ever saw it.
Bob the level 1 Fighter
11-06-04, 06:31 PM Aasimar Paladin or Monk I think would be good I think, I do some builds and post them to see if they are any good. thanks.
Uber Goblin
11-06-04, 06:49 PM Since you wanted a caster why not scrap the whole set of stats and roll till you get a high score of 16+?

That’s assuming you’re not playing iron man and you HAVE to keep those. Assuming that I would go with a rouge/monk combination for a ninja like character. Then take a Githzeri as a level 2 modification turning that 14 dex into a 20 dex from their +6 to dex.

Watch out though, they have enemies, and a smart dm will put an mind flayer or githyanki into your campaign

If you are playing forgotten realms look for lifted multiclass restrictions for the monks of specific monastic orders. You might find one that lifts the multiclassing restrictions of the monk when combined with a rouge, if not you might be able to convince your dm with a detailed character background.
ck2001wendt
11-06-04, 06:50 PM You've got the MA do deal with MAD issue...this screams Monk or Paladin...
Jell_Moo
11-06-04, 07:18 PM Step 1 - Stay away from Wizard, Cleric or Sorcerer.

Step 2 - A druid is do-able. Not ideal, but if you have your heart set on it, it could work.

Step 3 - Monk or Paladin are good choices. If push came to shove, I would say Monk over Paladin.

Step 4 - If it were me, that would so totally be a Bard. Bards are much more MAD than most people think, but at the same time don't need any 1 great score. All 14's is perfect Bard support territory.

Race wise, forget about anything with a LA. It'll hurt you too much. Human is the way to go here. Extra feat and skill points (9 skill points per level is pretty darn sweet), and you have a kick ass Bard.
allenchan
11-06-04, 07:22 PM Monk.
Or rogues, rogues can be very MAD, they use pretty much every stat.
Not a big fan of paladins, but certainly doable as well.
Stuntman
11-06-04, 07:29 PM I think that anything except for a single class, primary caster (wizard, sorcerer, druid, cleric, psion, wilder) would be OK. A multiclass of a primary caster would be OK too except for two primary casters. I'd love those stats for a fighter/sorcerer/spellsword.
trapspringer
11-06-04, 08:17 PM ONLY playable with those stats: Monk.
Well played with those stats: Bard, Battle Sorcerer (UA), Favored Soul, Paladin.
Kadasbrass
11-06-04, 09:30 PM Could make use out of Hexblade from Complete Warrior, Does grant some bonus feats at 5,10,15,20, that can be put into spell focus, or you could go into benefical spells so DC is not important.

So that you know, Hexblade is more of a arcane version of a paladin, but cannot be good (can be anything else tho).
Palin the Wizard
11-06-04, 09:36 PM A Tiefling Wizard would be doable... or a sorcerer, cleric or druid Aasimar.
I'd do a Tiefling Rogue/Monk, I think, with those stats.
Tehril
11-06-04, 10:22 PM Human or half elven ranger.

Really.
magicbehere
11-06-04, 10:43 PM Be a Human Fighter 4 and use a spiked chain to trip.
Shard of Suzail
11-06-04, 11:08 PM Well, i play a cleric with a wisdom of 14 and i`m doing fine. Heck most of my stats are 10 or 12. Still, with those stats you would make a great caster.

Nobody should dismiss a 14 in a stat, its a good stat.
Insane Pixie
11-07-04, 02:08 PM Human Half-Dragon Fighter...with a spiked chain to trip.
Crunchy Frog
11-07-04, 05:42 PM My choices:
1. Monk
2. Paladin
3. Bard

All of these classes benefit from above-average scores in nearly all stats. Monks don't need CHA so much. Bards don't need WIS so much. Paladins aren't dependent on INT, and if they wear heavy armor, don't benefit from DEX above 12/13. But all the other 14's are very useful.
Wolf72
11-07-04, 07:09 PM use the Draconic Template from The Draconomicon ... no resistances, but same LA as aasimar/tiefling (+1)

str, con, chr: +2

that'll give you 3 16's and 3 14's ... more (and less) if go with elf/dwarf/halfling/ etc ...

and you get a claws.
fractal
11-07-04, 07:21 PM Something like a Halfling Rogue could work pretty well with those stats too. Those solid stat bonuses would make you quite competent in whichever skills you chose.
Ongorth
11-07-04, 10:40 PM That is so Gnome (Urban) Ranger, it boggles my mind as to how no one has said it.
Snommelp
11-07-04, 10:58 PM From the diversity of the answers so far, you could easily be anythin with those stats, but if it was me I would be a human rogue or bard.
Vintar
11-07-04, 11:20 PM Go with a Githzerai monk if you want a funky race. One of the few +2 LA races that I personally think is really worth it. Put your dex up to 20 and Wis up to 16. Plus an extra +4 psycic armor. Plus some spell resistence (not all that much though - but still better than nothing) Plus psycic abilities. Only drawback is -2 to Int and of course the +2 LA.
amethal
11-08-04, 06:25 AM I agree with Shard of Suzail, tha 14 is fine for a caster.

However, you could play a Grey Elf wizard
(Grey Elves get +2 Dex, +2 Int, -2 Con, -2 Str I think)

If you have Unearthed Arcana, Elf or Human paragon would also enable you to have a +2 boost to either Int (Elf) or any one ability score (Human) at the cost of 1 caster level (although paragon classes also have other benefits).
danielinthewolvesden
11-08-04, 11:32 AM I recommend against any race with an LA+2 or higher. The loss of hit points and ranks in skills is hard to make up for, and you'll never make up for the loss of "hit dice". Just wait until the BBEG cast "Blasphemy" and you're 2 or 3 hit dice lower than the rest of the party. Bye-bye! :ghosted:

Monk or Paladin- those are good choices. For the paladin, Aasimar is a reasonable idea. For the Monk- Buomman* from Planar handbook, if you can get it.

*(+2 wis, -2 cha, and La+0, not to mention a few other things)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Bob the level 1 Fighter 11-06-04, 05:59 PM	Ok so I found a new group and we used 4d6 drop the lowest in any order for our characters. I have not disided on race or class yet for this reason. I rolled these stats. We start at level 4 so any race with +3 LA or lower is acceptable. What do you people think is the idea race and class for me to take? Str: 14 Dex: 14 Con: 14 Int: 14 Wis: 14 Cha: 14
Neerie 11-06-04, 06:09 PM	Well with these stats... anything you want and that the DM will allow really.
Bob the level 1 Fighter 11-06-04, 06:11 PM	But without a huge LA with those mental stats I'm unwilling to play a caster due to low spell DCs, I origonaly intended on playing one so I dont have any idea right now.
BOK2 11-06-04, 06:22 PM	A half-orc barbarian/fighter with monkey grip feat and a large greatsword :)
Morwen 11-06-04, 06:26 PM	You could play a Paladin. Paladins tend to like ability scores that are spread out a bit.. You would want a race that adds to charisma and wisdom though. Perhaps Aasimar? They get +2 to each.
hiryuu 11-06-04, 06:28 PM	That's a human monk if'n I ever saw it.
Bob the level 1 Fighter 11-06-04, 06:31 PM	Aasimar Paladin or Monk I think would be good I think, I do some builds and post them to see if they are any good. thanks.
Uber Goblin 11-06-04, 06:49 PM	Since you wanted a caster why not scrap the whole set of stats and roll till you get a high score of 16+? That’s assuming you’re not playing iron man and you HAVE to keep those. Assuming that I would go with a rouge/monk combination for a ninja like character. Then take a Githzeri as a level 2 modification turning that 14 dex into a 20 dex from their +6 to dex. Watch out though, they have enemies, and a smart dm will put an mind flayer or githyanki into your campaign If you are playing forgotten realms look for lifted multiclass restrictions for the monks of specific monastic orders. You might find one that lifts the multiclassing restrictions of the monk when combined with a rouge, if not you might be able to convince your dm with a detailed character background.
ck2001wendt 11-06-04, 06:50 PM	You've got the MA do deal with MAD issue...this screams Monk or Paladin...
Jell_Moo 11-06-04, 07:18 PM	Step 1 - Stay away from Wizard, Cleric or Sorcerer. Step 2 - A druid is do-able. Not ideal, but if you have your heart set on it, it could work. Step 3 - Monk or Paladin are good choices. If push came to shove, I would say Monk over Paladin. Step 4 - If it were me, that would so totally be a Bard. Bards are much more MAD than most people think, but at the same time don't need any 1 great score. All 14's is perfect Bard support territory. Race wise, forget about anything with a LA. It'll hurt you too much. Human is the way to go here. Extra feat and skill points (9 skill points per level is pretty darn sweet), and you have a kick ass Bard.
allenchan 11-06-04, 07:22 PM	Monk. Or rogues, rogues can be very MAD, they use pretty much every stat. Not a big fan of paladins, but certainly doable as well.
Stuntman 11-06-04, 07:29 PM	I think that anything except for a single class, primary caster (wizard, sorcerer, druid, cleric, psion, wilder) would be OK. A multiclass of a primary caster would be OK too except for two primary casters. I'd love those stats for a fighter/sorcerer/spellsword.
trapspringer 11-06-04, 08:17 PM	ONLY playable with those stats: Monk. Well played with those stats: Bard, Battle Sorcerer (UA), Favored Soul, Paladin.
Kadasbrass 11-06-04, 09:30 PM	Could make use out of Hexblade from Complete Warrior, Does grant some bonus feats at 5,10,15,20, that can be put into spell focus, or you could go into benefical spells so DC is not important. So that you know, Hexblade is more of a arcane version of a paladin, but cannot be good (can be anything else tho).
Palin the Wizard 11-06-04, 09:36 PM	A Tiefling Wizard would be doable... or a sorcerer, cleric or druid Aasimar. I'd do a Tiefling Rogue/Monk, I think, with those stats.
Tehril 11-06-04, 10:22 PM	Human or half elven ranger. Really.
magicbehere 11-06-04, 10:43 PM	Be a Human Fighter 4 and use a spiked chain to trip.
Shard of Suzail 11-06-04, 11:08 PM	Well, i play a cleric with a wisdom of 14 and i`m doing fine. Heck most of my stats are 10 or 12. Still, with those stats you would make a great caster. Nobody should dismiss a 14 in a stat, its a good stat.
Insane Pixie 11-07-04, 02:08 PM	Human Half-Dragon Fighter...with a spiked chain to trip.
Crunchy Frog 11-07-04, 05:42 PM	My choices: 1. Monk 2. Paladin 3. Bard All of these classes benefit from above-average scores in nearly all stats. Monks don't need CHA so much. Bards don't need WIS so much. Paladins aren't dependent on INT, and if they wear heavy armor, don't benefit from DEX above 12/13. But all the other 14's are very useful.
Wolf72 11-07-04, 07:09 PM	use the Draconic Template from The Draconomicon ... no resistances, but same LA as aasimar/tiefling (+1) str, con, chr: +2 that'll give you 3 16's and 3 14's ... more (and less) if go with elf/dwarf/halfling/ etc ... and you get a claws.
fractal 11-07-04, 07:21 PM	Something like a Halfling Rogue could work pretty well with those stats too. Those solid stat bonuses would make you quite competent in whichever skills you chose.
Ongorth 11-07-04, 10:40 PM	That is so Gnome (Urban) Ranger, it boggles my mind as to how no one has said it.
Snommelp 11-07-04, 10:58 PM	From the diversity of the answers so far, you could easily be anythin with those stats, but if it was me I would be a human rogue or bard.
Vintar 11-07-04, 11:20 PM	Go with a Githzerai monk if you want a funky race. One of the few +2 LA races that I personally think is really worth it. Put your dex up to 20 and Wis up to 16. Plus an extra +4 psycic armor. Plus some spell resistence (not all that much though - but still better than nothing) Plus psycic abilities. Only drawback is -2 to Int and of course the +2 LA.
amethal 11-08-04, 06:25 AM	I agree with Shard of Suzail, tha 14 is fine for a caster. However, you could play a Grey Elf wizard (Grey Elves get +2 Dex, +2 Int, -2 Con, -2 Str I think) If you have Unearthed Arcana, Elf or Human paragon would also enable you to have a +2 boost to either Int (Elf) or any one ability score (Human) at the cost of 1 caster level (although paragon classes also have other benefits).
danielinthewolvesden 11-08-04, 11:32 AM	I recommend against any race with an LA+2 or higher. The loss of hit points and ranks in skills is hard to make up for, and you'll never make up for the loss of "hit dice". Just wait until the BBEG cast "Blasphemy" and you're 2 or 3 hit dice lower than the rest of the party. Bye-bye! :ghosted: Monk or Paladin- those are good choices. For the paladin, Aasimar is a reasonable idea. For the Monk- Buomman* from Planar handbook, if you can get it. *(+2 wis, -2 cha, and La+0, not to mention a few other things)