Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Master_of_Rouges 12-31-07, 01:53 PM	Ok my friend is playing DnD with me and he roled a backup charcter so if he died he could use that one well he made a bad a cleric that is brothers with my backup. And he wants to switch out so he can play his cleric instead i said why not wait and see if you cant do anything with your other one but he insisted on playing his cleric so my DM said he could probably switch so is my DM making a good choice or a bad one???
Einvaldurinn_mikli 12-31-07, 02:01 PM	I'm sorry. I don't speak your language. Now, in a non mocking manner, no I don't think so. As long as the player wants to play the cleric, he should be allowed too.(As long as it doesn't negatively impact the fun of the other players that is) So what if he's playing a weak cleric? Who cares? As long as he has fun and doesn't whine about being weak, he should be allowed to play his cleric.
Master_of_Rouges 12-31-07, 02:03 PM	I'm sorry. I don't speak your language. Now, in a non mocking manner, no I don't think so. As long as the player wants to play the cleric, he should be allowed too.(As long as it doesn't negatively impact the fun of the other players that is) So what if he's playing a weak cleric? Who cares? As long as he has fun and doesn't whine about being weak, he should be allowed to play his cleric. well i was just wondering since his cleric would be one lvl lower and the party would over power him and him not having a good time playing DnD but thanks for the advice and no offense taken
Einvaldurinn_mikli 12-31-07, 02:10 PM	Actually mate, he's playing a cleric. As long as his build doesn't suck hard, he will likely be the most powerful member of the party. And due to the way the XP system works, he will catch up relatively quickly levels wise. I just assumed he'd been taking feats like stealthy and negotiator. If that's not true, he should be very powerful.
kelcimer 12-31-07, 02:48 PM	Perhaps you should see about learning something about punctuation, sentence structure, and communicating clearly.
Count Arioch the 28th 12-31-07, 03:09 PM	Also, "rouge" is red cosmetic applied to the cheeks.
TheEndIsNear 12-31-07, 03:25 PM	Do you know why? Cause rouge is red in french! Duh:P D-End:D
Dravda 12-31-07, 08:02 PM	Translation: Ok my friend is playing DnD with me and he rolled a backup character so if he died he could use that one. Well, he made a bad [weak, presumably] cleric that is brothers with my backup. And he wants to switch out so he can play his cleric instead! I said, "Why not wait and see if you cant do anything with your other one?", but he insisted on playing his cleric so my DM said he could probably switch. So is my DM making a good choice or a bad one??? -Count Dravda
Kapalen 12-31-07, 08:43 PM	Perhaps you should see about learning something about punctuation, sentence structure, and communicating clearly. Perhaps you should learn about contributing to the topic at hand, he may well have extensive punctuation knowledge but can't type well. Oh and learn about not being a jerk. Anyway, as someone who switches characters often, I've never had any bad come of it. Plus, who complains about getting a cleric in the party?
BrianMc223 12-31-07, 09:04 PM	Someone must have spent a couple of skill points on undercommon.
danielinthewolvesden 12-31-07, 09:38 PM	Let us put it nicely. Op, we want to help you, truely we do. But we will do much better at helping if we understand your problem. So take your post, and "cut". "Paste" into a blank Word doc, then Spell & Grammar check. Cut, hit edit here on your post, then paste the new & improved post back. While you are there in Word, why not add some more info and details, OK? Thanks.
Tequila_Sunrise 01-01-08, 12:01 AM	Let us put it nicely. Op, we want to help you, truely we do. But we will do much better at helping if we understand your problem. So take your post, and "cut". "Paste" into a blank Word doc, then Spell & Grammar check. Cut, hit edit here on your post, then paste the new & improved post back. While you are there in Word, why not add some more info and details, OK? Thanks. Seconded. We can't help you if we have to guess what you mean.
Ayra 01-01-08, 12:58 AM	I don't see what everyone's problem is. It may not be as easy to understand as most posts, but I can understand it clearly and I can't understand why these comments insulting his grammar and spelling are necessary. On to the matter of the topic: I don't think your DM is wrong. Just keep an eye out that he doesn't keep switching characters. Clerics are known to be pretty strong characters anyway, so he's safe on that as said before.
Blue Paladin 01-03-08, 01:24 PM	The problem with the grammar/lack of punctuation is that it requires a significant effort on the part of the reader to infer OP's intentions. The original term OP used to describe the cleric is "bad a"; this could be interpreted as a typo meaning [inferior], or as an attempt to circumvent profanity filter [disobedient donkey]. The conclusions are quite nearly exactly opposite, and depend entirely on the reader. Without a meaningful grammar context, it is impossible to say either way. I presume that OP intended to say the back-up cleric is the stronger choice, thus his friend's desire to play the cleric instead of the original character. This impacts OP as the cleric was designed as the brother to OP's own backup; this leads OP to feel he "must" also switch characters, as the characters were created in tandem. Assuming my reading of the situation is correct, my advice is that he ignore what his friend does (switch or don't) and make his own choice. Finally, it is the DM's prerogative to allow or disallow such changes. Nothing we say on this board qualifies the decision as right, or condemns the decision as wrong.
HermitIX 01-03-08, 02:26 PM	“Bad” could also mean evil cleric. I usually discourage most players from playing evil characters. Only because it’s hard to balance evil with playing well with others. If this is the first time your friend is switching characters then I personally don’t see a problem with it. I would raise an eyebrow if he switched every other game though. And, because no one else has done it and it is REALLY bothering me… Alright, is my DM making the wrong move or not?
metalmayhem80110 01-04-08, 04:54 AM	Ok, so nobody can compain about it anymore. This is his situation - One of the players in the group rolled up another character. He decided he liked this character, so he wants to play it instead of the one he has now. He asked the DM and the DM said he could bring his new character in. The OP wants to know if this is a mistake on the DM's part or not. I don't think that it's a mistake to let somebody play what they want to play. I mean this is just a game for fun, and if this will let the player have fun, so be it.
BoringInfoGuy 01-04-08, 02:24 PM	I think I may have just helped his friend make that cleric. . . In this situation, it sounds like a group of new players. Possibly a new DM as well. At this point, I would suggest that the DM go ahead and let players switch out characters and get an idea of what they enjoy playing. It can take a while for a player to discover what is fun to play, as opposed to what sounded fun. Of course, down the road, constantly wanting to change to a new character is disruptive for the group. A character shouldn't be treated as a flavor of the week. Once you've found a character that is fun to play, you should stick with it. At least for that campaign.
Elsydeon 01-04-08, 03:34 PM	As an attempt to slightly stray from the norm, I once rolled a bard. I hated him. I rolled a new character, talked to the DM, and created a cool death for the old one. It played out better than we expected (one of the other players thought they did the killing), I swapped characters, and now I'm happy. My question to the OP is "How is it any of your business?"
John Paul Stoddard 01-05-08, 02:31 PM	As a Dm I do not allow switching of characters So In my Campaign and Game style: YES He is Wrong to allow it.
BoringInfoGuy 01-07-08, 04:40 PM	As a Dm I do not allow switching of characters So In my Campaign and Game style: YES He is Wrong to allow it. I'm curious. If you found out that a player was truly not enjoying playing because of his character, you would force him to keep using the same character regardless?
CryoSilver 01-07-08, 04:45 PM	As a DM, I'd find a way to work in this swap-out if the player really didn't like his current character. If he's a levellower than the rest f the party, he'll catch up fast enough, because lower level characters gain XP faster. OP, I'll suggest that you start using proper punctuation, both because it makes your posts much easier to read and understand, and because these boards are filled with asshats who would rather insult someone's grammar than try and help solve someone's problem.
John Paul Stoddard 01-07-08, 05:19 PM	I'm curious. If you found out that a player was truly not enjoying playing because of his character, you would force him to keep using the same character regardless? I work directly with My PCs developing thier Characters from Thier Goals and thier Backgrounds. They tell me why They want to play the Character. I have played with the Same players since 1978..No Problems yet. No one has ever wanted to change PCs.
Sereetha 01-08-08, 10:58 AM	Many of my players have made back up characters or cohorts {just in case} I work with PC's to make sure that they design characters they will enjoy. Very rarely have they ever brought them in quite often they are used for another campaign. I think allot would depend on his level of play experience. He could be just trying to feel his way around the game and classes, trying to find his niche. As for bringing is a new character one level lower is not a big deal, if a new character is brought into my campaign they are brought in 3levels lower. The experience given will quickly sort out the levels. Also do not forget spellcasters if they make it to 5th {depending on how played} are often the most powerful characters in the party.
narack 01-08-08, 12:10 PM	is my DM making a good choice or a bad one??? DM is always right.
CryoSilver 01-08-08, 04:45 PM	DM is always right. Not ALWAYS. Sometimes, the DM will try to tell you that "Bud Light is good beer!"
kelcimer 01-08-08, 05:28 PM	I can't understand why these comments insulting his grammar and spelling are necessary. Calling a spade 'a spade' is not an insult. If someone has horrible grammer and spelling then they have horrible grammar and spelling. And he has horrible spelling and grammar. It's necessary because if we can't understand him then communication is not going to occur. That would only defeat the purpose of these boards.
Etarnon 01-08-08, 11:50 PM	If someone has horrible grammer and spelling then they have horrible grammar and spelling. If someone has horrible grammar and spelling, then they do. And he has horrible spelling and grammar. He has horrible spelling and grammar. It's necessary because if we can't understand him then communication is not going to occur. That would only defeat the purpose of these boards. If we can't understand him, then communication (the purpose of these boards) is not going to occur.
mato_hibiki 01-09-08, 07:37 AM	Clap... Clap... Clap... Can we really move off of the grammar jokes now? Seriously...
kelcimer 01-09-08, 09:16 AM	Etarnon You illustrated clearly that there is better grammar and good grammar. Thank you for pointing out some of the grades of grammar and spelling. You don't have to be perfect to post here. It just helps.
Ayra 01-10-08, 09:20 AM	My point is that when the word "rouge" is used in a D&D forum in most situations one can deduct that the person meant to type "rogue". I highly doubt that the original thread starter thinks he's awesome at spelling and grammar. Telling him he needs to work on his grammar and spelling is okay (although it may be interpreted as elitist, since the post is still fine to understand), but complaining about it and not giving any feedback on the actual matter at hand is wrong. Additionally, constructive criticism would've been better than making fun of misspelled words.
Elsydeon 01-10-08, 10:47 AM	It's no more elitist than thinking immigrants should learn the language of the country. Why not hold people who come here to the standard as well? Learn the language! If the OP is a native English speaker that's inexcusable. A 5 year old can make themselves clear, even if they're being very simple about it. If English isn't the OP's first language I'm sure there are places to go that use his native language to talk about this stuff. You don't have to be perfect. But I bet everyone reading this understood me.
LinusMundane 01-10-08, 10:49 AM	Did we determine that hes from another country and lives in the US? I'm not sure if you know or not but the world wide web is just that.... world wide....
BoringInfoGuy 01-10-08, 11:40 AM	I work directly with My PCs developing thier Characters from Thier Goals and thier Backgrounds. They tell me why They want to play the Character. I have played with the Same players since 1978..No Problems yet. No one has ever wanted to change PCs. That is nice, but it really side steps the question. I asked "If you found out that a player was truly not enjoying playing because of his character, you would force him to keep using the same character regardless?" Not if that situation had come up in your game yet. This time, could you answer my question?
Elsydeon 01-10-08, 12:54 PM	All these posts are in one language. Learn to use the language or find a forum in another one. I was comparing the forum to a nation. Not making any assumptions on where he's living.
Etarnon 01-11-08, 03:35 AM	You don't have to be perfect to post here. It just helps. My point being, of course...nobody here is perfect. I'd like to see posters actually answer the OP's question, and spare us the schoolmarm crap, it's annoying and tedious. Mine included, posted for just that reason, to call attention to how annoying it is to be corrected, when you came looking for advice. Good gods. Is there not room for someone asking a question, and not getting it just exactly perfect? So is my DM making a good choice or a bad one??? Hard to say without knowing more about the DM's plans for the campaign, and the details of the characters.
ardentpause 01-11-08, 11:50 AM	On OP's problem: D&D is about having a good time. It is about having fun. The GM is in charge of making sure that everybody is having a good time. If somebody needs a different character to have a good time, let them have it. If that causes other people to have a bad time, then things change, and a different solution may need to be found. So far, until you express to the DM that your friend's new character is going to cause you to have a bad time, the GM is doing the only responsible thing he can; Keeping everybody happy. If you haven't expressed an objection to him, you cannot expect him to take your objections into account. On Grammar: Nobody needs perfect grammar here, but at least use paragraphs, periods, and commas. Correct spelling and apostrophes would also be nice, but the human brain tends to compensate for that (to some extent). Ambiguous words or phrases are very annoying, and not only do they slow down the time it takes to read what has been written, but they actually make it impossible to understand at all. As for the complaints about picky grammar Nazis, and too much time spent on this topic in an unrelated thread, if you want the subject to go away, stop talking about it. -ArdentPause