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| Jaime_Wolf06-06-05, 08:09 PM | Okay, to begin with, we are a (usually, when all are present) 7 person party. Now, this was the first day of a new campaign and the DM was new and painstakingly slow at getting anything done. However, one person in our group really has his head up his arse and tries as hard as he can to mess up situations which the DM has planned out. For this reason, when something swam away through a trap door moving several times faster than he could, this person chased it anyway, and convinced three other party members it was the clear choice of action rather than helping the party with whatever had just slammed into the back of us and snuffed all the torches out. So, the three of us (assassin, sorcerer, and bard) are fighting this hulking psionic thing we can't see because it's invisible and the room is dark (as we found out after using a spell to light the room again). Now, because we're split up, the DM moves the other 4 into another room while he deals with this. After about 30 minutes (told you, slow DM), one of the other players opens the door and says "Guys, you have to stop what you're doing right now, I've found a way to use prestidigitation to fly, kill anything without a saving throw, and take over the world." We were somewhat tired, and so we humoured him. So, first of all, he figured out that prestidigitation can make extremely light objects hover, so he pointed out that given a thin sheet of balsa wood just the size of the footprint of boots (so it wouldn't break), one could stand on it and simply levitate the balsa wood. Furthermore, since one can use the effects of prestidigitation for one hour, and prestidigitation is a minor power, logic says that prestidigitation can create a prestidigitation spell, meaning, infinite prestidigitation. Since you've got infinite amounts of power to work with (and range, since you could simply create a prestidigitation at max range and have it make another and so forth), you can chill and warm a ridiculous amount of air (also given the amount is given in pounds). Therefore, one can create a tornado by chilling and warming enough air. And finally, since one can create a tiny wooden figure, simply create one in any of a target's major arteries or veins, instant death. |
| Shaken, not Stunned06-06-05, 08:20 PM | Amusing, but no. Prestidigitation cannot mimic any spells, IIRC. Also, you can't create things inside of other things that don't want those things in them. Hang on, I'll pull some quotes from the SRD. EDIT: From the SRD Prestidigitation Universal Level: Brd 0, Sor/Wiz 0 Components: V, S Casting Time: 1 standard action Range: 10 ft. Target, Effect, or Area: See text Duration: 1 hour Saving Throw: See text Spell Resistance: No Prestidigitations are minor tricks that novice spellcasters use for practice. Once cast, a prestidigitation spell enables you to perform simple magical effects for 1 hour. The effects are minor and have severe limitations. A prestidigitation can slowly lift 1 pound of material. It can color, clean, or soil items in a 1-foot cube each round. It can chill, warm, or flavor 1 pound of nonliving material. It cannot deal damage or affect the concentration of spellcasters. Prestidigitation can create small objects, but they look crude and artificial. The materials created by a prestidigitation spell are extremely fragile, and they cannot be used as tools, weapons, or spell components. Finally, a prestidigitation lacks the power to duplicate any other spell effects. Any actual change to an object (beyond just moving, cleaning, or soiling it) persists only 1 hour. So, as you can see, you can't create tornados, or even double the range of prestidigitation. Also, the moment a 165 pound human steps on the ply-wood shoe soles, they wiegh, for the purposes of lifting them, 165.5 pounds. So that won't work either. |
| Jaime_Wolf06-06-05, 08:26 PM | Heh, I just looked at that after posting it. But he can still fly. |
| kam_Islash06-06-05, 08:33 PM | I use it to clean rocks, then flavor rocks, then spend an hour licking them. /// |
| The Man from Uncle06-06-05, 08:46 PM | Yep, I think its as simple as that! With prestidigitation one can reshape the world atom by atom, live forever, become a god and even sleep with beautiful women! Nothing is beyond the realms of it's awe inspiring power! Ah man, that is the funniest, munched up, flagrent disregard for the game world I have ever heard. Fair play to you for not slapping the guy and telling him in a level voice to just 'Get out.' |
| Jaime_Wolf06-06-05, 09:18 PM | Forgot one thing, it says it can't duplicate OTHER spell effects. Nothing about duplicating ITSELF. |
| Shaken, not Stunned06-06-05, 09:25 PM | Good point. But the effect would still originate at you, I think, because you are duplicating prestidigitation. That would still give you unlimited lift, for flying, that is. Of course, this would be more like being 'slowly lifted' than flying, but still. |
| Avatarblu06-06-05, 09:37 PM | you may levitate some balsa wood the size of footprints. but not balsa wood with 200lbs of munchkin on top. |
| Roreck06-06-05, 09:49 PM | that person deserves a death more painful than anything my twisted mind can concieve. banish him to the abyss now before he has a chance to spread his idocy or procreates (though from the sound of this guy that is not a problem) Munchins like this sould be shot with a hammer in the groin a lot and than in the head |
| ehrin06-06-05, 09:54 PM | presti can't harm anything, it can't do HP damage, it can't be used as a weapon... so making a clogged artery or introducing a wooden stake into someone won't work. For fun, i used it once to make air bubbles in a person's veins...sure death in the real world, painful to the point of damage in DnD, but... bottom line, can't break concentration, can't do damage, so all my air bubbles did was cause pain. and I don't understand how making balsa wood hover can make you fly. I can make balsa wood hover IRL, but if i put weight on it, it falls. |
| Asciiman06-06-05, 10:04 PM | You sir are an idiot and I want back the two and a half minutes I spent reading this thread. |
| Arkidisey06-06-05, 10:04 PM | 'It said it can't duplicate OTHER spells, nothing says it cant duplicate ITSELF' Don't be super literal, also, it said and i quote this spell cannot duplicate another spell ability.' tell me. were does it say it can duplicate itself. It didn't say you COULD duplicate the same spell, therefore, it would be up to the DM for a homebrew rule. I myself, would not alow such a thing. This Munchcinizer shall be slain with my Godly Hammer!!! |
| The Man from Uncle06-06-05, 10:19 PM | Hang on (this seemed too obvious to point out, but maybe I am the one who misunderstands)...even if you cast it to duplicate itself....how does that make it unlimited? All you would be doing is casting a spell that copies itself. It wouldn't do anything else. You'd just have an infinite number of spells that do nothing but emulate their own ability to replicate themselves. Best quote so far goes to Avatarblu for 'you may levitate some balsa wood the size of footprints. but not balsa wood with 200lbs of munchkin on top.' |
| Arkidisey06-06-05, 10:22 PM | Yes, very true, left that out cuz everyone was already sayin' it ;) gotta keep my own face ya know? :D |
| Templetroll06-06-05, 10:32 PM | Okay, to begin with, we are a (usually, when all are present) 7 person party. Now, this was the first day of a new campaign and the DM was new and painstakingly slow at getting anything done. However, one person in our group really has his head up his arse and tries as hard as he can to mess up situations which the DM has planned out. For this reason, when something swam away through a trap door moving several times faster than he could, this person chased it anyway, and convinced three other party members it was the clear choice of action rather than helping the party with whatever had just slammed into the back of us and snuffed all the torches out. So, the three of us (assassin, sorcerer, and bard) are fighting this hulking psionic thing we can't see because it's invisible and the room is dark (as we found out after using a spell to light the room again). Now, because we're split up, the DM moves the other 4 into another room while he deals with this. After about 30 minutes (told you, slow DM), one of the other players opens the door and says "Guys, you have to stop what you're doing right now, I've found a way to use prestidigitation to fly, kill anything without a saving throw, and take over the world." We were somewhat tired, and so we humoured him. So, first of all, he figured out that prestidigitation can make extremely light objects hover, so he pointed out that given a thin sheet of balsa wood just the size of the footprint of boots (so it wouldn't break), one could stand on it and simply levitate the balsa wood. Furthermore, since one can use the effects of prestidigitation for one hour, and prestidigitation is a minor power, logic says that prestidigitation can create a prestidigitation spell, meaning, infinite prestidigitation. Since you've got infinite amounts of power to work with (and range, since you could simply create a prestidigitation at max range and have it make another and so forth), you can chill and warm a ridiculous amount of air (also given the amount is given in pounds). Therefore, one can create a tornado by chilling and warming enough air. And finally, since one can create a tiny wooden figure, simply create one in any of a target's major arteries or veins, instant death. You need to have a gnome lich, Munchkin the Prestidigitator, hear of this and begin a campaign of assault using only Prestidigitation to attack the character that came up with this. Get as wack as you can and leave it to him to shoot down the attempts as silly. if he likes it then just sit him in the other room for another few hours until he gets over it. |
| Maerdash06-06-05, 10:39 PM | Spell effects that are the same dont "stack" Ie two charm persons dont make a stronger charm person, and for all intents and purposes this is the same thing, just tell the guy that its an unreasonable spell use. If he persists dont bother making it not work, show him just how useless it is to use 300 pres spells when an enemy mage who knows his stuff is breathing down his neck. If he still persists kill the character and if you think you cant just come here for advice, we are a collective of excellent ideas on these boards. |
| TheErsatzFacsimileOfMe06-06-05, 11:16 PM | You sir are an idiot and I want back the two and a half minutes I spent reading this thread. :rofl: :rofl: |
| Jaime_Wolf06-07-05, 01:03 AM | Oh my lord, YOU people are too literal. The guy walked in and said this as a joke, did you actually believe he meant it seriously? I just posted it because I and the rest of the group thought it was humourous. He didn't actually do any of those things or even try to do them, and the DM's not stupid enough to let him (although sometimes he seems very, very close, but I've a feeling that's just the effect the aforementioned idiot has on his patience). |
| Flushmaster06-07-05, 04:38 AM | I use it to clean rocks, then flavor rocks, then spend an hour licking them. I like this idea a lot, really. I'm sigging this quote. Aside from the humorous aspect (I spent a full minute giggling like an idiot after reading that, but it may just mean that I need to go to bed), it's a great thing for a spellcaster to do as a sort of fidgety thing. That extra little bit of roleplaying that makes things more fun. Mention that as your party rides along that you pull a rock out of your pocket and turn it into what is basically an everlasting gobstopper (for an hour, at least). Bored on your watch during the night? Want something to do while the character is waiting for something aside from "I meditate on the nature of magic?" For a festival type setting you could add a second prestidigitation effect to make it shine and sparkle and have a flavored version of a raver mouth glowstick. Edit: Just curious, what flavors do you prefer? |
| Koda7706-07-05, 07:58 AM | the most godly item i can concieve is a ring of prestidigitation(limited limited wish) i will ahve one and i will turn the palidans armour polka dot |
| liquidfilth06-07-05, 10:05 AM | Sounds like you guys are just pickin' on a newbie DM. That ain't too cool. |
| Phrennzy06-07-05, 10:09 AM | I use it to clean rocks, then flavor rocks, then spend an hour licking them. /// THAT is funny! |
| angryman06-07-05, 01:03 PM | You see, what your friend doesn't know is that his trick DOES work. However, unfortunately, another mage already created an exponential, nigh-infinite number of prestidigitations that eat other's prestidigitations and add to his total. He hasn't worked out a way to affect the last one any single mage casts -so it works normally for everyone, EXCEPT when they try to duplicate it like he did-. The net effect is that, while it works, you can never use it for any purpose except for what it's supposed to be used for, or it'll be eaten. Duh. |
| eudas06-07-05, 01:37 PM | very inventive, angryman. :) good work! :) eudas |
| kam_Islash06-07-05, 02:02 PM | He's a rogue who gained prestigidation 4 times a day as a spell-like ability. A leftover from the days when he had a single sorceror level. The DM thought my usages of prestigidation were so cool for roleplay that he let me keep that one spell when I rebuilt him as a straight rogue. Flavors For Rocks -Filet Mignon -Red Dragon's Wing Soup -Blueberry Pie -Curry lamb over rice Flavors for water -Elven Wine -Dwarven Ale -Spiced Apple Cider So basically whenever the party is doing something, the mages are talking in secret, and my character gets bored he sits down, casts his spell and starts playing with it. Other Fun With Prestidgidation: -Chilling a fighter's underpants to wake him up /// |
| Raymond_Luxury_Yacht06-07-05, 04:13 PM | Oh my lord, YOU people are too literal. The guy walked in and said this as a joke, did you actually believe he meant it seriously? I just posted it because I and the rest of the group thought it was humourous. He didn't actually do any of those things or even try to do them, and the DM's not stupid enough to let him (although sometimes he seems very, very close, but I've a feeling that's just the effect the aforementioned idiot has on his patience). Then it goes on the d20 For Grins forum. This forum is for players to ask for advice. |
| feartheinvinceblehamster06-07-05, 05:19 PM | personnaly, i think you should put some endents and spaces in there. |
| IceFractal06-08-05, 03:56 AM | I always like to have a Ring of Prestidigitation when I can get one. Its good for actual spellcasters, spellcaster poseurs, trickster types, aristocratic types, and your flashier fighters. |
| kam_Islash06-08-05, 10:00 AM | Oh its especially fun when nobody suspects you to be able to cast arcane spells. I cant wait for that damn Inquisitor NPC to join the party. /// |
| Jaime_Wolf06-08-05, 11:47 PM | Then it goes on the d20 For Grins forum. This forum is for players to ask for advice. Thank you, I didn't really know where to put it, I'll keep that in mind in the future. |
| ehrin06-09-05, 12:11 AM | i am very sure that plenty of folks here would be happy to indicate where you should put this post, as well as your future posts. |