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pmurray@bigpond.com 07-14-07, 02:32 AM	Or chinese, or any oriental-sounding language? We are doing Savage Tide. Last session, we croaked a dragon turtle and decided to raid its lair. But where is it (aside from "underwater")? My Shujenga 11 (gentle rain) descided to use his new spell - Commune. Naturally, as a shujenga he contacts not his god, but the great elemental lords (or, more likely, their flunkies at the call centers). So I began: "Oh great ..." and hit a snag. We all know the names of the princes of elemental evil, but what are the names of the elemental princes of good? So - if anyone knows a little Japanese, or chineese, what are the words for Fire, Water, Earth and Air? What would be reasonable-sounding names for my patron (a prince of Water) and some of the other elemental princes? While we are at it - has anyone come up with reasonable-sounding versions of aquan, terran, ignan and auran?
Saiyamantis 07-14-07, 04:57 AM	The elemental princes of good are Ben-Hadar (prince of water), Chan (princess of air), Sunnis (princess of earth), and Zaaman Rul (prince of fire). I got these element names from a quick Google search: Earth:chi, tsuchi Fire: ka, hi, huǒ Air: fū, kaze Water: sui, mizu, shuǐ
serow_#R 07-14-07, 07:24 AM	In Chinese: Earth: di (dee), tu (to) Fire: huo (hwor) Wind: feng (ferng) Water: shui (shway)
shadzar 07-14-07, 07:56 AM	Naruto to the rescue. :D Ho (火, literally "Fire") Kaze (風, literally "Wind") Mizu (水, literally "Water") Rai (雷, literally "Lightning"/"Thunder") Tsuchi (土, literally "Earth") fire = Ho wind/air = Kaze water = Mizu earth = Tsuchi
FRRC 07-14-07, 10:10 AM	if you wanted to posh it up a bit and if the elemental lords had their own name you could say: Zaamen Rul no kame Huo - which loosely means: "Zaamen Rul, lord of Fire" in a mixture of many languages :)
mearrin69 07-14-07, 10:56 AM	For Chinese, instead of wind (feng) I'd go with air (qi - sounds like 'chee' or the beginning of cheese). Could throw a shi (sounds like 'sure' in Beijing-accent Mandarin) on the end to make it something like 'master of water/fire/earth/air'. HTH. M
PsychicKid 07-14-07, 10:57 AM	Naruto to the rescue. :D fire = Ho wind/air = Kaze water = Mizu earth = Tsuchi Fire = Hi, not Ho. You're probably thinking of the alternate spelling, "Honoo", which uses a different kanji. Protip: Never use anime to learn Japanese.
shadzar 07-14-07, 11:04 AM	funny i crossed referenced it will a few other online translaters and "ho" came up for fire as well. and actually i have learned quite a bit of japanese from anime, a lot more than i would have learned otherwise. maybe it has something to do with different dialects in japan.
PsychicKid 07-14-07, 11:18 AM	Using anime to learn Japanese isn't the wisest idea. It's better to invest time and money in classes or a series of books to teach yourself. Also, it is "hi" for that particular kanji. The kanji you may be confused with, 炎, is read as Honoo, which I think you are mixing up with 火, which is read as Hi.
mearrin69 07-14-07, 12:36 PM	Okay, how are you guys getting those lovely characters to show up? I know it's OT so please PM if you feel like enlightening me with a link to instructions or something. :) Thanks!
enlightened 07-14-07, 05:52 PM	Using anime to learn Japanese isn't the wisest idea. It's better to invest time and money in classes or a series of books to teach yourself. Also, it is "hi" for that particular kanji. The kanji you may be confused with, 炎, is read as Honoo, which I think you are mixing up with 火, which is read as Hi. You are right that in modern Japanese "ho" is not used as a pronunciation of 火. But at one time it was a valid pronunciation. Looking in a dictionary of names I found the family name 火撫　which is usually pronounced "Hinade" but lists "Honade" as an alternate pronunciation. And in 広辞苑 I found an archaic word, 火糞（ほくそ）....which means "dung for burning". And I asked my wife (who's Japanese) about it, and she said that she thinks the pronunciation "ho" was used for 火　a long time ago in farming-related words......(but she wasn't 100% sure). EDIT: digging around I found a lot of words in which 火　is pronounced "Ho" ほかげ 【火影】 ほぐし 【火串】 ほくそ 【火糞】 ほくち 【火口】 ほくち-がね 【火口金】 ほけ 【火気】 ほさき 【火先】 ほすせりのみこと 【火酢芹命/火須勢理命】 ほすそりのみこと 【火闌降命】 ほたき 【火焚き/火焼き】 ほづつ 【火筒】 ほてり 【火照り/熱り】 ほでりのみこと 【火照命】 ほてる 【火照る/熱る】 ほど 【火床】 ほなか 【火中】 ほのすそりのみこと 【火闌降命】 ほむすびのかみ 【火結神】 ほや 【火屋/火舎】 Apparently, though, none of these are common words. You can find there meanings here. http://dictionary.www.infoseek.co.jp/?ii=0&sm=1&sc=1&gr=ml&qt=%B2%D0&sv=KO&lp=16&se=on You have to set it to 国語 then type the word in the blank.
shadzar 07-14-07, 08:11 PM	Okay, how are you guys getting those lovely characters to show up? I know it's OT so please PM if you feel like enlightening me with a link to instructions or something. :) Thanks! try windows language packages like korean and japanese. they make it so windows can should not standard character sets for other languages. then you can see and every type in higarana, katakana, etc
PsychicKid 07-15-07, 02:39 AM	*Snip* Oh wow, I did not know any of that. I'm still learning Japanese myself, but I guess you learn something new every day. Thanks for clearing that up.
Von_Harbringer 07-15-07, 03:01 AM	Or chinese, or any oriental-sounding language? So - if anyone knows a little Japanese, or chineese, what are the words for Fire, Water, Earth and Air? What would be reasonable-sounding names for my patron (a prince of Water) and some of the other elemental princes? While we are at it - has anyone come up with reasonable-sounding versions of aquan, terran, ignan and auran? I do have a Japanese Dictionary Fire (flame) = Hi, Taki-Bi/Hono'o, Kaen Water = Mizu Earth = Chikyu Air (wind) = Kuki, Sora (sky)/Kaze Or try this site (http://www.freedict.com/).