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Krusk
08-16-06, 07:00 PM We are about to start a campaign this weekend. Upon hearing this I announced to our group that I would play a druid and explained my character concept. Last night I submitted my basic character stats/backstory to the dm and he approved. I get home from work today to find out from another player has decided to play the exact same character idea. With the same concept and everything; not just another druid. When i confronted him about it he said "ok good cause im gona do one then" and promptly signed off the internet and he left for work. we are set to start the game in two nights. I would have no problem simply playing my character alongside his as under normal circumstances two druids devoted to the same cause would get along great. But this is the same player that will role play when it suits him, but then if it is not best for him he will suddenly do something that does not fit. Best example would be if he were to play a frenzied beserk he would frenzy on the very last enemy then move on to kill a player in our group he dosn't like and then finally acknowledge the rest of us as we are saying roll will saves to stop. Then if confronted he will simply say "I didn't hear you". or its not within my character to stop frenzy.

last we all have played with him befor and we know he will cheat or he will neglect to follow rules that i follow. Then make a huge deal about how i made a druid wrong when his does anythign successful.

rules such as -druids dont wrear metal armor"- "oh i guess i forgot that takes my ac from 28 to 14 oops. "

so basically how do i either stop him or deal with him doing it?

----we all normally enjoy hanging out with him on nondnd nights but when he plays its a pain. and if we dont invite him he will go out of his way to try to get us to skip that night.
InterSilva
08-16-06, 07:17 PM I'm just going to get this out of the way, because everybody's going to say it.

Talk to him. Have a nice sit-down with the entire group (it sounds like you're all upset with him) and explain it in a manner that is as unthreatening as possible.
Oren
08-16-06, 07:22 PM Simple, keep careful note of all the rules you are following, and cheese his attempts to cheat. If you are on the ball, the other players and the DM will appreciate you saying "actually doing X would violate the rules in this way" and stopping him from being a dick. Because his character is your doppleganger it is much easier for you to keep track of how he tries to cheat.

Also, it seems like there are bigger issues going on right now, and your group needs to get these tendencies stopped. Either the DM needs to tell him "no" or the entire party needs to get together and say "stop, or leave"
DarkNick
08-16-06, 07:25 PM Sounds like an arse,

talk to the DM about it. What do they think?

If he is that bad do you really want to play with him? I think in almost every case of having a 'bad' player you can't change the way they behave, you can only really manage it.

Has anyone ever had any luck sitting down with players and getting them to see the light of day?

Sometimes it is easier, and better for you mental health, to just not play with these types of people.
Arn
08-16-06, 09:43 PM He strikes me as the kind of power-player who wants to be the center of attention during all the game sessions. Self centeredness has no room around the game table and needs to be addressed ASAP by the entire gaming group.
silvergamgee
08-16-06, 09:43 PM I once played with a guy who was of the veiw that his human barbarian could weild a greataxe in each hand with no penalties with just the 2 weapon fighting feat. We later chose to quietly remove him from the group, but we had some successful gaming with him for a time.

We started off by politely pointing out why what his character was doing was unbalancing the game.

We then listened to his reasons why he interpreted things in that way (as it turned out, he saw two weapon fighting and went "cool, I can fight with two weapons" and never read the text below).

Once he realized that his error was annoying the whole group by unbalancing everything, he apoligized and relented.

Although he did the same thing with different feats and different characters (most noticably abusing what he thought combat reflexes should do), we were able to keep him in the fold for a while. His continuing refusal to read texts next to feats lead us to expel him, but hopefully yours will turn out better.
Krusk
08-17-06, 12:58 AM Simple, keep careful note of all the rules you are following, and cheese his attempts to cheat. If you are on the ball, the other players and the DM will appreciate you saying "actually doing X would violate the rules in this way" and stopping him from being a dick. Because his character is your doppleganger it is much easier for you to keep track of how he tries to cheat.
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That was what me and another player decided we would end up having to do. Its honestly a pain to keep track of every single bonus/penalty he has and making sure he applys them. If you have ever tried to ask a player after they rolled how they got +X added to it, they will get very defensive. The general response is well I go through my feats and stuff. A lot of things get added in. Basically I'd rather play my character instead of babysit his.

We have 5-6 players- including him- and only one wants to play with him, but basically if we tell him not to come he goes very passive aggressive until we let him. Normally we just play without him when he does somethign like this. But recently he has been making plans with the guy who wants to play with him 3 or 4 nights befor the game night. So we are expecting to play but all of a sudden we only have 3 or 4 people at most. and thats a signifigant ammount of the party who did not show up. So we resorted to letting him play so that the group as a whole can play.

I agree that he is very immature about it in general, but when approached about his actions he acts completly denys that he is hurting the group as a whole. Or he claims he didn't realize he made his trip to wherever at the exact time as our game. Which is the same time as every week.

I agree about finding another group, but this is my group when im not at school and its our last 2 weeks befor we head back and we were hoping for one last run. Also I live in a town 5 miles across, and its quite hard to find other people willing to learn DND. I have met with maybe 6 others and couldn't stand their style of gaming -more of a "I wish i was inyuyasha- than i could deal with.
kelvinaw273
08-17-06, 08:37 AM When I DM, I keep all the character sheets, or else I keep copies of them, that way I can keep track of things. I use them to build combat sheets for all characters so I don't have to keep asking what AC somebody is.

Mind you, were I DMing I would tell this player to come up with something original. I would als9o tell him that his constant cheating is getting on everyone's nerves. If he can't get on, get out. And that done, I'd refuse to socialise with him if he starts egging people to skip sessions - I'd arrange things on non-D&D nightsd that do not include him, and see how he likes it.
jasper
08-17-06, 08:53 AM simple rule learn quicker than I did. DON'T play with goobers. You will play less but enjoy the game more.
E. Ravenwood
08-17-06, 04:31 PM All of our peers here have offered great advice, and do not stray from it at all...but, if all else fails, kick his :censored:
In game, I mean. Out of game too, if it makes you feel better. Nothing solves problems better than resorting to violence.
Here's the premise of this plan, if they guy's being a pain in the cajones, give him a taste of his own medicine. As a druid, you can cast area effective spells, sometimes players just happen to get in the way of them. If he kills one of the party members by his so-called roleplaying, the enitire party should beat him to a pulp and leave him on the road, because god knows if I were actually in a party with a loose cannon who killed one of my buddies because he couldn't help it, I sure as hell wouldn't be spending too much time around him.
If he is a cheater, start calling him on it. Make him roll in full view of the party, start harping the rules on him when he tries something illegal. I can't believe the other's who have played with him aren't sick and tired of him. The DM is obviously not doing his job. He should sit this jerk down and tell him to cut the crap or he's going to have to look for another group to role play with.
Don't ever let anyone play that 'I'm just role playing my character' crap on you, because bottom line, you are there as a group of friends, and if everyone played their characters to their full Alignment standard, I can assure you this game would have died out back in the 70's.
Bulletproof_Condom
08-17-06, 05:49 PM I'd let that character go and just play something else. When he no longer has a victim for his dickery, he'll get bored and either leave or make a new character.
Krusk
08-17-06, 06:26 PM Problem wortked itself out amazingly. thanks for the great advice on the matter.

We were plannign to play tonight, and then we got free preview tickets to SOAP at 1 am tommorow. Which works perfect for our group, play till 1130 then snakes. For some unknown reason he has decided that if we play from 7-11 it will be a rushed session and refuses to come. So everyone is set. We are just gonna play on without him.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Krusk 08-16-06, 07:00 PM	We are about to start a campaign this weekend. Upon hearing this I announced to our group that I would play a druid and explained my character concept. Last night I submitted my basic character stats/backstory to the dm and he approved. I get home from work today to find out from another player has decided to play the exact same character idea. With the same concept and everything; not just another druid. When i confronted him about it he said "ok good cause im gona do one then" and promptly signed off the internet and he left for work. we are set to start the game in two nights. I would have no problem simply playing my character alongside his as under normal circumstances two druids devoted to the same cause would get along great. But this is the same player that will role play when it suits him, but then if it is not best for him he will suddenly do something that does not fit. Best example would be if he were to play a frenzied beserk he would frenzy on the very last enemy then move on to kill a player in our group he dosn't like and then finally acknowledge the rest of us as we are saying roll will saves to stop. Then if confronted he will simply say "I didn't hear you". or its not within my character to stop frenzy. last we all have played with him befor and we know he will cheat or he will neglect to follow rules that i follow. Then make a huge deal about how i made a druid wrong when his does anythign successful. rules such as -druids dont wrear metal armor"- "oh i guess i forgot that takes my ac from 28 to 14 oops. " so basically how do i either stop him or deal with him doing it? ----we all normally enjoy hanging out with him on nondnd nights but when he plays its a pain. and if we dont invite him he will go out of his way to try to get us to skip that night.
InterSilva 08-16-06, 07:17 PM	I'm just going to get this out of the way, because everybody's going to say it. Talk to him. Have a nice sit-down with the entire group (it sounds like you're all upset with him) and explain it in a manner that is as unthreatening as possible.
Oren 08-16-06, 07:22 PM	Simple, keep careful note of all the rules you are following, and cheese his attempts to cheat. If you are on the ball, the other players and the DM will appreciate you saying "actually doing X would violate the rules in this way" and stopping him from being a dick. Because his character is your doppleganger it is much easier for you to keep track of how he tries to cheat. Also, it seems like there are bigger issues going on right now, and your group needs to get these tendencies stopped. Either the DM needs to tell him "no" or the entire party needs to get together and say "stop, or leave"
DarkNick 08-16-06, 07:25 PM	Sounds like an arse, talk to the DM about it. What do they think? If he is that bad do you really want to play with him? I think in almost every case of having a 'bad' player you can't change the way they behave, you can only really manage it. Has anyone ever had any luck sitting down with players and getting them to see the light of day? Sometimes it is easier, and better for you mental health, to just not play with these types of people.
Arn 08-16-06, 09:43 PM	He strikes me as the kind of power-player who wants to be the center of attention during all the game sessions. Self centeredness has no room around the game table and needs to be addressed ASAP by the entire gaming group.
silvergamgee 08-16-06, 09:43 PM	I once played with a guy who was of the veiw that his human barbarian could weild a greataxe in each hand with no penalties with just the 2 weapon fighting feat. We later chose to quietly remove him from the group, but we had some successful gaming with him for a time. We started off by politely pointing out why what his character was doing was unbalancing the game. We then listened to his reasons why he interpreted things in that way (as it turned out, he saw two weapon fighting and went "cool, I can fight with two weapons" and never read the text below). Once he realized that his error was annoying the whole group by unbalancing everything, he apoligized and relented. Although he did the same thing with different feats and different characters (most noticably abusing what he thought combat reflexes should do), we were able to keep him in the fold for a while. His continuing refusal to read texts next to feats lead us to expel him, but hopefully yours will turn out better.
Krusk 08-17-06, 12:58 AM	Simple, keep careful note of all the rules you are following, and cheese his attempts to cheat. If you are on the ball, the other players and the DM will appreciate you saying "actually doing X would violate the rules in this way" and stopping him from being a dick. Because his character is your doppleganger it is much easier for you to keep track of how he tries to cheat. " That was what me and another player decided we would end up having to do. Its honestly a pain to keep track of every single bonus/penalty he has and making sure he applys them. If you have ever tried to ask a player after they rolled how they got +X added to it, they will get very defensive. The general response is well I go through my feats and stuff. A lot of things get added in. Basically I'd rather play my character instead of babysit his. We have 5-6 players- including him- and only one wants to play with him, but basically if we tell him not to come he goes very passive aggressive until we let him. Normally we just play without him when he does somethign like this. But recently he has been making plans with the guy who wants to play with him 3 or 4 nights befor the game night. So we are expecting to play but all of a sudden we only have 3 or 4 people at most. and thats a signifigant ammount of the party who did not show up. So we resorted to letting him play so that the group as a whole can play. I agree that he is very immature about it in general, but when approached about his actions he acts completly denys that he is hurting the group as a whole. Or he claims he didn't realize he made his trip to wherever at the exact time as our game. Which is the same time as every week. I agree about finding another group, but this is my group when im not at school and its our last 2 weeks befor we head back and we were hoping for one last run. Also I live in a town 5 miles across, and its quite hard to find other people willing to learn DND. I have met with maybe 6 others and couldn't stand their style of gaming -more of a "I wish i was inyuyasha- than i could deal with.
kelvinaw273 08-17-06, 08:37 AM	When I DM, I keep all the character sheets, or else I keep copies of them, that way I can keep track of things. I use them to build combat sheets for all characters so I don't have to keep asking what AC somebody is. Mind you, were I DMing I would tell this player to come up with something original. I would als9o tell him that his constant cheating is getting on everyone's nerves. If he can't get on, get out. And that done, I'd refuse to socialise with him if he starts egging people to skip sessions - I'd arrange things on non-D&D nightsd that do not include him, and see how he likes it.
jasper 08-17-06, 08:53 AM	simple rule learn quicker than I did. DON'T play with goobers. You will play less but enjoy the game more.
E. Ravenwood 08-17-06, 04:31 PM	All of our peers here have offered great advice, and do not stray from it at all...but, if all else fails, kick his :censored: In game, I mean. Out of game too, if it makes you feel better. Nothing solves problems better than resorting to violence. Here's the premise of this plan, if they guy's being a pain in the cajones, give him a taste of his own medicine. As a druid, you can cast area effective spells, sometimes players just happen to get in the way of them. If he kills one of the party members by his so-called roleplaying, the enitire party should beat him to a pulp and leave him on the road, because god knows if I were actually in a party with a loose cannon who killed one of my buddies because he couldn't help it, I sure as hell wouldn't be spending too much time around him. If he is a cheater, start calling him on it. Make him roll in full view of the party, start harping the rules on him when he tries something illegal. I can't believe the other's who have played with him aren't sick and tired of him. The DM is obviously not doing his job. He should sit this jerk down and tell him to cut the crap or he's going to have to look for another group to role play with. Don't ever let anyone play that 'I'm just role playing my character' crap on you, because bottom line, you are there as a group of friends, and if everyone played their characters to their full Alignment standard, I can assure you this game would have died out back in the 70's.
Bulletproof_Condom 08-17-06, 05:49 PM	I'd let that character go and just play something else. When he no longer has a victim for his dickery, he'll get bored and either leave or make a new character.
Krusk 08-17-06, 06:26 PM	Problem wortked itself out amazingly. thanks for the great advice on the matter. We were plannign to play tonight, and then we got free preview tickets to SOAP at 1 am tommorow. Which works perfect for our group, play till 1130 then snakes. For some unknown reason he has decided that if we play from 7-11 it will be a rushed session and refuses to come. So everyone is set. We are just gonna play on without him.