arcane strike while holding a spell [Archive] - Wizards Community

arcane strike while holding a spell [Archive] - Wizards Community

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konad
09-10-06, 09:20 PM i am currently playing a daggerspell mage. i have just hit 2nd class level and 9th character level. im considering taking arcane strike as my 9th level feat but i need a rule clarification.

can i use arcane strike while holding a spell?

basically i want to be able to cast shocking grasp or some other touch spell and use arcane strike at the same time giving me 1d4+5d6(shocking)+3d4(third level spell).

is this possible?
Rickiel
09-10-06, 10:34 PM :mymy:

That...is....if legal...absolutely genius!!!

ROGUE-MAGE GENIUS!

Dear sir, if this is as true as I hope it is... I say encore!

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::cla p:

Well I think it should work, Arcane Strike's a swift action as far as I know.
Shaggy_Shaggs
09-10-06, 10:56 PM Technically, arcane strike isn't casting a spell either, just sacrificing it. I see no reason it should mess up a held charge.
serow_#R
09-11-06, 07:53 AM it should.
AS just sacrifices a spellslot as a free action, nothing to do with spellcasting at all.
konad
09-11-06, 01:48 PM :mymy:

That...is....if legal...absolutely genius!!!

ROGUE-MAGE GENIUS!

Dear sir, if this is as true as I hope it is... I say encore!

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::cla p:

Well I think it should work, Arcane Strike's a swift action as far as I know.

thx, my group is kinda bad in this aspect, we are all power gamers and rules lawyers, not so bad as we all do it.

thx for the input guys, cant wait to pull this one off the first time

and rick since u seemed to like the idea so much here is my character

rogue 2, battle sorcerer 5, daggerspell mage 2

battle sorcerer is from unearthed arcana, gives me d8's on my socerer levels as well as the ability to cast spells in light armor w/out failure chance (currently wearing mithral breastplate +1). trade off is a retarded spell progession, as a 6th level sorcerer i know 6/3/1/1 and can cast 5/5/4/2 w/out my bonus spells, not a huge deal as it seems since i only use magic to augment my fighting abilities. using my abilities i will as a 10 level daggerspell be able to get this in one round.

5 attacks, 3 on main hand due to my +11 BAB and 2 from my off hand because of improved two-weapon fighting, all sneak attack thx to improved invisibility. i will use arcane strike, i will have shocking grasp or vampiric touch on my secondary weapon and get a lighting bolt to hit with my main hand, both will be one time only but thats ok. sacrifice a 7th level slot as i will be a 14th level caster at that point. thus giving me +7 and +7d4 on all my attacks

so main hand.
1st att. - 1d4(dagger)+14d6(cone of cold)+7d4(arcane strike)+4d6(sneak attack)
2nd att. - 1d4(dagger)+7d4(arcane strike)+4d6(sneak attack)
3rd att. - 1d4(dagger)+7d4(arcane strike)+4d6(sneak attack)

off hand
1st att. - 1d4(dagger)+7d6(vampiric touch)+7d4(arcane strike)+4d6(sneak attack)
2nd att. - 1d4(dagger)+7d4(arcane strike)+4d6(sneak attack)

so if i hit all five times on the same thing thats 40d4+41d6 not counting str modifiers and any magic modifiers on my daggers.

assuming my math is correct.
Bulletproof_Condom
09-11-06, 08:24 PM What are your attack bonuses? I can give you a real average for any AC you might encounter.
konad
09-11-06, 08:38 PM attack bonuses at that point, will probably be around +11 from BAB, +7 from arcane strike, +6 from dex, +2 from weapon

so thats +26 total on my first attack

character level by the time im able to do that will be 17 so is all the damage possible? yes, likely, no
pawsplay
09-12-06, 03:22 AM Arcane strike has to be used on a particular weapon. You would get the to-hit bonus if you used it on your fist, but no damage bonus unless you decided to punch instead of touch.
KmartKommando
09-12-06, 08:10 PM Doesn't a daggerspell mage get a dagger flurry at 10th level? extra attack, all at -2.
Bulletproof_Condom
09-13-06, 01:29 AM I'm getting an average of 160.60 damage per round versus AC 30 with that combo. 239.39 vs. AC 20, 21.44 vs. AC 40.

That's a weighted average based on the possible outcomes of the d20 roll(s). It would've been higher if any of that multiplied on a crit.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
konad 09-10-06, 09:20 PM	i am currently playing a daggerspell mage. i have just hit 2nd class level and 9th character level. im considering taking arcane strike as my 9th level feat but i need a rule clarification. can i use arcane strike while holding a spell? basically i want to be able to cast shocking grasp or some other touch spell and use arcane strike at the same time giving me 1d4+5d6(shocking)+3d4(third level spell). is this possible?
Rickiel 09-10-06, 10:34 PM	:mymy: That...is....if legal...absolutely genius!!! ROGUE-MAGE GENIUS! Dear sir, if this is as true as I hope it is... I say encore! :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::cla p: Well I think it should work, Arcane Strike's a swift action as far as I know.
Shaggy_Shaggs 09-10-06, 10:56 PM	Technically, arcane strike isn't casting a spell either, just sacrificing it. I see no reason it should mess up a held charge.
serow_#R 09-11-06, 07:53 AM	it should. AS just sacrifices a spellslot as a free action, nothing to do with spellcasting at all.
konad 09-11-06, 01:48 PM	:mymy: That...is....if legal...absolutely genius!!! ROGUE-MAGE GENIUS! Dear sir, if this is as true as I hope it is... I say encore! :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::cla p: Well I think it should work, Arcane Strike's a swift action as far as I know. thx, my group is kinda bad in this aspect, we are all power gamers and rules lawyers, not so bad as we all do it. thx for the input guys, cant wait to pull this one off the first time and rick since u seemed to like the idea so much here is my character rogue 2, battle sorcerer 5, daggerspell mage 2 battle sorcerer is from unearthed arcana, gives me d8's on my socerer levels as well as the ability to cast spells in light armor w/out failure chance (currently wearing mithral breastplate +1). trade off is a retarded spell progession, as a 6th level sorcerer i know 6/3/1/1 and can cast 5/5/4/2 w/out my bonus spells, not a huge deal as it seems since i only use magic to augment my fighting abilities. using my abilities i will as a 10 level daggerspell be able to get this in one round. 5 attacks, 3 on main hand due to my +11 BAB and 2 from my off hand because of improved two-weapon fighting, all sneak attack thx to improved invisibility. i will use arcane strike, i will have shocking grasp or vampiric touch on my secondary weapon and get a lighting bolt to hit with my main hand, both will be one time only but thats ok. sacrifice a 7th level slot as i will be a 14th level caster at that point. thus giving me +7 and +7d4 on all my attacks so main hand. 1st att. - 1d4(dagger)+14d6(cone of cold)+7d4(arcane strike)+4d6(sneak attack) 2nd att. - 1d4(dagger)+7d4(arcane strike)+4d6(sneak attack) 3rd att. - 1d4(dagger)+7d4(arcane strike)+4d6(sneak attack) off hand 1st att. - 1d4(dagger)+7d6(vampiric touch)+7d4(arcane strike)+4d6(sneak attack) 2nd att. - 1d4(dagger)+7d4(arcane strike)+4d6(sneak attack) so if i hit all five times on the same thing thats 40d4+41d6 not counting str modifiers and any magic modifiers on my daggers. assuming my math is correct.
Bulletproof_Condom 09-11-06, 08:24 PM	What are your attack bonuses? I can give you a real average for any AC you might encounter.
konad 09-11-06, 08:38 PM	attack bonuses at that point, will probably be around +11 from BAB, +7 from arcane strike, +6 from dex, +2 from weapon so thats +26 total on my first attack character level by the time im able to do that will be 17 so is all the damage possible? yes, likely, no
pawsplay 09-12-06, 03:22 AM	Arcane strike has to be used on a particular weapon. You would get the to-hit bonus if you used it on your fist, but no damage bonus unless you decided to punch instead of touch.
KmartKommando 09-12-06, 08:10 PM	Doesn't a daggerspell mage get a dagger flurry at 10th level? extra attack, all at -2.
Bulletproof_Condom 09-13-06, 01:29 AM	I'm getting an average of 160.60 damage per round versus AC 30 with that combo. 239.39 vs. AC 20, 21.44 vs. AC 40. That's a weighted average based on the possible outcomes of the d20 roll(s). It would've been higher if any of that multiplied on a crit.