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Blacksworddragon 04-02-07, 06:42 PM	How do I create poisons in a campaign that does not incorporate Assassins or any books that have the information needed. I'd like to use the roleplaying aspect of the game to attain my goal instead of skill proficiencies. Any help will be accepted.
mtrpcic 04-02-07, 06:51 PM	Why not just say you got them from the creatures? You milked a snake for its venom, etc.
Nor'Morgwae 04-02-07, 07:28 PM	I really don't think we're going to be able to help much on this one. I'm assumeing the no assassin was probably a DM call, likely because it requires you to be evil? You really just need to talk to you DM about it. If he doesn't want you using poisons then no advice here will help, if he doesn't mind then you really don't even need to be asking us. Poisonmaking works just like any other craft skill, the item costs are in the DMG and the DM would set the craft DC. When in doubt, just make a feat: True Apothacary Prerequisite: Craft (poison) 5 ranks Benefit: You do not suffer a chance of poisoning yourself when applying poison to a weapon and you gain a +4 bonus to heal checks made to avoid secondary poison effects.
Goldenmaxter 04-02-07, 07:31 PM	Take the brew potion feat and you can create potions of poison with a spellcaster. I always made the feat improved brew potion to make even higher level potions. Hope that helps :P
DarkNick 04-02-07, 09:32 PM	How do I create poisons in a campaign that does not incorporate Assassins or any books that have the information needed. I'd like to use the roleplaying aspect of the game to attain my goal instead of skill proficiencies. Any help will be accepted. An assassin is just someone that kills for money... not that hard to achieve really.
Blacksworddragon 04-03-07, 12:49 PM	After thinking it over, the real problem is that my DM is new and inexperienced and bringing new ideas to him require more justification than 'I got from a creature' especially consideing that my party has barely left the town that he's placed us. We haven't had opportunity to do much except interact with townsfolk. I want to add something to the mix but I have to have a feasable explaination as to how I got the stuff.
Zandolit 04-03-07, 01:16 PM	Maybe there's some obvious reason this wouldn't work and I'm missing it, but... you're in a town? Can't you just buy some poisons? Not very dramatic, but definitely pretty feasible. I mean, sure, this could involve some shady dealings (but so does poisoning people in the first place,) but all sorts of things are poisonous. I'm sure you could find some reasonable excuse to buy something toxic. Who exactly do you intend to poison? Are you intending to start working as an assassin and so need access to them on a large scale? Unless you specifically want to make them for some reason, it shouldn't be hard to find something poisonous to buy. I can't see you DM disputing the logic of that unless poisons aren't allowed at all, in which case you won't be able to make them either.
Blacksworddragon 04-03-07, 01:29 PM	Naturally the first thing I did was ask around town. Unfortunately tthis is one of the most backwards towns I've ever encountered. Food can only be purchased from the town's one tavern (any kind of food including rations and all the guy sells is meat and cheese!) and water can only be found at a water spigot a good distance outside of town. Guess what no one sells poison. As to who I want to poison, there is an old man that happens to be an ex-Rogue that has decided that I owe him money and goes out of his way to politly ruin any business or personal deals I attempt to arrange... I want to kill him but not make it obviouds that it was me. Poison or Arson are my weapons of choise so I'm entertaining my poison option before our next session. By the way the rest of the party sucks at roleplaying so I find my self having to do all of the thinking.
garcon_fille 04-04-07, 04:07 PM	As to who I want to poison, there is an old man that happens to be an ex-Rogue that has decided that I owe him money and goes out of his way to politly ruin any business or personal deals I attempt to arrange... I want to kill him but not make it obviouds that it was me. Poison or Arson are my weapons of choise so I'm entertaining my poison option before our next session. By the way the rest of the party sucks at roleplaying so I find my self having to do all of the thinking. Ok, as a bard there are sooooo many things you could do to thwart this person other than directly poisoning him or setting him on fire. Bards are charismatic and intelligent (unless you're playing one of those organic characters) and of all the classes probably have the most 'tricks' up their sleeves. So find a way to turn the situation to your advantage. You seem like an intelligent person, so it shouldn't be that hard. If your DM won't let you role-play your way out of it (i.e. seemingly invincible and omnipotent ex-Rogue) maybe you should talk to him/her privately, as it doesn't seem like that situation is very fair or very fun. This is all assuming, of course, that this ex-Rogue is targeting only you. Are other players' characters placed in similar conundrums?
Praedoran 04-04-07, 04:45 PM	Poisons aren't lethal biochemical contraptions created by Assasins and Alchemists... at least not all the time. The simplest of poisons are just common everyday materials that people found inedible. D&D poisons most often extracted from poisonous creatures. In our modern times though, a syringe filled with cleaning solutions will kill someone. Medieval Times? Plants and Fungi, Paint, Lamp Oil, Spoiled Food (Disease, but sometimes you can get Poisons from it) and Animal Poisons.
garcon_fille 04-04-07, 05:34 PM	If you are determined to use poison, plants and fungi, especially, are a good poison resource for the D&D setting... they may not produce magical poisoning effects like Mummy Rot, but are, as they say, 'quick and dirty'. There are a lot of good resources available outside of the game setting for finding out which plants and fungi are poisonous and what their effects are. The most poisonous plant in North America (arguably) is water hemlock, and it's been known and used as a poison since Classical times at least. It also grows as a weed in wet lowland meadows and swamps... meadows and rivers are often associated with human developments such as cities... A thoughtful stroll around the outskirts of town might prove fruitful... (Though you'd still need a good reason for your character knowing which plant to use and why). Good luck! ;)
Blacksworddragon 04-04-07, 05:39 PM	Ok, as a bard there are sooooo many things you could do to thwart this person other than directly poisoning him or setting him on fire. Bards are charismatic and intelligent (unless you're playing one of those organic characters) and of all the classes probably have the most 'tricks' up their sleeves. So find a way to turn the situation to your advantage. You seem like an intelligent person, so it shouldn't be that hard. If your DM won't let you role-play your way out of it (i.e. seemingly invincible and omnipotent ex-Rogue) maybe you should talk to him/her privately, as it doesn't seem like that situation is very fair or very fun. This is all assuming, of course, that this ex-Rogue is targeting only you. Are other players' characters placed in similar conundrums? The issue isn't me being smart enough to talk my way out of a stuation, its the DM's habit of changing the encounter in order to counteract what I'm plan or hinting at. Or even worse he tailors the NPC's action to counteract my own 'out of game' musings (for instance, after hearing me ask about the layout of the guys house and the difficulty of picking locks 'out of game' the old man went out and brought expert locks at the beginning of the next session! :ahem: ). And yes, he only targets me...
_SIN_ 04-04-07, 09:22 PM	Bards have a knack for telling stories and tales. Start one up about some ex-rogue and discredit him... Leave town, maybe?... Find mundane poisons - like salt. Yeah, you need a fair bit, but a couple of kilos'll kill him off - HOW you force feed him it is another question entirely. (Well, in theory you could just 'up' his salt intake over a period of time which'll have the same outcome, it's just a longer process). How much do you owe? Why not just steal his locks, sell them, then pay up. Personally, I'd go with burning the guys house down. And if you're DM prevents it, I'd go with burning your DMs house down...
calronmoonflower 04-04-07, 10:15 PM	Take ranks in craft(alchemy) and make them yourself. Many of the things that are poisonous can be used as medicine in smaller doses and different combinations.
wizarddog 04-05-07, 02:18 AM	The issue isn't me being smart enough to talk my way out of a stuation, its the DM's habit of changing the encounter in order to counteract what I'm plan or hinting at. Or even worse he tailors the NPC's action to counteract my own 'out of game' musings (for instance, after hearing me ask about the layout of the guys house and the difficulty of picking locks 'out of game' the old man went out and brought expert locks at the beginning of the next session! :ahem: ). And yes, he only targets me... Sounds like a poor attempt trying to get you to do something in certain way for the game. If your ideas are being countered before you even start then he is trying to get you to do something specific. You need to talk to the rogue and work out an arrangement/quest to settle accounts. I would simply not reveal to the DM what my intentions are or mislead him in thinking I'm doing something else. Then I reavel what it is and the DM will have to rule on whether it was sucessful. If the DM wants a challenge of wits give it to him and if he starts to metagame :eek: then there is not much you can do. wizarddog
Blacksworddragon 04-05-07, 04:00 PM	I think I like the idea of coming to some kind of agreement with the old man while I plot against him. After speaking with him I've found that he feels that I no longer owe im money but he sees me as an easy mark. When the DM is against you it fels lie things are helpless but I've begun to look forward to the challenge. Thanks for all the help and keep the ideas coming... that old fart is oing to get his sooner or later. :devil: