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mattdaman 07-11-06, 08:49 PM	alrite we have a dm against magic and the only mage is moving away well without a mage a party is screwed, so i asked the mage because he is my best friend to teach me how to make a better mage he did but i still have th e problem of him being against magic how do i get around that being only a fifth level mage any help on this subject would greatly appricciated :schemes:
Aeromus 07-11-06, 09:01 PM	alrite we have a dm against magic and the only mage is moving away well without a mage a party is screwed, so i asked the mage because he is my best friend to teach me how to make a better mage he did but i still have th e problem of him being against magic how do i get around that being only a fifth level mage any help on this subject would greatly appricciated :schemes: I apoligize if you aren't from an english speaking locale. With that in mind. Please learn to at least type and spell with some semi-intelligent thought. That entire run un sentence made zero frakking sense to anyone. Now to answer what I "think" you are asking. Smack your DM in the crotch and tell him to stop being a magic hater. Or start playing D20 Modern.
DarkNick 07-11-06, 09:07 PM	Chill Aeromas, it is probably just a young fella. Have you asked him why he does not like magic? Is the problem that he treats mages badly? Does he not give you magic items?
mattdaman 07-11-06, 09:17 PM	he does give us magic items but he just h8s magic like the use of spells and the mage that left wus lvl 26 and could do 36000 in a round
AZNsupermarket 07-11-06, 10:15 PM	he does give us magic items but he just h8s magic like the use of spells and the mage that left wus lvl 26 and could do 36000 in a round I'm going to be blunt with you. People here (I'm trying to put this in the nicest way possible) are grammar snobs. Pretend that you are writing something for school and avoid using as much internet lingo as possible or else people will avoid answering your question. It makes it easier for everyone to understand what you are tryine say when you write full words and proof-read before posting. Thank You :)
Vacerious 07-11-06, 11:30 PM	he does give us magic items but he just h8s magic like the use of spells and the mage that left wus lvl 26 and could do 36000 in a round That is probably the root of your DM's problem of magic-hating. Epic Level spellcasting is more broken than an irreplacable vase at a birthday party filled with caffinated five-year-olds. That, and even non-epic, high level mages have a tendency to be ungodly powerful. Even pun-pun has a level in wizard. If you want your DM to stop magic-hating, don't use any obviously broken builds that you might have learned from your friend. I also noticed that, in your original post, you stated that you were only a 5th level 'mage', while your friend was 26th level. I do hope you're exaggerating, because that kind of power-gap could only occur through hardcore power-gaming/munchkinism. So, in all likelihood, your DM hated YOUR FRIEND'S MAGE, not magic in general.
Zillah 07-12-06, 07:55 AM	er...the thing about it is, if your DM hates magic because of a "level 26" then he is an idiot. if you are gonna be a level 5, then its NOTHING compared to a level 26. he can't compare that. if you are a level 5 you are not powerful. don't play in his stupid campaign. i can't stand it when DM's are biast
mattdaman 07-12-06, 10:05 AM	wut happened wus he got a wish and wish wus so exact the dm couldnt find a problem that wish go thim to lvl 25. But he hated the mage at level 7.
Tormsskull 07-12-06, 10:35 AM	wut happened wus he got a wish and wish wus so exact the dm couldnt find a problem that wish go thim to lvl 25. But he hated the mage at level 7. Ask your DM to elaborate on how someone was able to wish for levels. Chances are you are playing with the young crowd, the people who don't know the rules all that well and are just looking to have a fun time together. That's cool, just realise that rules aren't going to be rock solid.
Zillah 07-12-06, 10:40 AM	wut happened wus he got a wish and wish wus so exact the dm couldnt find a problem that wish go thim to lvl 25. But he hated the mage at level 7. well again, the DM is an idiot for not perverting the WISH like the DM's job is supposed to be. that is stupid. moronic DM
Chaotica Maxima 07-12-06, 11:22 AM	*Loads the hammergun* So, where's the bugger?
Puca 07-12-06, 11:28 AM	A wish can produce any one of the following effects. Duplicate any wizard or sorcerer spell of 8th level or lower, provided the spell is not of a school prohibited to you. Duplicate any other spell of 6th level or lower, provided the spell is not of a school prohibited to you. Duplicate any wizard or sorcerer spell of 7th level or lower even if it’s of a prohibited school. Duplicate any other spell of 5th level or lower even if it’s of a prohibited school. Undo the harmful effects of many other spells, such as geas/quest or insanity. Create a nonmagical item of up to 25,000 gp in value. Create a magic item, or add to the powers of an existing magic item. Grant a creature a +1 inherent bonus to an ability score. Two to five wish spells cast in immediate succession can grant a creature a +2 to +5 inherent bonus to an ability score (two wishes for a +2 inherent bonus, three for a +3 inherent bonus, and so on). Inherent bonuses are instantaneous, so they cannot be dispelled. Note: An inherent bonus may not exceed +5 for a single ability score, and inherent bonuses to a particular ability score do not stack, so only the best one applies. Remove injuries and afflictions. A single wish can aid one creature per caster level, and all subjects are cured of the same kind of affliction. For example, you could heal all the damage you and your companions have taken, or remove all poison effects from everyone in the party, but not do both with the same wish. A wish can never restore the experience point loss from casting a spell or the level or Constitution loss from being raised from the dead. Revive the dead. A wish can bring a dead creature back to life by duplicating a resurrection spell. A wish can revive a dead creature whose body has been destroyed, but the task takes two wishes, one to recreate the body and another to infuse the body with life again. A wish cannot prevent a character who was brought back to life from losing an experience level. Transport travelers. A wish can lift one creature per caster level from anywhere on any plane and place those creatures anywhere else on any plane regardless of local conditions. An unwilling target gets a Will save to negate the effect, and spell resistance (if any) applies. Undo misfortune. A wish can undo a single recent event. The wish forces a reroll of any roll made within the last round (including your last turn). Reality reshapes itself to accommodate the new result. For example, a wish could undo an opponent’s successful save, a foe’s successful critical hit (either the attack roll or the critical roll), a friend’s failed save, and so on. The reroll, however, may be as bad as or worse than the original roll. An unwilling target gets a Will save to negate the effect, and spell resistance (if any) applies. OK, you cant wish for like 20 levels, thats pretty clear. So, on to the next problem: Your DM hates mages. Well, as was already suggested, it might be that he hates them because your friend was a lying cheating twink. (Not just a card-carrying member of the Lollypop Guild, but an actual bad person.) And your DM didnt know better because hes young and inexperienced. Talk to him. Point out that you know mages cant do that crap, and learn the rules, so you can play a fair mage. If that doesnt change his perspective, play Pun Pun.
Oren 07-12-06, 08:52 PM	There is also the possibility that the DM just prefers a low magic campaign idea. Running a more tactical, squad-based game centered around fighters and such can be fun for some people. I know I prefer to run them from time to time because having the one character able to throw around 12d6 fireballs every round gets to be a hassle sometimes. Basically, if he doesn't want to have mages in his game, either leave, or accept it. Hes the one willing to run the campaign for you guys. As long as he agrees to not throw mages at you, and keeps in mind that you guys wont have access to spells, then the campaign can go quite smoothly. Aside from that, the whole wish thing was redonkulously stupid.
Gemstone 07-12-06, 10:16 PM	well again, the DM is an idiot for not perverting the WISH like the DM's job is supposed to be. that is stupid. moronic DM Which is exactly the reason why people tend to avoid using wish :rolleyes: is there anybody here who doesn't screw over his players when they cast a wish? I mean, sure they may not get exactly what they want, but you don't have to screw them over so hard that they need new characters every time they use wish. I mean, the spell was put there for a reason. Now, the most intelligent thing to do is to discuss this with your DM and try to find out how you to can co-operate. Instead of making an überbuild or ünderbuild, just make a normal build and ask your DM what he think's is to much and then explain to him why you don't think it's to much :D
Aeromus 07-13-06, 07:59 AM	Which is exactly the reason why people tend to avoid using wish :rolleyes: is there anybody here who doesn't screw over his players when they cast a wish? I mean, sure they may not get exactly what they want, but you don't have to screw them over so hard that they need new characters every time they use wish. I mean, the spell was put there for a reason. Now, the most intelligent thing to do is to discuss this with your DM and try to find out how you to can co-operate. Instead of making an überbuild or ünderbuild, just make a normal build and ask your DM what he think's is to much and then explain to him why you don't think it's to much :D I only screw my players over if they sit down and try and lawyer out a two paragraph wish to "keep from getting screwed." Simply "I wish I stronger, younger, smarter, prettier, had more money had this magic item within reason (and being level 17 to cast the spell I think most magic items are reasonable) this information, save this town/person/area, find this town/person/area ect. Wishes for more wishes, more xp, or any meta-game material.."I wish I was level 37." always fail.
zae 07-13-06, 08:42 AM	is there anybody here who doesn't screw over his players when they cast a wish? If a player Wishes for something they shouldn't have, regardless of wording, then I just say "Nothing happens" (if they cast the spell - there, they get screwed in that they spent XP and a spell slot on "No effect" - you can do the same thing by trying to cast a cantrip in full plate, but without the costs) or "The (Wish-granting creature) laughs heartily and says no." If they ask for something reasonable (example: Listed under the actual spell description - some things not listed also work, particularly non-mechanical things) then regardless of wording, the Wish is granted. Just like that. But I know a lot who don't understand that learning a 9th level spell (that's an expensive thing to do for a Sorcerer), expending a 9th level spell slot (reasonably costly for a Wizard), and the XP cost as well, all combined, should grant you something good, and believe it is the job of the DM to screw the player over every time. To be fair though, those DMs suck. One of them is just stupid, the other likes White Wolf games (which should explain his attitude towards catastrophic failures, players, and any character who is good/successful at what he does and isn't overshadowed by every NPC). It's nice when DMs read the rules though, and realise it's not 2Ed anymore, that the rules of what can be done are clearly spelled out.
Gemstone 07-13-06, 08:43 AM	I only screw my players over if they sit down and try and lawyer out a two paragraph wish to "keep from getting screwed." Simply "I wish I stronger, younger, smarter, prettier, had more money had this magic item within reason (and being level 17 to cast the spell I think most magic items are reasonable) this information, save this town/person/area, find this town/person/area ect. It's wishes such as those that I regulary see people yell "help me screw over!" on these boards sadly Wishes for more wishes, more xp, or any meta-game material.."I wish I was level 37." always fail. Yes, they fail. I don't screw them over for wishing such a thing., Sure, maybe once I make something funny to them, but nothing that guarantees a TPK. Im not saying that you screw them over, Im just saying that a lot of people do
Oren 07-13-06, 07:24 PM	"I Wish I was level 37/super strong/etc" situations are typically fun for me as I simply say "okay, hand me your sheet for a minute" Then I erase their name, and change it to whatever they asked for. Its not a huge hit to the player, but they lose a wish and learn to not be stupid a again.
CaptainHurricane 07-14-06, 07:53 PM	Maybe I've never done a "real" epic level campaign but 36000 damage seems like a lot of damge. Anyway you should probably convince your DM to read more into magic because it really is an important part of the DnD realm. I never used to make characters based on magic because I thought it was too difficult to figure out etc etc so I stuck to fighter/other warrior classes. All I can say is that if your DM doesn't like magic, then its not much of a campaign. A level 7 mage shouldn't be that difficult to work with either; even before it went super epic (which is just crazy IMO). Maybe your DM needs to study the books a little more and read the DM guide 36 times before letting people wish for level 26. Seriously make them read it because playing the game without some restrictions for the DM and the PC's makes everyone power hungry. Those situations lead to these kinds of problems.