Being exalted around warlocks [Archive] - Wizards Community

Being exalted around warlocks [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Fasius
08-05-06, 08:25 AM In the D&D group I play in we recently had some difficulties, and as a result of that some players, including me, are creating new characters.

We all play different characters, and now I plan on playing a Neutral Good cleric. The difficulty though is that I want him to be Exalted. I read the Book of Exalted Deeds, and think I know the basics of it.

When I told my friends (and fellow party-members) about it, they questioned my decision, because of some other party-members. Two of them are warlocks, and I was told that as an Exalted character, being around warlocks who are partially demon-possessed, would raise an intolerable situation, and my Exalted character would be almost obsessed with redeeming the warlocks.

I doubt that though. I know Exalted characters view redeeming evil characters as one of the culminations of their beliefs. But this doesn't make it an obsession while being around specific characters with a rather shady background (the warlocks), does it? My character doesn't even now they are warlocks, and even if he finds out, I can imagine him trying to teach them other ways, since being neutral good is all about being non-forcefully good (not being lawful that is), even when combined with being Exalted.

The question here is: will being Exalted create an intolerable situation while being around warlock-type characters, when you take a realistic look at being Exalted? Of course it's all about your own decisions and actions, but I believe playing an Exalted character without fully understanding the concept behind it is worthless. There might be more to being Exalted than I know, and if that is the case, please enlighten me.
Sylian
08-05-06, 09:21 AM Are the warlocks bringing harm to others?
If they are, he should try to redeem them, or atleast stop them.
WayneTheGame
08-05-06, 09:49 AM What alignment are they? If they're Chaotic Good then you have nothing to worry about... if they're the typical Chaotic Neutral then I would try in-character to push them more along the Chaotic Good route and convince them to be the redeemed sort of Warlock (i.e. the kind who wants to atone for their demon-like heritage by doing good).

Hope this helps! :)

Regards,
Wayne
Serin Ghar
08-05-06, 10:40 AM Why are the two Warlocks demon possessed? Because they're Warlocks?
That isn't how the class works as written in Complete Arcane. Anyway, they don't even need to be related to demons at all as Complete Arcane also says that sometimes pacts with Fey give these powers as well (or so I remember). Fey are cool with Book of Exalted Deeds.
DarknessEternal
08-05-06, 12:48 PM Your group is misinformed about Warlocks. They are not possessed or controled by demons in any way.
Toloran
08-05-06, 01:19 PM Warlocks get their power by making a pact with powerful forces (either they them selves or one of their ansestors does it). Often that means demonic, but it could also mean fey. In either case, they aren't possessed by such powers or even controled by them.
Mordayn
08-05-06, 02:09 PM I actually have an exalted warlock in my campaign, he's CG and has the Nymph's kiss feat, he got his warlock powers from a fey (But he doesn't know this yet himself). Although the warlock may seem dark and some of his invocations are inherently evil (Dark speech f.ex), not all warlocks need to choose these invocations.

Of course, if both the warlocks in your group are embracing an evil heritage, this would be a problem for your exalted character. But even if their powers come from an evil source, they might use it for good, and even become exalted themselves. It depends upon how the characters are being played.

You could try to talk to the warlock players and ask how they feel about an exalted character in the party, if their ok with it I see no reason as to why this shouldn't work.
Wuggadad
08-05-06, 03:29 PM Nymph's Kiss for a Fey Warlock? Cool! Very scared of his Diplomacy roll if he takes Beguiling Influence.

That would give your warlock a pretty good UMD too.
Alric
08-05-06, 03:35 PM Well lets assume your right for a second and you would want to redeem them. Now what better way to redeem them than by traveling along with them and helping them do good? Chances are your not playing an evil campaign, so even if their rude and act semi evil they are probably not going to go around killing everyone(I hope). As long as your not trying to smite them though, there would be room to work with them.
Kursk
08-05-06, 08:35 PM Any good aligned cleric that is in a group would try to handle evil characters in the group and would probably leave said group rather then help evil characters. I'm assuming these other guys are evil though.
mephistophelesatefaust
08-05-06, 09:54 PM Odd that this should come up. I recently played an exalted monk, travelling with an initially CN, though eventually CG, Warlock. I made it my highest priority to convert him, and eventually succeeded, at which point he gained the enmity of several rather powerful demons, but gained the backing of the Companions, taking several exalted feats, and making for one of my favourite roleplaying experiences to date. Good luck with yours.

Cheers.
Fasius
08-06-06, 12:19 PM Your group is misinformed about Warlocks. They are not possessed or controled by demons in any way.

No, one of them is simply touched or something, but the other one actually is possessed (something he and the DM worked out). Though that is partially the past, since the demon was released from him. But he's still a freak (and a Blood Magus now).
Rotipher
08-06-06, 12:45 PM If the possessed warlock's fiend has been expelled, your PC could approach the situation as if the other PC is recovering from a terrible illness, and needs help in healing the spiritual scars that have resulted. Trying to "heal" the warlock's psychological scars is very much in keeping with an Exalted mindset.

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Fasius 08-05-06, 08:25 AM	In the D&D group I play in we recently had some difficulties, and as a result of that some players, including me, are creating new characters. We all play different characters, and now I plan on playing a Neutral Good cleric. The difficulty though is that I want him to be Exalted. I read the Book of Exalted Deeds, and think I know the basics of it. When I told my friends (and fellow party-members) about it, they questioned my decision, because of some other party-members. Two of them are warlocks, and I was told that as an Exalted character, being around warlocks who are partially demon-possessed, would raise an intolerable situation, and my Exalted character would be almost obsessed with redeeming the warlocks. I doubt that though. I know Exalted characters view redeeming evil characters as one of the culminations of their beliefs. But this doesn't make it an obsession while being around specific characters with a rather shady background (the warlocks), does it? My character doesn't even now they are warlocks, and even if he finds out, I can imagine him trying to teach them other ways, since being neutral good is all about being non-forcefully good (not being lawful that is), even when combined with being Exalted. The question here is: will being Exalted create an intolerable situation while being around warlock-type characters, when you take a realistic look at being Exalted? Of course it's all about your own decisions and actions, but I believe playing an Exalted character without fully understanding the concept behind it is worthless. There might be more to being Exalted than I know, and if that is the case, please enlighten me.
Sylian 08-05-06, 09:21 AM	Are the warlocks bringing harm to others? If they are, he should try to redeem them, or atleast stop them.
WayneTheGame 08-05-06, 09:49 AM	What alignment are they? If they're Chaotic Good then you have nothing to worry about... if they're the typical Chaotic Neutral then I would try in-character to push them more along the Chaotic Good route and convince them to be the redeemed sort of Warlock (i.e. the kind who wants to atone for their demon-like heritage by doing good). Hope this helps! :) Regards, Wayne
Serin Ghar 08-05-06, 10:40 AM	Why are the two Warlocks demon possessed? Because they're Warlocks? That isn't how the class works as written in Complete Arcane. Anyway, they don't even need to be related to demons at all as Complete Arcane also says that sometimes pacts with Fey give these powers as well (or so I remember). Fey are cool with Book of Exalted Deeds.
DarknessEternal 08-05-06, 12:48 PM	Your group is misinformed about Warlocks. They are not possessed or controled by demons in any way.
Toloran 08-05-06, 01:19 PM	Warlocks get their power by making a pact with powerful forces (either they them selves or one of their ansestors does it). Often that means demonic, but it could also mean fey. In either case, they aren't possessed by such powers or even controled by them.
Mordayn 08-05-06, 02:09 PM	I actually have an exalted warlock in my campaign, he's CG and has the Nymph's kiss feat, he got his warlock powers from a fey (But he doesn't know this yet himself). Although the warlock may seem dark and some of his invocations are inherently evil (Dark speech f.ex), not all warlocks need to choose these invocations. Of course, if both the warlocks in your group are embracing an evil heritage, this would be a problem for your exalted character. But even if their powers come from an evil source, they might use it for good, and even become exalted themselves. It depends upon how the characters are being played. You could try to talk to the warlock players and ask how they feel about an exalted character in the party, if their ok with it I see no reason as to why this shouldn't work.
Wuggadad 08-05-06, 03:29 PM	Nymph's Kiss for a Fey Warlock? Cool! Very scared of his Diplomacy roll if he takes Beguiling Influence. That would give your warlock a pretty good UMD too.
Alric 08-05-06, 03:35 PM	Well lets assume your right for a second and you would want to redeem them. Now what better way to redeem them than by traveling along with them and helping them do good? Chances are your not playing an evil campaign, so even if their rude and act semi evil they are probably not going to go around killing everyone(I hope). As long as your not trying to smite them though, there would be room to work with them.
Kursk 08-05-06, 08:35 PM	Any good aligned cleric that is in a group would try to handle evil characters in the group and would probably leave said group rather then help evil characters. I'm assuming these other guys are evil though.
mephistophelesatefaust 08-05-06, 09:54 PM	Odd that this should come up. I recently played an exalted monk, travelling with an initially CN, though eventually CG, Warlock. I made it my highest priority to convert him, and eventually succeeded, at which point he gained the enmity of several rather powerful demons, but gained the backing of the Companions, taking several exalted feats, and making for one of my favourite roleplaying experiences to date. Good luck with yours. Cheers.
Fasius 08-06-06, 12:19 PM	Your group is misinformed about Warlocks. They are not possessed or controled by demons in any way. No, one of them is simply touched or something, but the other one actually is possessed (something he and the DM worked out). Though that is partially the past, since the demon was released from him. But he's still a freak (and a Blood Magus now).
Rotipher 08-06-06, 12:45 PM	If the possessed warlock's fiend has been expelled, your PC could approach the situation as if the other PC is recovering from a terrible illness, and needs help in healing the spiritual scars that have resulted. Trying to "heal" the warlock's psychological scars is very much in keeping with an Exalted mindset.