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ShadowDragon8685 09-21-05, 04:25 PM	Okay, so here's the deal. In a game I'm playing, which has a mage academy as it's setting (where wizards attend until level 8,) my character was caught 'on the battlement's with another girl. Which means she was sleeping with her... Well, on the battlements. (Not too imaginative.) A slimey son of a snake Tief'ling has decided to blackmail my character, demanding five vials of Ambrosia (something worth 200 GP an ounce) in a week. I know damned well he's gonna keep demanding five a week, or something, because that's what extortionists do. My character is Chaotic Neutral, leaning towards Chaotic Good. But, we have problems; 1: She's an ultra-gothling, who has only very recently been opened up by someone else. She still has trouble empathizing with people she dosen't like. 2: She hates men. Very Drowish there (even though she's a half-elf.) 3: She Loooathes being blackmailed. 4: She's got all the makings of a columbine kid. The Tief'ling demanded that the hand-off be in the dorms. How can I do something to him so severe that he won't ever THINK of trying anything again. His continued survival on the Prime Material is not a requirement. My first idea, which I shared with the DM, was to get an alchemy student with Brew Potion to help me cook up five amber-colored Potions of Fireballs, and engineer the vials to break easily, and thus automatically detonate when I drop a sixth fireball on him. I figure 30d6 should cook his goose. But obviously, I can't do that in a crowded dormitory. Especially the females' dorms; my character is finding herself rather protective of her fellow girls. I need ideas. I need to toast him in a permanant manner that can't be connected to my character. And there is a high-level Cleric in the school as nurse, so Ressurection has to be ruled out.
20goingon1232 09-21-05, 04:47 PM	5 Vials of poison (your choice, but I prefer -Con ones) coloured to look like your favourite drink.
Platinu Kismet 09-21-05, 04:49 PM	What proof does he have that you slept with her? Is it his word against the 2 of your's? If so, he's half-demon. Who are they going to believe? In this world, is a girl sleeping with another girl such a bad thing that they'd waste the time of a cleric to have them come in and cast 'Detect Lie' or some other truth divining spell?
ytookay 09-21-05, 05:14 PM	Go with the fireball idea. If anyone gets hurt then, well, at least it'll be interesting.
feartheinvinceblehamster 09-21-05, 05:22 PM	he could be rezzed for fireball. i need to know what level you are. and it is hard to do so without him being rezzed, looking at the spell list.
IceFractal 09-21-05, 05:25 PM	1) Write some explosive runes on the vials. Stick as many as possible in there - one on each vial, one on each lid, tie the vials together with a ribbon and put some runes on that too - really, as much as you can fit. 2) Make sure he's at least 10' away from anyone else when you give him the vials. 3) After giving him the vials and stepping back 10' or more, cast Dispel Magic on the vials, willingly failing your Dispel check. 4) Watch the fireworks - each Explosive Runes does 6d6 force damage, so if you put one on each vial and lid, thats 12 - which would deal 72d6 force damage to him. And since the area is only a 10' radius, you can avoid collateral damage - except to the floor, perhaps. And if you want to be subtle, don't Dispel the runes right away - get someone else to do it while you're not there. As far as can be proved, some unknown mage hit him with a really powerful forceblast.
feartheinvinceblehamster 09-21-05, 05:28 PM	he could be rezzed. kill him off with the old explosive runes trick. then go to the nurse with his body and put like 100 explosive runes on his corpse. kill of the nurse with 600d6 force damage. now with your tiredness, kill off some of the kids with runes, fireballs, and anything else you can muster. any teachers nail with explosive runes.
Fiery_Overlord 09-21-05, 06:09 PM	use your sexual allure to trick him to a private meeting. Have the other girl help you if you have too. Use a trap the soul scroll to make a gem a trap for him. cassually hand it to him in the form of a neckless as you undress. Take the gem and hide it inbetween three tree token trees placed close enough to grow together. Detect magic can't see through three feet of wood so no one will find him. Enchant the gem with nondetection before you use it if you are really worried about high level characters looking for him. This way you don't have to kill him, however it is still evil but much less "messy". The other way is to kill him and animate his corpse so he can't be true resurected until his body is found and killed again. I would bury the animated corpse (making it dig its own grave of course) and use a tree token to hide the grave. or the less evil option is find out a dirty secret of his and blackmail him back. This is known as "politics", and is how the world at large works. This is my suggestion if you want to stay neutral, with good tendances (sometimes). If he really is a sleave you'll be able to find out enough dirt to get him off your back with a weeks worth of digging. Remember the other girl could help you find stuff. Also on the revenge note Cursed Orgasm (Book of Erotic Fantasy page 102) is a great 3rd level spell to cast on him when he isn't looking. Essentually it makes sexual climax inflict as much damage as a fire ball, (1 orgasm per level ) making his sex life pretty bleak. The best thing is he probably would know until the first time the spell was triggered. or perhaps reverse gender (Book of Erotic Fantasy page 115) on him and slip him a love potion so you can catch him with male student and black mail him back. (the other male student doesn't need to know who the "new girl" is, but picking one infamous for being a lecher is a twisted sense of irony.)
Ogmug 09-21-05, 06:42 PM	Bah Find a pixie. Bribe them, and tell them he is evil. Have them shoot him several times with thier arrows. Special Arrows (Ex): Pixies sometimes employ arrows that deal no damage but can erase memory or put a creature to sleep. Memory Loss: An opponent struck by this arrow must succeed on a DC 15 Will save or lose all memory. The save DC is Charisma-based and includes a +2 racial bonus. The subject retains skills, languages, and class abilities but forgets everything else until he or she receives a heal spell or memory restoration with limited wish, wish, or miracle. Then "remind" the player that they actually do not belong in this school, city or even country and offer to give them what they need to get out. Also remind them that thier once friends are out to kill him. Watch the problem go away on its own accord, and still unable to remember. Course, once he is healed, it will be a reckoning, but by then you will have spread so many rumors about him that should he show his face again, he will likely be shot on sight.
Gedrin 09-21-05, 07:05 PM	I'm just not seeing why he needs to be harmed or given anything. Is it that he's threatening to make your sex life public? If so...you're in a dorm situation. Everyone already knows who your sleeping with. And So what? FYI, killing someone for talking about who you choose to sleep with...not a "leaning towards Chaotic Good" thing. More of a wierd control-freak thing. Now, this all assumes that you're not going to be burned alive or pay some otherwise crazy cost for being lesbian or bi. Since you didn't mention that in your original post, I'm guessing the consequences are just "unclear". If you are going to be harmed by this info, you should probaly try and find a new school to attend, and maybe a new country to live in. I'd recomend doing something that will allow you to stay a CN/G person rather than slipping down the murder slope. If you're going to be harmed, and need to stay in the situation, where your dormmates will likely find out anyway, go with a curse or something that will otherwise prevent the guy from talking. Killing him will draw all sorts of attention. It may be worth the investment to try and buy a higher level scroll to use on him, maybe even with memory erasure. Like most hunted subcultures, there are probably people around who could help with exactly this sort of thing.
Aldarionn 09-21-05, 07:30 PM	Pay a higher level wizard/sorcerer to cast Balefull Polymorph on him and turn him into a rabbit, then keep him as a pet for the rest of his life. It's even better if he passes the secondary will save and keeps his memory, because he is basically a Tiefling with a rabbit body and unable to do anything about it. Another option is to obliterate his soul, however you will quickly turn from CN to CE if you try that, but there are higher level spells that you can pay someone to cast (one time instead of having to pay blackmail for the rest of your life, and besides, it's fun to obliterate a soul now and again :D ) that can take care of the job for you. Get a wizard with a Mother Cyst (Libris Mortis) to implant a Necrotic Cyst in him, and then have him cast the spell that makes his body explode and the Cyst devours his soul (cannot remember the name, but it's pretty mean). No more Tiefling.....ever. Perfect if you don't care about becoming evil. Just make sure you do not catch yourself or your friends in the blast, as it can cause some pretty ansty things to happen. Finally, if you are bent on doing him in yourself, just try one of the fireball tricks you mentioned, or the rune trick someone else posted. Simple and effective if you can catch him at a bad time. Aldarionn
MysticalDruid 09-21-05, 07:45 PM	How about a more sly way to incriminate the tiefling, slip something illegal that would get him expelled from the school. Make it the cheapest illgeal thing, and place it on his person. Also tamper with whatever he carries arround stuff in. So at an inoppertune time it will fall out.
moto 09-21-05, 07:51 PM	Options, 1. evil: kill him yay! 2. intimidate him 3. black ball him first, spread some rumor ( true or false!) and whne he tries to use the black mail info, others will assume he's just tring to get you back for you black balling (if sucessful) 4. baelful poylymorph and keep him as a pet. 5. double black mail him, you can use MS and hide even if your not good at it and find out stuff about him. 6. grin and bear it, D&D sociaty is less likly to care then real medevil sociaty.
Ut-Napishtim 09-21-05, 07:57 PM	FYI, killing someone for talking about who you choose to sleep with...not a "leaning towards Chaotic Good" thing. More of a wierd control-freak thing. Yeah, that's pretty much my thoughts - in fact I'd say more of a leaning towards Chaotic Evil kind of thing. Where do you find these games anyway? In all the online games I've played the DM's wouldn't touch a sexual situation with a 10' pole, especially a private fantasy this wierd. If they're seriously going to use a Zone of Truth or something to tell if the two of you are lying or he is this game has all the versimilitude of a soap opera. If I were the dean of the college I'd be like: Were they both consenting adults? Then get the hell out of my office you scheming little bootlick! I'm running a prestigious academy for Wizard's here, not some cheap hentai version of a prestigious Wizard's academy where the girls of Winx Club go wild!
psionichamster 09-21-05, 08:06 PM	really, the only way to defeat extortionists is to kill them, or remove the threat of public exposure. really. the only reason he has any leverage on you is the fact that you don't want the "revelation" of your behind-closed-doors activities made public. as said before, if in a dorm situation, everyone knows everyone else's behavior, and except for a few cases, no-one cares. now, you have a couple of options of "outing" yourself. if the same-sex relationship is what the issue is about (anti-gay bias in school/nation/etc, burn at stake, etc...), you have to make it clear he is lying. grab the nearest "man" and kiss him. for better effect, actually seduce a male close to the tiefling and make it clear that "he" is the one for you. (not the tiefling, your new mark). this means you need to swallow your pride, keep your real inclination a secret, and get close to the male-oppressors. (not really in the drowish vein, but hey...its a PCU quote) if the same-sex bias is not really bad, it's just your embarassment he is counting on. blow him off, and when he spreads "rumors" of the two of you together, ignore them. in a week, they'll be gone. now, if he actually has some kind of proof of your relationship, and you can't use one of the above methods (i recommend killing him and burying his corpse in lie...but then again, i dont like blackmailers), grab your gal-pal with as many spectators present as possible, and lay one on her. that way, there is no level of embarassment and he has no power over you. (btw, drow don't have a modern radical feminist anti-male bias, but see them as beneath women. much like modern theories of male-female power dynamic make that dynamic invisible to the powerful, except in drowish society, its the females w/ the power. like spiders.) also, if the antagonist in this situation is a PC, your best bet is to talk to the player face-to-face. this is a situation where PvP is NOT in everyone's best interest. good luck namaste' the hamster
ShadowDragon8685 09-21-05, 08:20 PM	The tiefling is an NPC. He has the equavilent of photographic proof. (Video, with audio tract, too.) It's not that there's an anti-gay bias. We have what we call "FMS", or "Female Mage Syndrome", which basically states that there is no such thing as a hetrosexual female spellcaster. What worries me is twofold: One, he's an extortionist. Like a terrorist, you cannot compromise with these things, because they grow like a cancer if you do. Two, the girl that my character wa doing is.... Not the most stable. In fact, she's something of an emotional wreck; something that she hid until after the deed. It's like walking on emotional eggshells, and you know for a fact that one of those shells is in fact nitroglycerine just waiting for someone to step on it. The only potential 'threats' of his going public are that the staff will take magical measures to prevent sex - probably under the auspices of keeping focus on studies - and the potential emotional damage to the other girl. And the blackmail. My character likes being blackmailed about as much as I do. In other words, CRUSH! A non-lethal soloution is preferable, as is one that silences the tiefling permanantly. We're thinking of banishing him to another plane.
Aldarionn 09-21-05, 09:12 PM	A non-lethal soloution is preferable, as is one that silences the tiefling permanantly. We're thinking of banishing him to another plane. Then go for the Baleful Polymorph if you can somehow find a way to cast it. I'm not sure off the top of my head what level spell it is but if your school holds you until 8th level, and you are still attending, I doubt you can cast it. So getting another, higher level mage to cast it for you is the best way to go, especially if you have such a person in your family or have such a friend at the school (perhaps on the staff, or an alumni you know). Besides, it would be funny as hell to have the guy who was blackmailing you as a pet rabbit, and doubly as funny if he was concious of it but unable to do anything about it. Aldarionn
feartheinvinceblehamster 09-21-05, 09:32 PM	scroll. any spell will do in a pinch. it's a rather unrealistic academy if the teachers don't have scrolls with them. how else would they pull off more than 6 classes a day? reccomended scrolls: baleful polymorph dominate person feeblemind flesh to stone Insanity limited wish imprisonment Baleful Polymorph: slugs and salt. great for snacks. great gift too. Dominate Person: pssst...hey buddy, you don't want any ambrosia. Feeblemind: gibbering idiots that you shove in a chest and put in the basement rarely blackmail you. Flesh To Stone: ship it off to an art museum. claim you carved it. make tons. Insanity: Again, gibbering idiots don't talk. Limited Wish: To The Demonweb Pits!! Imprisonment: this is the big daddy of solutions. it makes all the other solutions bow down and chant "we're not worthy!". OHHHHH!!!!!! who lives in a small sphere of temporal animation under the earth? SPONGEBOB TIEFLING PANTS! Held in suspended animation you see! SPONGEBOB TIEFLING PANTS his idiotic nonsense be something you wish! SPONGEBOB TIEFLING PANTS!!! Then grab a shovel and hit the deck! SPONGEBOB TIEFLING PANTS SPONGEBOB TIEFLING PANTS SPOONGGEEEBOBBBBB TIEEEFFLING PANNNNTTTSSS *do du do du, DO*
Always-Late 09-21-05, 09:33 PM	Wait... What? You would rather kill someone or turn him into the bunny for the rest of his life (which is, essentially, life imprisonment in a bunny) rather than let word of this get out? And you're leaning CG? I don't exactly see how these go together. It might be justifiable, but it certainly isn't good. Go for modify memory, find something to get the drop on him, or geas him into never telling anyone.
spectralphoenix 09-21-05, 09:33 PM	I'm not sure if the thread is entirely apropriate for this forum, but I would recommend getting a cleric to cast Mark of Justice. It's probably your least evil solution.
ShadowDragon8685 09-21-05, 10:06 PM	Modify memory and all that is beyond my character's means. I don't have any friendly clerics. I'm a level 5 Wizard. I can prepare any spell in the PHB, but my own personal spellbook (I got it in the same place I got the 80 gallons of Ambrosia,) is very limited, to say the least.
feartheinvinceblehamster 09-21-05, 10:08 PM	where DID you get 80 gallons of ambrosia?
ShadowDragon8685 09-21-05, 10:17 PM	From a very ancient tankful of the stuff, apparently used in magical item creation. We found it all in a huge underground complex that, among other things, holds the prison of an elf sorceress imprisoned with the words "DO NOT TRUST THIS WOMAN" engraved next to her cell.
mythSSK 09-21-05, 10:47 PM	You have 80 gallons of a substance worth 200 gp an ounce? 10,240 ounces (80 gallons) = 2,048,000 gp. Why do you even have a problem here? You have more than enough 'liquid assets' :rimshot: to bribe anyone to do anything you want them to. Just give a local Archmage (or whoever runs the school) 500,000 gp worth of Ambrosia and ask him to make the tiefling go away. EDIT: Or you could use a much smaller sum to buy spellcasting services and have him imprisoned or one of the other delightful suggestions put forth by other posters.
Aldarionn 09-22-05, 05:33 AM	:rolleyes: :waits: Why don't you just give this Tiefling a 5 gallon drum of the stuff to go away, and then track him down later and punish him for blackmailing you, when you are better equipped to do so. Once you can cast discern location, I don't think the DM will have a problem telling you where this guy is. This would seem like the logical solution to me. Tell him you are giving him your entire supply of the stuff (and a 5 gallon drum should convince him of that if nothing else), and he will leave you alone. Aldarionn
Black Kitten 09-22-05, 05:55 AM	You could do this: Prepare a lot of those vials with explosive runes on it. Make it ALCHEMIST FIRE. Then, once you're done with that, cast Deep Slumber on him. He will then fall asleep for a while. Tie him up and bring him to a high platform about 15ft in diameter (ensure it's made of wood). Choose the height of the platform according to how large you want the damage he takes to be. Wait for him to wake up, but tell him to make very sure he shuts his eyes, since if he opens them, he will be subject to explosive runes + alchemist fire. Tell him that this is but a glimpse of what you can really do to him and next time he does anything alike, he will die horrendously. Now, the Thiefling, of course, has the option NOT to open his eyes (assuming you also have some spell at the ready to activate if he opens his eyes anyway, for example, GUST OF WIND). And try to walk free of the alchemist fire... and drop down the platform :D That'll hurt just as badly. Meanwhile you have of course tried to locate the evidence and if you haven't found it, you still have a problem. But if you're present in the invisible way, you can still follow him to it, or smite him again or something.
ShadowDragon8685 09-22-05, 10:10 AM	What wound up happening was that our crazy teleport kitty with teleport and planeshift at will grabbed him, while he was talking to someone, and teleported him to the Positive Energy Plane, one of those places where you don't over-HP and pop.
Fiery_Overlord 09-22-05, 12:47 PM	Well if he is around your level that should pretty much trap him. There are not a lot of ways to gain level on the positive energy planes (seeing as it is mostly empty) and he wouldn't have the resources to excape. Note that unless he has the evidence on his person you run the risk of someone finding it when they sort through his belongings. (and they will sort through his belongings after they figure out he disappeared, even if it is just to inventory it and put it in storage) Even if he hid the evidence there is still a chance of a third party could find it. Seeing the nature of the evidence it could see a lot of play in the male dorm...
ShadowDragon8685 09-22-05, 12:58 PM	We're also going to use the telekitty to avial ourselves of his stuff, hopefully including the evidence. :)
Gedrin 09-22-05, 03:29 PM	So, you've got no reason to believe you will be permanently harmed. You've got the means to escape. You can go anywhere you want. You have the capacity to live in wealth and luxury for the rest of your life. And you could take any number of people with you if you wanted. Instead, you're going to do something horrible to another person because they might expose your sexual activity to the public. Yepper...CE. Might as well go for Dead+Trap the Soul.
EarthForce 09-22-05, 04:49 PM	People seem to list many spells. Only problem is the school keeps Wizards until 8th level which means at most, she has access to 4th level spells. Now I'm not sure what suppliments you allow so i'm just going to make suggestion from core. Anyway, looking at 0 through 4 on the wizards spell list you don't have anything that can prevent a ressurection spell (although if nobody knows that pile of ash on the floor is him, then no problems.) Also have to worry about being caught. 1. Just charm monster, lesser geas, or Extended suggestion the guy. Make him treat you like royalty for a while(He might actually enjoy it depending on the spell.) Then convince him (while under the affects of one of the spells) to do something that could get him kicked out. Like have him attack another student or an instructor (make sure it's close to the end of the spell duration or detect magic will nail you.) Or keep echanting the guy if you honesty think you can keep beating his will save 2. If you don't really stand to lose anything just don't give him ambrosia. No risk of being kicked out unless your activity was banned. 3. Play along until you can persaude(through whatever means that suit you) a bard to cast modify memory on him. Permanent duration, no memory, no tracing it back to you(nobody will remember), no problem.
Polaris 09-22-05, 06:26 PM	My take, If the social problems aren't going to be that great, then fess up to the Dean/Headmaster (or whoever is in charge) with your paramour. I expect that this sort of thing has happened before (such things were rife at midaevel universities and boarding schools) and I can *assure* you that the last thing the faculty will want is a budding arcane extortionist. If the students are eighth level, I don't even want to *think* about what the faculty is..... Mind, you (and your paramour) will take a hit in the short run, but this is the only good way to stand up to an extortionist. -Polaris
ShadowDragon8685 09-22-05, 09:37 PM	I dunno; banishment seems to work. Still, it does feel like it kind of cheapens the whole deal. Sigh.
Always-Late 09-22-05, 10:13 PM	Really, what being stuck in one of those positive energy places is, is life imprisonment. Maybe you get a TV and stuff, but you're in life imprisonment for the rest of your life. That's just... stupid. And meanwhile, the headmaster, if he's got half a brain, (probably epic) wonders where said tiefling has gone, gets his head cleric (probably epic too) to cast a divination spell. Boom. Instant expulsion and prison.
20goingon1232 09-23-05, 12:12 AM	Really, what being stuck in one of those positive energy places is, is life imprisonment. Maybe you get a TV and stuff, but you're in life imprisonment for the rest of your life. That's just... stupid. And meanwhile, the headmaster, if he's got half a brain, (probably epic) wonders where said tiefling has gone, gets his head cleric (probably epic too) to cast a divination spell. Boom. Instant expulsion and prison. No, it isn't. The Positive Energy Plane causes you to gain HPs up the wazoo as temp HP that STACKS, and when your current HP is twice your normal maximum.... POP! One ashed Tiefling.
Kalli 09-24-05, 05:04 AM	I'm pretty sure that she said it was one of the places where you -don't- over-HP and pop (unless that was a typo). There is the problem of the tiefling's sudden disappearance. You could forge a note of withdrawal, perhaps, especially if this is a place where students drop left and right from overstudy. Of course, I just came up with a rather evil idea, if you don't mind giving up 5 vials of ambrosia: at the end of the week, teleport to the PE plane and leave the vials there, with a note stating that you've fulfilled your end of the bargain, enjoy, or something like that. Oh, and a new penalty's been instituted upon blackmailers -- imprisonment on the PE plane in hopes that some of the, well, positive energy will rub off on them for the better. Sure, it won't win any brownie points, but I rather like the idea of what his expression would be upon reading that.
ShadowDragon8685 09-24-05, 08:32 AM	That's... Twisted! I love it, hahaha! :)
robertliguori 09-24-05, 07:05 PM	Spike the ambrosia with one of the really nastily addictive drugs from the BoVD. After a few weeks, explain that you're giving him one vial a week, and that's only if he's good. If he's bad (or if he tells anyone) he gets nothing. Set up a semi-deterministic punishment/reward pattern, encouraging him to take behavior likely to get himself killed and unlikely to get your part in the deal exposed. Go to the headmaster about his drug problem. Get his ass expelled. Laugh as he becomes a broken wreck, and that even when he finds more ambrosia, it fails to satiate him.
wrecan 09-25-05, 01:53 PM	I still don't understand why nobody wonders where the tiefling went. Even if you forge a note about him withdrawing from school, doesn't he have family and friends on the outside who are going to come looking for the tiefling? Also, it's a pretty foolish extortionist who keeps the evidence amongst his personal possessions. Chances are, he gave the evidence to a trusted associate with the instructions, "If I disappear/die, give this package directly to the headmaster." And then, even if you get out of that, you've got a new enemy (one who probably won't reveal who he is until it's too late) who will try to locate the tiefling, retrieve him and plot revenge. (Assuming the headmaster doesn't expel you first.)
Vintrastorm 10-20-05, 01:00 PM	didn't you say you grabbed him while he was talking to someone? People will talk. Not very stealthy of you.