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Zankue 04-16-07, 12:09 AM	I was reading the bluff skill out of boredom and thought of something pretty cool, what if you could use a bluff check as an intimidate check, for example if I walk into the middle of a bar fight and say that I can take em all on as a bluff, if they fail and believe me shouldn't they be afraid? I'd like to hear any responses THX :) heres one more example A group of 10 bandits jump out into the camp while you're on watch they look as you get up slowly and quietly, you put a finger to your lips and "shhh" them "my party members need sleep" you say "lets go off to the field to settle this" you draw your sword silently and a large fiendish grin appears on your face, "this w-" you look around to see the last of the bandits running away into the forest
Daydreamer 04-16-07, 12:22 AM	bluff-i have connections with the city guards, and they will make your life difficult if you dont cooperate. intimidate- i will make your life pretty hard if you dont co operate. granted its a thin line ;), good insight you have here.
Ack 04-16-07, 02:50 AM	Bluff makes them think that you think you can take them. This doesn't mean that they believe you can. Intimidate makes them more likely to take you seriously. Rolling high on both at the same time is fun :D
Vaelan 04-16-07, 02:56 AM	They could just think that you're an arrogant moron. When a Bluff is part of an Intimidate check, I wouldn't allow the Bluff to substitute for the Intimidate check. I would require a successful Bluff to have any chance of the Intimidate check succeeding, possibly with a bonus such as +1 to Intimidate for every 5 points your Bluff succeeds by, if it is appropriate.
Leilond 04-16-07, 03:21 AM	other posters told interesting things yet... Bluff make people belive you're telling the truth... Let's immagine you say this phrase to an NPC "Make what I want or I'll kill you" There are two scenarios 1) You are really going to kill him if he won't collaborate 2) You aren't going to do it because you don't kill prisonier 1) You need a simple Intimidate chek. If you succeed the NPC will be intimidate and probably collaborate 2) You need a bluff check first, if you succeed the NPC will belive you're going to do it, now you can make your "intimidate check". If you fail the "bluff check" the NPC will understand that you aren't going to kill him and will now be intimidated at all We play like this and when issue like that come out my party usually use this strategies The rougue (good bluff modifier) tell "If you don't collaborate, my friend will kill you" (pointing the half-orc barbarian) The half-orc barbarian (good intimidate modifier) make a very bad smile touching his axe The rougue roll for the bluff-check (because they're all good and usually do not kill prisioner... unless they're vedy bad) and if he succeeds the barbarian roll his intimidate check
OravennasBrother 04-16-07, 11:42 AM	Don't forget that 5 ranks of bluff provides a synergy bonus for Intimidate. SO if you want to "make bluff add to intimidate" or "intimidate with a bluff" then that is probably the way to go.
Screams_of_the_Oak 04-16-07, 11:53 AM	It depends on the situation. However, with a proper DC, I don't see why you couldn't bluff a fabrication, successfully intimidating a person. "Last time someone said this to me, I threw them 40 feet. Vertically. Into a spiked ceiling." "This reminds me of that time I killed a dragon with my bare fists."
Leilond 04-16-07, 12:00 PM	If my DM let me use "bluff" to "intimidate" why have I to spend any point on intimidate at all? No. You can say "This reminds me of that time I killed a dragon with my bare fists." And succed in the "bluff cheks" but I can be not intimidate because you look that you're not going to do it again If you want someone is "intimidated" you must roll an "intimidate" check