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Kapalen 06-03-06, 04:17 PM	Alright so after an encounter we kept one guy alive to milk him for info. Now this is the first real fight of the campaign, so we were thoroughly shocked when the samurai ran up to the prisoner and cut his head off (mostly off anyway). In character there were mixed reactions, out of character he justified this by saying it was the way of the samurai(which he also said he learned about from watching The Last Samurai, so yeah right wahtever). It's working out very awesome RP wise but is there any legitimacy to his claim? I researched bushido and while I found some stuff about compassion for all people etc, I saw nothing about killing unarmed people who ahd surrendered, stabbing them in the back no less.
Serin Ghar 06-03-06, 04:42 PM	Historically, he does have a point. A prisoner loses many of his rights simply by being a prisoner and some samurai did kill them to allow the person his honor back. Its a touchy situation. Bushido demands compassion but returning honor to a man through death could be viewed as compassion.
CDW22 06-03-06, 04:48 PM	In character there were mixed reactions, out of character he justified this by saying it was the way of the samurai(which he also said he learned about from watching The Last Samurai, so yeah right wahtever). It's working out very awesome RP wise but is there any legitimacy to his claim? I researched bushido and while I found some stuff about compassion for all people etc, I saw nothing about killing unarmed people who ahd surrendered, stabbing them in the back no less. About half of Bushido is adhering to Honor, and what he did was very cowardly, and would only be done in the most extreme of situations, such as a Rival samurai or figure. On Orc #7, or even more mundane? What was the said prisoner, what threat did he pose? Samurai weren't Lawful Stupid, but they weren't like this if they were preaching Bushido.
Derren S. 06-03-06, 04:51 PM	Ignore what the bushido says unless your character knows about it. Simply let your character react normally.
Reighnhell 06-03-06, 05:14 PM	hmm...bushido isn't a teriyaki version of the Paladin's Code. Edo Era "Bushido", which is where most western samurai stereotypes are based off of, was more about enforcing the social order rather than any knightly rules of fair play. More Lawful than Good. While "Good" says executing a unarmed prisoner is a bad thing, "Law" says the the prisoners life is forfeit. And as long as the samurai was acting on the authority of his Daimyo, executing the criminal was right and proper. *there is a frequent poster on these boards whose name I cannot remember who's sig line has lots of links to some well researched web pages that dispels alot of the myth's surrounding samurai culture, hopefully he reads this and adds his(?) opinion.*
Silverthumb128 06-03-06, 05:27 PM	Ignore what the bushido says unless your character knows about it. Simply let your character react normally. Seconded. Maybe bushido is different where the PC came from? Its not like Bushido openly says "Hey, don't kill that guy" because the seven/eleven virtues don't say anything directly about killing someone who is tied to a chair.
BadCatMan 06-03-06, 08:50 PM	Ugh, I don't much like "Samurai" PCs. They're like badly played Paladins, but with none of the actual excuse of doing Good. Jerks, without the ethics. The opposite of the CN-but-really-CE-and-completely-CS guy.
BeerMan5000 06-03-06, 09:12 PM	I thought I'd weigh in on this little debate. First of all, getting too deep into bushido is a little asinine owing to the fact that the cultural of it is far more deep than Tom Cruise's little movie portrayed and more than a little alien to westerners in general. Three core rules of Bushido: 1. Obey and honor your daimyo (big leader guy who you will die for no matter what even if he just up and says, "hey bob, kill yourself for my amusement." Or, "hey bob, there's a colony of dutch settlers who are really starting to annoy me. Wipe them off the face of the earth and throw their bodies of their women and children in the dutch harbor to remind them whose in charge here." Even if you think the whole thing is in completely poor taste... so what, you do it anyway.) 2. Obey and honor your parents and ancestors (even if they do and say very bad things... including things you don't agree with or absolutely object to... you keep you mouth shut and do what you're told) 3. Don't back down from an honest fight with an enemy even if it looks like you will definitely lose. Backing down from a fight with a friend or relative is understandable though... unless they dissed your ancestors or diamyo. After that, things get a little more complicated. For instance: 1. Killing an opponent unnecessarily and gratuitously, (ie, outside of wars and outside of direct orders from the top or to avenge an insult) who is far beneath you in social and martial status was seen as somewhat of a bad thing. 2. Using a good sword to fight with or kill a peasant or very low status man was seen as cowardice and disrespectful of the sword... but using your wakizashi to do it was fine and dandy as long as you had a good reason for it (battlefield or military action withstanding). 3. Accepting an offer of a duel from a person who cannot possibly beat you, depending on the circumstances was seen as a little dirty. For instance, Miyamoto Musashi killed a 12 year old boy after his family made the offer of a duel after Musashi killed off all of the eligible men in the family tree. They made the offer thinking a) he wouldn't take them up on it and their honour would be partially restored and b) if he did show up they could kill him with the boys body guards. Japan's leading sociopath however, felt like getting the last words. 4. Drawing your sword unnecessarily. Using it to threaten people when you don't really intend to kill them if they don't do what you want them to... the acts of a coward. Samurai did alot of postuering socially, but when it came to killing people... they were pretty upfront about it. 5. Everyone who is not a samurai or a diamyo is beneath you and would be well advised to remember that. Sometimes samurai's just gotta break a few eggs to remind the hens who the roosters are. 6. Read Hagakuri and Go Rin No Sho for more little details about the ancient world of asia's greatest sociopaths... i mean, pyschotics... i mean, noble warriors. yeah, that's the ticket.
a_psh 06-03-06, 10:05 PM	I'm neither a historian nor an expert on Japanese culture, but I do recall that knowing how to kill yourself (not necessarily in a fancy ritual manner) is part of kenjutsu specifically because, historically, it really, really sucked to be captured. You also have to remember that the bushido we hear about is mostly a thing that emerged *after* all the feudal warfare as a way to justify the continued existence and priviledge of the samurai class ("Well, they're not fighting, but they're upholding this fancy code of honor here... no, no, they're not useless, we swear!"). So, well, the stuff that Tokugawa's samurai obsessed over isn't necessarily very practicable as an actual warrior code. My advise is to just make up your own simple and clear version of bushido with clearly defined ideals and rules. Looking through history books for technicalities doesn't make for a very interesting character.
burpmaster12 06-03-06, 10:47 PM	In history if a lower class person (say a tea server) bumped into a Samurai, the lower class person would instantly bow to the ground, but wouldn't beg, because in Japanese culture it is improper for a lower class person to ask for ANYTHING even mercy to his life, to ask for mercy in such a way is dishonorable and to beg cowardly, So a Samurai would be very in character to kill the lower class person. For a former Samurai, or warrior, who is a prisoner to be a coward in such a way, would DEFINITELY get a traditional Samurai mad. In "The Last Samurai" He was killing someone, because the person asked for it, because in Japanese culture it is more honorable to die a noble death then to live as a prisoner, so the samurai would be kill after deep meditation, by stabbing himself then the other samurai would cut his head off to lessen the suffering to his honorable death(note:this wasn't a act of vengeance, but more respect for him being a samurai of honor, as he is). You must remember that REAL Samurai's would pray in the morning, and in there prayer they would say "Today I shall die with honor." They didn't say I'm ready to die, they said today I will die, They prepared themselves for death EVERY day. That's why they were so amazing in battle, they were completely detached from all fear of death, and viewed death as a honorable release, and not bad at all. BTW- "The Last Samurai" was SOOOO silly, tom cruise handled the sword completely wrong twirling like a cheerleader, when real Samurai have much firmer static motions... And that scene were he fights the ninjas after 6 months of training...HA, they would kill him in like 2 slash's, no one slash... :D Tom Cruise a Samurai....YEAH RIGHT... :rolleyes:
Hochiu 06-04-06, 01:10 PM	hmm...bushido isn't a teriyaki version of the Paladin's Code. Heheh. I like that. *there is a frequent poster on these boards whose name I cannot remember who's sig line has lots of links to some well researched web pages that dispels alot of the myth's surrounding samurai culture, hopefully he reads this and adds his(?) opinion.* Would that poster be Heretic888? If so, his sig has a lot of good information on that stuff However! My prediction is that this thread will rapidly devolve into a senseless, gelatenous mass of goo just because someone brought up the subject of anything Asian related. However, on topic with the OP I'm going to say this: Bushido is a real world concept that may or may not fit well as written in the game you're playing. As previous posters said, it was generally developed to keep some semblance of order in the noble samurai caste during a time when there weren't wars. The whole concept of a samurai changes between periods in Japanese history and the code of bushido had to change with that. Think about it. You have a population of warriors that are trained from birth to excel in warfare. When you have no wars, what do you do with them? By impressing a code of conduct on those people, you won't have them marauding through the countryside tearing apart the nation. To that end, if there's active fighting in your campaign world, I don't think you need to adhere to what may or may not "traditionally" reflect the aspects of bushido. You can still call it bushido, but you certainly don't have to follow what generally is seen as a mistaken impression of the historical code. And if you or your friends WANT to follow it, please, please, please do your research and give the concept its due justice -- don't butcher it.
Brave Sir Bevier 06-04-06, 01:34 PM	If the player is willing to do a little background work, I think it would be rewarding. Something fun and easily accessible is Samurai Champloo, which is currently playing on the Cartoon Network. Keep in mind that it is a fictional show and that only one of the three main characters is a samurai. Something a bit more in depth is Bushido: The Soul of Japan by Inazo NITOBÉ. Which is available for free on the internet at the following address: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/12096/12096-h/12096-h.htm It is written by a Japanese to the western world. It is a relatively easy read and is worth at least looking over. In general, I would say that playing a samurai is quite difficult. This is partly due to the need to understand the culture at the time, not just the individual. But in any case, I wish you and player lots of fun with the game! Good luck! ~Bevier
a_psh 06-04-06, 02:08 PM	Also... my Rokugan's ideals of honor, what he did is probably "Honorable Action" but probably not "Honorable Thought". And definitely not something I'd expect from an "Honorable Soul".
Nobunaga Oda 06-04-06, 02:17 PM	First: Isn´t this tread better suited to the OA board? The Last Samurai is not a good place to have a real feeling of what your fantastic Samurai was. It´s a place to see how hollywood doesn´t know a **** there are doing :P . Now, since I believe your campaign isn´t a OA one I say: Screw real or Fantastic Bushido. Your GM should sit down and talk to this player and they both should define what Bushido is in the campaign setting. Just my 2 cents...
Kapalen 06-04-06, 02:21 PM	Seconded. Maybe bushido is different where the PC came from? Its not like Bushido openly says "Hey, don't kill that guy" because the seven/eleven virtues don't say anything directly about killing someone who is tied to a chair. Apparently that's how the DM is going to "fix" this. By saying bushido in this world is quite possibly different, despite that OoC he justified it by using, what he thought to be, a real world example.
Derren S. 06-04-06, 02:27 PM	Why does Bushido needs fixing? It is a men made code and has no influence on alignment. Even with Bushido technically allowing it to kill people without reason the Samurai will get evil very fast when he does it too often with all its implications. And saying "Bushido allows it" is no good excuse when a couple of paladins draw their Holy Avengers.
TinManFan 06-04-06, 04:11 PM	Well people been talkin about Bushido and all that, but I think there's an important question. Who are y'all to be mouthin off to the Sammy? Seriously, they were pretty high up in the social order. Not many people could call into question their behaviors and not have multiple gaping holes in the skin 2 seconds later. if you're a respected Shugenja, MAYBE. Anyone else not waving a masterwork bastard sword around? Nuh-uh. As for the actual question (Sorry :D ) I'd say he's justified but Boss Hog would prolly wanna talk to him about keeping the tax payers alive. OMG! Campaign Idea! The Samurais of Hazzard! "Y'all boys go out dere and defend my "onry!"
Hochiu 06-04-06, 05:02 PM	Why does Bushido needs fixing? It is a men made code and has no influence on alignment. Even with Bushido technically allowing it to kill people without reason the Samurai will get evil very fast when he does it too often with all its implications. And saying "Bushido allows it" is no good excuse when a couple of paladins draw their Holy Avengers. Refer to my last post. And I agree, this is better suited to the OA forum.
Kapalen 06-04-06, 05:58 PM	Well people been talkin about Bushido and all that, but I think there's an important question. Who are y'all to be mouthin off to the Sammy? Seriously, they were pretty high up in the social order. Not many people could call into question their behaviors and not have multiple gaping holes in the skin 2 seconds later. if you're a respected Shugenja, MAYBE. Anyone else not waving a masterwork bastard sword around? Nuh-uh. As for the actual question (Sorry :D ) I'd say he's justified but Boss Hog would prolly wanna talk to him about keeping the tax payers alive. OMG! Campaign Idea! The Samurais of Hazzard! "Y'all boys go out dere and defend my "onry!" Well, IC, nobody said anything but I wouldn't be surprised if my character or another ends up fighting him. Another problem is his boss hog is overseas, so he's pretty much on his own.
ssvegeta555 06-05-06, 03:15 AM	hmm...bushido isn't a teriyaki version of the Paladin's Code. That is so awsome! Considered it sigged. :)
OravennasBrother 06-05-06, 10:49 AM	Bushido literally breaks down to "Bushi" and "Do" Bushi (boo-shee) - a warrior; could be samurai or peasant/ashigaru. Perhaps the most famous peasant bushi of the unification period (sengoku Jidai) is Toyotomi Hideyoshi. Do (doe) - way of, also an art; distinguished from "Jutsu" which is commonly viewed as more military technique. So Bushido is "The Way of the Warrior" Even famous samurai/ronin did not follow the tenet of "today I die" every day - MANY ronin in the early Tokugawa (Edo) period were survivors from the losing side at Sekigahara. Miyamoto Musashi survived Sekigahara by running away. Musashi practiced what might be called "pragmatic" bushido with tenets 1 - Practice hard every day. 2 - Make every blow a killing stroke. 3 - Use any advantage to win. However the Tokugawa Shogunate decided to regulate Samurai and created a more "philosophical" bushido with tenets about compassion etc. Nothing from Japanese history is as cut and dried as this sounds. Disagreement over proper Bushido was as common as disagreements over alignment. The tenets of Philosophical bushido are sometimes contradictory in practice and different emphasis an a particular virtue will give different results. This is particularly true in the middle of a battle. Anyone who has never had the "opportunity" to survive a live battle has trouble understanding just how terrifying/confusing/disorienting it can be. As a closing note - I would not reccomend to anyone that they seek out an opportunity to "survive" a real battle. You might not survive. You might have to live with the guilt of your actions (killing someone, trying to kill someone, failing to kill someone, the list is long). Neither are likely to make your life better.
mlund 06-05-06, 02:15 PM	The Rokugan setting handles Bushido very well. You can adhere to Bushido and be as twisted and Evil as they come. In fact, Bushido as it pertains to fantasy Samurai is very much inclined to Evil on the core Alignment definitions of Good and Evil. It treats life like property. Honor and Glory are vastly more important than Life or Freedom. Look back to the old Oriental Adventurers 1st Edition AD&D suppliments some time. The worst transgression against your Honor score a Samurai could commit next to Betraying One's Daimyo was to fail and mission and be taken alive. It marks you are one too cowardly or incompetent to die for your lord's service - which is the entire point of being a Samurai. Those who are often treated in a manner befitting their dire transgression against Bushido - abused, spat upon, and executed. Of course, one of the tennants of Bushido is compassion. A compassionate Samurai would allow a fallen man the right to commit seppuku to cleanse his family's honor, rather than cutting his head off. Of course, if the prisoner is not a member of the Samurai caste, that doesn't apply. Lower-class prisoners (farmers, tradesmen, merchants, eta and the like) don't adhere to Bushido, but are also considered to be less of a person than a Samurai. It is the right of the caste to take the lives of any member of the lower class's as they see fit. Of course, this does deprive that person's feudal lord of an asset, so their may be a reckonning. Lower-class soldiers such as Ashigaru and non-Samurai Bushi have basically no rights if they fall in battle, and are commonly enslaved or executed. Non-persons like members of races not acknowledged as "people" are forfeit. They can be killed at a whim under Bushido. Those who fight through trickery and deceit (like Spies or Ninja) are likewise sub-human and can be killed without reservation. Context is the most important part of the equation here. Using the Last Samurai as a reference point is, frankly, stupid. Pick up Oriental Adventures, or maybe look into the 3rd Edition printing of the Legend of the Five Rings RPG. While it isn't d20, its non-Mechanical content is substantive, and could definitely help explore and understand the genre. - Marty Lund
Lincoln Hills 06-05-06, 02:27 PM	...we kept one guy alive to milk him for info... we were thoroughly shocked when the samurai ran up to the prisoner and cut his head off (mostly off anyway)... You pretty much have to go to legends (or movies) for your bushido guidance, in the same way that fans of knights have to go with Arthurian legend to guide their ways rather than historical knighthood. ("I'm alone with the king and his back is to me, you say?") I don't think the PC violated the code - samurai code is extremely cold-blooded about death. However, if one of his friends promised this prisoner his life, and then the samurai killed him, then the samurai has broken his code. (When you're one of a team, you're "sharing honor". You value your companion's promises as if they were your own.) But I do think the PC acted foolishly. The importance of gathering information in war is one of the principles this guy (supposedly) learned at his sensei's knee. Unless he had some special reason to kill this prisoner...?
LCD2YOU 06-05-06, 02:30 PM	Well, IC, nobody said anything but I wouldn't be surprised if my character or another ends up fighting him. Another problem is his boss hog is overseas, so he's pretty much on his own.Why? What his character did sounds very Bushido like. He saved the prisoner the humiliation of defeat. That he got it from the "Last Samurai" is bunk as that film was a travesty of Bushido. The Code of Bushido changed. If you're talking about the last version, I can't remember the Shogun's name who wrote it, then killing a peasant who was not acting according to his or her station was nothing. As others have stated, not dying when you failed was bad. It was an "evil" that tainted your soul when it went into its next re-incarnation.
Derren S. 06-05-06, 02:40 PM	Except that in the absolut alignemnt system of D&D are legally allowed to murder someone doesn't make it any less evil.
The_Unfan 06-05-06, 02:50 PM	This is pretty much why I dodge OA material.
OravennasBrother 06-05-06, 03:51 PM	Except that in the absolut alignemnt system of D&D are legally allowed to murder someone doesn't make it any less evil. I suppose you could look at some of the literature surrounding Yamada Asaemon an executioiner of Tokugawa era Japan. I'm unsure how accurate it is, but as portrayed Asaemon in a very compassionate man who is employed to execute ocndemned criminals. His motto is "Punish the Crime, not the Person" - he exectues people so that the stain of their sins in the current life won't haunt them in the next. He considers himself Evil because of the many lives he mist take, but believes that he cannot shirk the duty. He also refuses to have children because any male child of his would be forced into being an executioner and he won't inflict that fate on anyone. For a romanticized view of a Samurai (ronin) who clearly falls in the LG category while adhering to Bushido you might examine Usagi Yojimbo a comic by Stan Sakai.
TarlSS 06-05-06, 04:09 PM	Yeah.. Bushido isn't a particularly good code by any modern standard of ethics. If you expect your PCs to live in a world where they consider other sentient beings as equals and treat everyone with at least a modicum of respect, don't use a code that emphasizes of all things a -caste- system based on warfare.
Toloran 06-05-06, 04:37 PM	In traditional Bushido (ie, not what you learned in your kendo class), basically states that you can (for whatever reason) kill someone below your rank for any reason. Because (by definition) someone below your rank is subserviant to you. Although generally one would not just go around randomly killing people, it didn't take much of an affront to a samurai for them to kill you. Second point: Prisoners. According to the rules of bushido, it is more honorable to die in combat then be taken prisoner. And if you WERE captured you basically became a non-human, A mere animal. This applied even if ther prisoner in question did not follow bushido him/herself.
Tristan 06-05-06, 05:56 PM	I think your friend is missing something really important. A Samurai honor's himself and those around him. If he really watched The Last Samurai, remind him that when the samurai captured THEIR prisoner (the main character) they took care of him, watched him, and protected him. They didn't cut off his head. Im beggining to think that he might have confused his dishonorable act for a kinda simular honorable one. If a Samurai/noble CHOSE to, he could preserve his OWN honor by making the ultimate sacrifice and TAKING HIS OWN life in penance. Quite often, expessially in the tokugawa era as seen in the movie, Daimyo and other samurai would honor them for their willingness to sacrifice themselves for the honor of their name, family and lord. Since Seppuku was a very painful form of suicide they would often have one of his companions (or at least somebody in the case of a prisoner who wished to commit seppuku) ready to swiftly execute him (slice of their head) after they struck themselves with the knife, in order to give them as much of a painless death as possible. However, in this case, the prisoner did not CHOOSE to "Die to preserve his honor". The way I see it the samurai murdered a man in cold blood to rid himself of further trouble and passed it off as some ritual that his companions dont understand and the victim couldn't confirm or object to because he was dead, thus making it impossible to legally accuse the samurai of murder. If this guy is not Ronin material, he is deffinatley Lawful Evil Samurai material.
Tristan 06-05-06, 06:04 PM	I did a quick search on bushido I found this if you care for more http://www.aikido-world.com/articles/Bushido-Code%20of%20the%20Warrior-Origins%20of%20Bushido.htm I dont see much about killing your opponent, but I DO see alot about respecting life. Of course, there where many samurai who used "Bushido" and "Honor" as a tool for their selfish means. If a Lord didn't like that one of his samurai decided to retreat rather than fight to the death against a former ally or a relative you could just say "You have dishonored yourself, your family , and most importantly your lord." and then order him to commit seppuku.
Toloran 06-05-06, 07:26 PM	I did a quick search on bushido I found this if you care for more http://www.aikido-world.com/articles/Bushido-Code%20of%20the%20Warrior-Origins%20of%20Bushido.htm I dont see much about killing your opponent, but I DO see alot about respecting life. Of course, there where many samurai who used "Bushido" and "Honor" as a tool for their selfish means. If a Lord didn't like that one of his samurai decided to retreat rather than fight to the death against a former ally or a relative you could just say "You have dishonored yourself, your family , and most importantly your lord." and then order him to commit seppuku. Again, there is a difference between whats allowed in medieval japanese bushido and modern bushido (kind of like how there is a difference between the original Gimms Fairy Tales and the Disney versions). Also you have to take into mind that things can be interpreted different ways and that different cultural views can often confuse things. Yes, one of the primary beliefs of Bushido is that you must ALWAYS obey and respect your master. In addition, a warrior without honor is less then human and should be treated as such. So if you get captured by an enemy, you have not only dishonored yourself (by being captured) but you have also have failed your master by being captured. This is not only looked down upon by your allies, but by your captors as well. Hence, it is not entirely out of the question for a samurai to just kill a prisoner. Now, as far as alignment goes: One of the problem with the lawful set of alignments (L/G, L/N, and L/E) is that it is often a matter of perspective. A samurai is ordered by his master to go (along with several other samurai) kill a village that is suppling enemies. From the samurai's perspective, he is Lawful neutral. He is following his personal code and the laws of his society (following his masters orders). He doesn't particularly care if what he is doing is right or wrong (hence neutral), but he KNOWS he should follow his masters orders (Hence lawful). From the Villagers perspective, he is Lawful Evil. This comes mostly from the fact that the samurai is killing them (do you honestly believe that someone who kills you is good?). They can tell he is following orders but (because they don't follow his code) can't understand that he doesn't realize that this is (by their view) "wrong." Quoted from the SRD: Lawful Neutral, “Judge”: A lawful neutral character acts as law, tradition, or a personal code directs her. Order and organization are paramount to her. She may believe in personal order and live by a code or standard, or she may believe in order for all and favor a strong, organized government. Lawful neutral is the best alignment you can be because it means you are reliable and honorable without being a zealot. Lawful Evil, “Dominator”: A lawful evil villain methodically takes what he wants within the limits of his code of conduct without regard for whom it hurts. He cares about tradition, loyalty, and order but not about freedom, dignity, or life. He plays by the rules but without mercy or compassion. He is comfortable in a hierarchy and would like to rule, but is willing to serve. He condemns others not according to their actions but according to race, religion, homeland, or social rank. He is loath to break laws or promises. This reluctance comes partly from his nature and partly because he depends on order to protect himself from those who oppose him on moral grounds. Some lawful evil villains have particular taboos, such as not killing in cold blood (but having underlings do it) or not letting children come to harm (if it can be helped). They imagine that these compunctions put them above unprincipled villains. Some lawful evil people and creatures commit themselves to evil with a zeal like that of a crusader committed to good. Beyond being willing to hurt others for their own ends, they take pleasure in spreading evil as an end unto itself. They may also see doing evil as part of a duty to an evil deity or master. Lawful evil is sometimes called “diabolical,” because devils are the epitome of lawful evil. Lawful evil is the most dangerous alignment because it represents methodical, intentional, and frequently successful evil. (quote from the SRD under the Open Game License)
Tristan 06-06-06, 06:53 PM	main problem I have is from the little I've heard, I dont think the player has a clue what bushido is, other than "it is the way of the samurai". Probably one of those fanboys who watches to much Rouroni Kenshin (a good show, but to much fanboy love) and hasn't actually bothered to pick up a book and read about bushido and real samurai P.S. I say Kenshin was a bloody ninja dang it! :P
mlund 06-06-06, 07:19 PM	I say Kenshin was a bloody ninja dang it! :P He was a Kensai, not a Samurai. Mr. Watsuki never wrote him to follow Bushido or cared about his personal glory or honor either. He has no family or honor. Instead the revolutionaries appeal to his sense of compassion and justice to oppose the Shogunate - the system that still clung to the ideas of Feudalism and Bushido. - Marty Lund
Kapalen 06-06-06, 07:49 PM	main problem I have is from the little I've heard, I dont think the player has a clue what bushido is, other than "it is the way of the samurai". Probably one of those fanboys who watches to much Rouroni Kenshin (a good show, but to much fanboy love) and hasn't actually bothered to pick up a book and read about bushido and real samurai P.S. I say Kenshin was a bloody ninja dang it! :P No he's a Last Samurai fan(hes never seen Ruroni, what a travesty). Lots of useful info here I can bring up, thanks guys.
Zaku 06-07-06, 04:41 AM	The samurai of edo era were barbarous brutes. The player acted well. Samurai are hard to adventer with. Some samurai went as far as killing people for letting their shadows fall upon them. Samurai should not be allowed to play in good parties. They are naturally evil. But not by their bearings.