Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Nerus Vorin 12-29-03, 02:52 PM	Raziel and Kain from the Legacy of Kain series... I just want a list of things you guys think they might have.... -Nerus Vorin
Winternova 12-29-03, 03:47 PM	That'd be a hard one, and on the subject, i recall seeing a post on the fantasy thinktank about a Legacy of Kain modification to D&D. You might do well in checking there.
Xychotic 12-29-03, 04:33 PM	I came up with a pretty kewl template for what Raziel became. But I never touched Kain. I don't like posting stuff that long, I'll e-mail to people though.
fruits and vegetables 12-30-03, 12:15 AM	im thinking both a vampire template and a wraith template with a little fiendish template and some made up stuff too. this is off topic but i love those games. i've played them since the first blood omen on PS1. its the best story driven video game there is. Kain is my favorite console character. there should be a movie made of the story. every one who loves video games should play the LoK series from the beginning to end. i made stats for the whole group during second edition. i never bothered to figure out raziel's stats after kain banished him. i made stats for kain and his leutenants before raziels banishment. i also used van richten's guide to vampires and made kain a patriarch with all the trimmings. you would do good to convert some stuff from that book if you are writing up stats for any of those characters.
Nerus Vorin 12-30-03, 02:49 AM	Any more help....? -Nerus Vorin
fruits and vegetables 12-30-03, 08:16 AM	for starters kain would be something like aristocrat-1/fighter-4/assassin-1/wizard-5/eldritchknight6-9 including the vampire template and using van richten's guide he would be a patriarch with most of the added powers you can get from that (i could make a list if you want). his blood drain could be done by making ranged touch attacks. you would need to make a rule saying the ranged blood drain can only be done if the victim is at 0HP. he would have some specialized spells from the video game like blood gout, flay, and font of putrecense. he would be a chronomancer or at least have access to a lot of spells from the netbook of time. he would have artifacts like his sword the reaver and the time streaming device. the sword would be a weaker version of stormbringer out of dragon lords of melnibone, (it would still be a very powerful sword) use that sword as a guideline (i could assist you there if you want). he would have powerful armors like the blood armor (make act like vampiric regeneration), chaos armor (inflict damage to whomever attacks him). you might be able to come up with a better class association but he would definitely dabble in chronomancy. i put a level of aristocrat in because in the first game he was a non-important noble before he was assassinated. i put in a level of assassin because of his death attacks in future games if he sneaks up on someone. raziel translated into class levels i dont think would be so great. his power is in his reaver blade, and his templated powers. his class levels i could say would only be fighter5-10. he would have a full patriarch vampire template like Kain. he would be able to transition from the ethereal to the material as long as a dead body is near, the body would then shapechange to his natural form after aquiring a host body. he could transition from the material to the ethereal at will. he would have something liking to the black flame zealots ability, when he kills creatures and takes an action to devour their souls they can only be ressuracted by true ressurection, wish, or miracle. he would have a power similar to the beholders telekinetic ray. his reaver blade would have the flaming burst property, disrupt undead property, sonic property, freezing property, maybe the ghosttouch property, it would be able to cast stoneshape, it can cast greater invisibilty on the wielder. a couple modifications to raziel would be that he lost his mistform ability and can only walk through gates and like substances. his ethereal plane would not be the traditional ethereal plane, it would be some type of transitive plane or demi-plane in between. in his ethereal transitive plane objects would be still be solid and he could not walk through them. water would have no substance. oh, and raziel could swim through water and not worry about water on the material plane. thats all i can think of right now. i just know Kain would be a powerful character with a powerful template. Raziel would be a mid-level character with a very powerful modified, made up template. they would both wield a very powerful sword. perhaps this shed more light and gave you some ideas.
Nerus Vorin 12-30-03, 01:24 PM	the way you made Kain and Raziel it seems to me that you like Kain more... In the story, Raziel defeats Kain multiple times... It isnt fully because of his reaver but because he is much faster and a better combatant... For example... Kain killed Raziel in Soul Reaver because (20%) he evolved before Kain and (80%) because Raziel will be Kains destroyer (according to prophecy)... Raziels Reaver is a much more powerful sword in the sense that it has many more useful abilities... Kain would be much stronger physically, being an old vampire that makes sense... Also, Kains spells power is much greater... For example..In Defiance, Kain can grab someone telekinetically and toss them in any direction, including towards him... Raziel can only blast people with no preparation and is not always successful on the direction in which he wishes to throw the opponent.. Kain would be able to take more hits than Raziel because he is much older and a physical strength... Souls would fill up Raziels health more than Blood would filll up Kains... Raziel constantly loses hit points in the material plane, but when he goes to the demiplane to heal he cannot interact with any doors or enter buildings without open holes... Kain constantly loses health, but at a much slower pace than Raziel.... Final note...Raziel and Kain should end up equal in the end with Raziels sword being the decided factor in the battle... (raziel has a higher speed and dexterity by the way...) -Nerus Vorin
fruits and vegetables 12-31-03, 12:48 AM	i do like Kain more. i played Kain in blood omen three or four years before Raziel in soul reaver. i was trying to be fair. Kain would have more character levels but Raziel would have a more powerful template and a more powerful sword. at least until the end of defiance anyway. i didnt see what class levels Raziel would have other than fighter. most of his strength is in the sword and his template. you can make the characters up as you deem fair, i just gave you my idea of them. it does look as though you are compiling your own version, that's good. your right about Raziel having a higher dexterity and Kain having a higher strength.
Nerus Vorin 12-31-03, 05:10 PM	thanks for your input... Your right..Raziel has not a lot of class levels, but at the end of Defiance Kain is just the best so lets stick with there power in the battle at the cathedral where they were fair and try to make them starting from there... I was looking through templates and I couldnt find any and also Raziels sword with that whole spirit deal, that was pretty strong... -Nerus Vorin