Class Oposites [Archive] - Wizards Community

Class Oposites [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
fishfinger
07-15-07, 08:43 AM hi all i just need a quick question

what are the oposite classes for the following
sorcerer
dragon disple
bard
wizard
druid
cleric
barbarian
Ranger
necromancer
Roog
07-15-07, 09:22 AM dragon disciple <=> dungeon master
Kuruk
07-15-07, 09:22 AM What do you mean exactly by opposite? Are you asking what class would be a counter to the other, like a rock<paper<scissors system? Because in that case each class doesn't have a set counter. Each class is inherently stronger and weaker overall and in certain areas than another class.

If thats not what you mean, please clarify your question.
Einvaldurinn_mikli
07-15-07, 09:53 AM dragon disciple <=> dungeon master

I lol'd.
fishfinger
07-15-07, 11:31 AM what i mean is.

you have a barbarian all muscle no magic, the oposite for that class would be sorcerer right, fighter would be wizard, ranger = druid i guess etc? there examples i don't know if i'm getting them right or not if you can fill me in that would be great
Comus
07-15-07, 11:40 AM what i mean is.

you have a barbarian all muscle no magic, the oposite for that class would be sorcerer right, fighter would be wizard, ranger = druid i guess etc? there examples i don't know if i'm getting them right or not if you can fill me in that would be great
There aren't any opposites. It's like apples and oranges - an apple is different from an orange, but not the opposite. A Jaguar is different from a Pinto, but not the opposite. See what I mean?
Jagyr Ebonwood
07-15-07, 11:43 AM Sorry dude, but it doesn't work that way. No class is set as the "opposite" of any other.

It's perfectly fine for you to decide that barbarians and sorcerers are opposites, but any conclusion you come to will be your own. There's no "official" answer for your question.

Now, there are a few that come to mind. For example, the opposite of druid would probably be a blighter (a fallen druid), but that's a prestige class.
Same thing with paladins/blackguards.

Good clerics / Evil clerics might also work.
Jagyr Ebonwood
07-15-07, 11:44 AM A Jaguar is different from a Pinto, but not the opposite. See what I mean?

Depends...bean or horse?
Comus
07-15-07, 11:49 AM Depends...bean or horse?
Ford.
Jagyr Ebonwood
07-15-07, 11:58 AM Oh, wow...I didn't even realize until you said Ford, that a Jaguar and a Pinto are both cars. I assumed you meant animals...

Now I feel all unmanly :weep:
Count Nerindil Van Seraph
07-15-07, 12:04 PM Oh, wow...I didn't even realize until you said Ford, that a Jaguar and a Pinto are both cars. I assumed you meant animals...

Now I feel all unmanly

Well, in your defense, large cats and horses are pretty different. And large cats and beans are really different.;)

Yeah, there is no opposite to any given class. They are just to varied.

Out of curiosity, why do you want to know?
Kamin_Majere
07-15-07, 12:22 PM what are the oposite classes for the following

sorcerer = Crusader
dragon disple = Warmage
bard = Commaner
wizard = Shugen
druid = Class Variant Evoker
cleric = Artificer
barbarian = Marshal
Ranger = Factotum
necromancer (not a base class but i'll bite) = Hippie

Now of course everything i just wrote is complete and utter bull ****, as there isnt an opposite for classes. They fill Niches and aren't something like a M:tG color wheel where every class has ally and enemy classes.

Oh, wow...I didn't even realize until you said Ford, that a Jaguar and a Pinto are both cars. I assumed you meant animals...

Now I feel all unmanly :weep:
Its ok we all have those moments.
was_fired
07-15-07, 03:09 PM Well if you mean what beats each of these then I suppose:

sorcerer: Wizard
dragon disple: No clue
bard: Any other spellcaster
wizard: Artificer
druid: Omnificer
cleric: Cleric
barbarian: bards
Ranger: druids
necromancer: clerics

Of course given the nature of some D&D classes being stronger than other in general cleric, druid, or wizard is a valid answer for most of these questions. As most people pointed out though there is no thematic opposite to most any of the classes and when they do show up they tend to emerge from the class itself or a PrC that originates from the class.
Von_Harbringer
07-15-07, 03:31 PM hi all i just need a quick question

what are the opposite classes for the following
sorcerer
dragon disciple
bard
wizard
druid
cleric
barbarian
Ranger
necromancer

sorcerer = Fighter/Occult Slayer (with mage slayer feats)
dragon disciple = Dragon Slayers (see them as abominations)
bard = cleric (silence spell)
wizard = Barbarian
druid = Blighter (anti-druid PrC)
cleric = Depends on God; Paladin, Blackguard, Wizard, but most likely Cleric
barbarian = Wizard
Ranger = Rogue
necromancer = Radiant Servant (PrC of Sun Cleric)
Alric
07-16-07, 02:03 AM He must be doing a game in another plane that is like bizarro world. So he needs the opposite classes of everyone so he can make their evil opposite personalities.
Count Nerindil Van Seraph
07-16-07, 01:08 PM He must be doing a game in another plane that is like bizarro world. So he needs the opposite classes of everyone so he can make their evil opposite personalities.

Oh! Well in that case:

sorcerer=sorcerer with goatee
dragon disciple= dragon disciple with goatee
bard= bard with goatee
wizard=wizard with goatee
druid=druid with goatee
cleric=cleric with goatee
barbarian= barbarian with goatee
Ranger=ranger with goatee
necromancer=necromancer without goatee

I wonder why he didn't say so in the first place?
Jagyr Ebonwood
07-16-07, 01:14 PM Oh! Well in that case:

sorcerer=sorcerer with goatee
dragon disciple= dragon disciple with goatee
bard= bard with goatee
wizard=wizard with goatee
druid=druid with goatee
cleric=cleric with goatee
barbarian= barbarian with goatee
Ranger=ranger with goatee
necromancer=necromancer without goatee

I wonder why he didn't say so in the first place?

:rofl:
darkneolink
07-17-07, 12:12 AM Bard = a multiclass fighter/rogue/sorcerer who specializes in enchantments which, one eventually come to realize, is the same combination of abilities as your bardic counterpart, just more complicated
Radiun
07-17-07, 01:11 AM Bard = a multiclass fighter/rogue/sorcerer who specializes in enchantments which, one eventually come to realize, is the same combination of abilities as your bardic counterpart, just more complicated

Minus the Bardic Music and Knowledge ;)

Mmmm, Succubus Sidekick...
wrecan
07-17-07, 09:59 AM The opposite of every class is the Commoner. :)

What's the opposite of someone who can cast spells? Someone who can't.
What's the opposite of someone proficient in all weapons. Someone proficient in one.
What's the opposite of someone with a lot of skill ranks? Someone with almost none.
zelf_gale
07-17-07, 03:56 PM Flipped magic/non-magic and law/chaos tendencies

sorcerer = fighter
wizard = barbarian
barbarian = wizard

Flipped by view of nature

druid = blighter

Flipped by view of undead

necromancer = Radiant Servant of Pelor

Flipped by view of deities

cleric = Ur-priest

Flipped randomly

dragon disciple = illusionist
bard = commoner
Radiun
07-17-07, 04:09 PM Monk = Fighter
...
What?
One fights Unarmed, the other uses weapons...hm, have their been unarmed Fighter builds worth mentioning considering the damage doesn't level?
BattleofEvermore
07-17-07, 04:22 PM this is the first thing I thought of when i saw the title

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0043.html
dknight100
07-17-07, 05:30 PM Oh! Well in that case:

sorcerer=sorcerer with goatee
dragon disciple= dragon disciple with goatee
bard= bard with goatee
wizard=wizard with goatee
druid=druid with goatee
cleric=cleric with goatee
barbarian= barbarian with goatee
Ranger=ranger with goatee
necromancer=necromancer without goatee

I wonder why he didn't say so in the first place?

roflcopters, perfect
Sphere
07-17-07, 06:24 PM Monk = Fighter
...
What?
One fights Unarmed, the other uses weapons...hm, have their been unarmed Fighter builds worth mentioning considering the damage doesn't level?

Yes, thanks to superior unarmed strike anyone can have scaling unarmed damage now.
Fireclave
07-17-07, 06:36 PM sorcerer=sorcerer with goatee
dragon disciple= dragon disciple with goatee
bard= bard with goatee
wizard=wizard with goatee
druid=druid with goatee
cleric=cleric with goatee
barbarian= barbarian with goatee
Ranger=ranger with goatee
necromancer=necromancer without goatee
I smell win here...
Khadmus
07-17-07, 07:05 PM dragon disciple <=> dungeon master

Dungeonscape page 108. Now I can have stats for the DM! [And if it has stats, the PCs can kill it...]
Jungingen
07-18-07, 01:48 AM Oh! Well in that case:

sorcerer=sorcerer with goatee
dragon disciple= dragon disciple with goatee
bard= bard with goatee
wizard=wizard with goatee
druid=druid with goatee
cleric=cleric with goatee
barbarian= barbarian with goatee
Ranger=ranger with goatee
necromancer=necromancer without goatee

I wonder why he didn't say so in the first place?

I will save this for use in my next campaign.

This will save hours of labor building and fleshing out NPCs.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
fishfinger 07-15-07, 08:43 AM	hi all i just need a quick question what are the oposite classes for the following sorcerer dragon disple bard wizard druid cleric barbarian Ranger necromancer
Roog 07-15-07, 09:22 AM	dragon disciple <=> dungeon master
Kuruk 07-15-07, 09:22 AM	What do you mean exactly by opposite? Are you asking what class would be a counter to the other, like a rock<paper<scissors system? Because in that case each class doesn't have a set counter. Each class is inherently stronger and weaker overall and in certain areas than another class. If thats not what you mean, please clarify your question.
Einvaldurinn_mikli 07-15-07, 09:53 AM	dragon disciple <=> dungeon master I lol'd.
fishfinger 07-15-07, 11:31 AM	what i mean is. you have a barbarian all muscle no magic, the oposite for that class would be sorcerer right, fighter would be wizard, ranger = druid i guess etc? there examples i don't know if i'm getting them right or not if you can fill me in that would be great
Comus 07-15-07, 11:40 AM	what i mean is. you have a barbarian all muscle no magic, the oposite for that class would be sorcerer right, fighter would be wizard, ranger = druid i guess etc? there examples i don't know if i'm getting them right or not if you can fill me in that would be great There aren't any opposites. It's like apples and oranges - an apple is different from an orange, but not the opposite. A Jaguar is different from a Pinto, but not the opposite. See what I mean?
Jagyr Ebonwood 07-15-07, 11:43 AM	Sorry dude, but it doesn't work that way. No class is set as the "opposite" of any other. It's perfectly fine for you to decide that barbarians and sorcerers are opposites, but any conclusion you come to will be your own. There's no "official" answer for your question. Now, there are a few that come to mind. For example, the opposite of druid would probably be a blighter (a fallen druid), but that's a prestige class. Same thing with paladins/blackguards. Good clerics / Evil clerics might also work.
Jagyr Ebonwood 07-15-07, 11:44 AM	A Jaguar is different from a Pinto, but not the opposite. See what I mean? Depends...bean or horse?
Comus 07-15-07, 11:49 AM	Depends...bean or horse? Ford.
Jagyr Ebonwood 07-15-07, 11:58 AM	Oh, wow...I didn't even realize until you said Ford, that a Jaguar and a Pinto are both cars. I assumed you meant animals... Now I feel all unmanly :weep:
Count Nerindil Van Seraph 07-15-07, 12:04 PM	Oh, wow...I didn't even realize until you said Ford, that a Jaguar and a Pinto are both cars. I assumed you meant animals... Now I feel all unmanly Well, in your defense, large cats and horses are pretty different. And large cats and beans are really different.;) Yeah, there is no opposite to any given class. They are just to varied. Out of curiosity, why do you want to know?
Kamin_Majere 07-15-07, 12:22 PM	what are the oposite classes for the following sorcerer = Crusader dragon disple = Warmage bard = Commaner wizard = Shugen druid = Class Variant Evoker cleric = Artificer barbarian = Marshal Ranger = Factotum necromancer (not a base class but i'll bite) = Hippie Now of course everything i just wrote is complete and utter bull ****, as there isnt an opposite for classes. They fill Niches and aren't something like a M:tG color wheel where every class has ally and enemy classes. Oh, wow...I didn't even realize until you said Ford, that a Jaguar and a Pinto are both cars. I assumed you meant animals... Now I feel all unmanly :weep: Its ok we all have those moments.
was_fired 07-15-07, 03:09 PM	Well if you mean what beats each of these then I suppose: sorcerer: Wizard dragon disple: No clue bard: Any other spellcaster wizard: Artificer druid: Omnificer cleric: Cleric barbarian: bards Ranger: druids necromancer: clerics Of course given the nature of some D&D classes being stronger than other in general cleric, druid, or wizard is a valid answer for most of these questions. As most people pointed out though there is no thematic opposite to most any of the classes and when they do show up they tend to emerge from the class itself or a PrC that originates from the class.
Von_Harbringer 07-15-07, 03:31 PM	hi all i just need a quick question what are the opposite classes for the following sorcerer dragon disciple bard wizard druid cleric barbarian Ranger necromancer sorcerer = Fighter/Occult Slayer (with mage slayer feats) dragon disciple = Dragon Slayers (see them as abominations) bard = cleric (silence spell) wizard = Barbarian druid = Blighter (anti-druid PrC) cleric = Depends on God; Paladin, Blackguard, Wizard, but most likely Cleric barbarian = Wizard Ranger = Rogue necromancer = Radiant Servant (PrC of Sun Cleric)
Alric 07-16-07, 02:03 AM	He must be doing a game in another plane that is like bizarro world. So he needs the opposite classes of everyone so he can make their evil opposite personalities.
Count Nerindil Van Seraph 07-16-07, 01:08 PM	He must be doing a game in another plane that is like bizarro world. So he needs the opposite classes of everyone so he can make their evil opposite personalities. Oh! Well in that case: sorcerer=sorcerer with goatee dragon disciple= dragon disciple with goatee bard= bard with goatee wizard=wizard with goatee druid=druid with goatee cleric=cleric with goatee barbarian= barbarian with goatee Ranger=ranger with goatee necromancer=necromancer without goatee I wonder why he didn't say so in the first place?
Jagyr Ebonwood 07-16-07, 01:14 PM	Oh! Well in that case: sorcerer=sorcerer with goatee dragon disciple= dragon disciple with goatee bard= bard with goatee wizard=wizard with goatee druid=druid with goatee cleric=cleric with goatee barbarian= barbarian with goatee Ranger=ranger with goatee necromancer=necromancer without goatee I wonder why he didn't say so in the first place? :rofl:
darkneolink 07-17-07, 12:12 AM	Bard = a multiclass fighter/rogue/sorcerer who specializes in enchantments which, one eventually come to realize, is the same combination of abilities as your bardic counterpart, just more complicated
Radiun 07-17-07, 01:11 AM	Bard = a multiclass fighter/rogue/sorcerer who specializes in enchantments which, one eventually come to realize, is the same combination of abilities as your bardic counterpart, just more complicated Minus the Bardic Music and Knowledge ;) Mmmm, Succubus Sidekick...
wrecan 07-17-07, 09:59 AM	The opposite of every class is the Commoner. :) What's the opposite of someone who can cast spells? Someone who can't. What's the opposite of someone proficient in all weapons. Someone proficient in one. What's the opposite of someone with a lot of skill ranks? Someone with almost none.
zelf_gale 07-17-07, 03:56 PM	Flipped magic/non-magic and law/chaos tendencies sorcerer = fighter wizard = barbarian barbarian = wizard Flipped by view of nature druid = blighter Flipped by view of undead necromancer = Radiant Servant of Pelor Flipped by view of deities cleric = Ur-priest Flipped randomly dragon disciple = illusionist bard = commoner
Radiun 07-17-07, 04:09 PM	Monk = Fighter ... What? One fights Unarmed, the other uses weapons...hm, have their been unarmed Fighter builds worth mentioning considering the damage doesn't level?
BattleofEvermore 07-17-07, 04:22 PM	this is the first thing I thought of when i saw the title http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0043.html
dknight100 07-17-07, 05:30 PM	Oh! Well in that case: sorcerer=sorcerer with goatee dragon disciple= dragon disciple with goatee bard= bard with goatee wizard=wizard with goatee druid=druid with goatee cleric=cleric with goatee barbarian= barbarian with goatee Ranger=ranger with goatee necromancer=necromancer without goatee I wonder why he didn't say so in the first place? roflcopters, perfect
Sphere 07-17-07, 06:24 PM	Monk = Fighter ... What? One fights Unarmed, the other uses weapons...hm, have their been unarmed Fighter builds worth mentioning considering the damage doesn't level? Yes, thanks to superior unarmed strike anyone can have scaling unarmed damage now.
Fireclave 07-17-07, 06:36 PM	sorcerer=sorcerer with goatee dragon disciple= dragon disciple with goatee bard= bard with goatee wizard=wizard with goatee druid=druid with goatee cleric=cleric with goatee barbarian= barbarian with goatee Ranger=ranger with goatee necromancer=necromancer without goatee I smell win here...
Khadmus 07-17-07, 07:05 PM	dragon disciple <=> dungeon master Dungeonscape page 108. Now I can have stats for the DM! [And if it has stats, the PCs can kill it...]
Jungingen 07-18-07, 01:48 AM	Oh! Well in that case: sorcerer=sorcerer with goatee dragon disciple= dragon disciple with goatee bard= bard with goatee wizard=wizard with goatee druid=druid with goatee cleric=cleric with goatee barbarian= barbarian with goatee Ranger=ranger with goatee necromancer=necromancer without goatee I wonder why he didn't say so in the first place? I will save this for use in my next campaign. This will save hours of labor building and fleshing out NPCs.