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One_Winged_Angel 06-26-07, 02:32 PM	Hi all. So, oddball question. There is this guy I play with. Normally, he's ok. Normally, as in, out of game. See, he's got this attitude that when he's in game, he needs to top everyone. It doesn't help that he seems to intentionally pick 'problem characters' that oppose party alignment on at least one scale (please, God, let it be only one) and enjoys flaunting his power and becoming party leader with the normal excuse "why would your character do that when mine can kick his sorry *****?" He's also an incessant rule lawyer. Not the normal kind. He's actually right about 1 time out of 10. My current issue is that he complains that my playing a vow of peace, vow of poverty monk is too broken when he constantly plays characters that, simply put, replace a party. Warlock that allows no SR anyone? My Vow of peace, Vow of Pov monk is, as he puts it, screwing with his style since I make it hard to...well, kill things before I do a diplomacy check. Admittedly, the vows are harsh, but I've actually gone over solutions with my DM of how to take me out in a legit manner should the need arise (plants, anyone?). Add to the fact that this is possibly the first time I've had fun in a while since I've been dying to play a LG character for a long time, it's hard for me to just sit there and take "play something less powerful" from him, especially when I'm having fun playing the character. Why, you ask, is this not in the DM section? Simply put, his characters die on accident when I'm the DM. Literally. It's like some freak of nature type thing. Crit failing a fort save DC 13 as a level 10 knight is not normally my fault. Nor is deciding to fling oneself down a several hundred foot chasm guarded by drow at the top...ok, that wasn't an accident. That's just proof of part of the problem. So, for me as a player, any ideas?
Ack 06-26-07, 02:38 PM	Talk to the GM about him.
CCS 06-26-07, 02:46 PM	Ignore him. Let him yap on and on about he doesn't like what kind of character you've chosen to play. If you really feel the need to respond though....Wait for him to pause, then ask him why HE doesn't play some other type of character. Afterall, his wanting to kill everything prior to your diplomacy checks? That's interfering with your style of play. If he continues? Tell him to shutup & *****off.
Hugin 06-26-07, 03:02 PM	Talk to the GM about him. Good advise. The DM should set the tone for the campaign before it starts to make sure everybody is on the same page. Before character creation I'll often tell everyone, "This is a game of co-operation - do not make a character that will not co-operate with others. This is a game of adventure - do not make a character that is not motivated to adventure. Etc., (continue with whatever your campaign will be like). Failing to follow these guidelines will not risk you having a character die; you will risk having a character not come to life." Slight rant, sorry. This is one of the reasons there are DMs in the game. Without hands on the reigns, the horse will go in whatever direction it pleases. With D&D it is more like several horses pulling a stage and without the DM the horses may go in all directions leaving the stage ruined.
Forfeit 06-26-07, 04:28 PM	He has a small wang. Anyway, these kinds of players are quite common. Competitive freaks that usually try to get all the atention, XP, itens and money. Its best to get rid of them. Sometimes you get players that decide they dont want to stay with the party, and go out to play their own adventures. That means you have to run two campaigns - at least until you ditch the guy. But its a problem when he is your friend, or a friend of one of the other guys.
On_the_wings_of_TPK 06-27-07, 02:39 AM	He has a small wang. I tried, but i really can't top that. He wins.
danielinthewolvesden 06-28-07, 02:48 AM	You could try sitting down with him and talking this out like adults.
Roog 06-28-07, 03:16 AM	You could try sitting down with him and talking this out like adults. Seconded. It would also be helpful to have little conversations with the GM and other players to find out how they feel about him.
dknight100 06-28-07, 06:46 AM	You could try sitting down with him and talking this out like adults. they just need to sticky this at the top of the What's a Player to Do? and What's a DM to Do? boards, seriously
Dunsel 06-28-07, 10:56 AM	Unfortunately, this type of player is all too common. They can be difficult to deal with. I was lucky :rolleyes: as one was present in my first group when started DMing. He would create characters who were secretive and required special DM attention. He needed the best magic items or he would badger the pc who had a better one than him. If that pc died, regardless of the circumstances, he would jump on top of the body and claim that magic item for himself. He insisted on easy solo adventures. Of course, since they were easy, the rewards had to be excellent! I finally got tired on him and told him to stop his nonsense or he would have to leave. This guy was my first DM but enough is enough. Speak to the player and explain to him your concerns. Make a list of paper so you don't forget any and stay on topic. If he ignores you or does not treat the conversation with class, tell him he is suspended from your game for the next session. He may not take this well but he needs to understand, he is the only one having fun when his character is present. Work with him to change his character to better suit your campaign.
kelvinaw273 06-28-07, 11:33 AM	Unfortunately, this type of player is all too common. They can be difficult to deal with. I was lucky :rolleyes: as one was present in my first group when started DMing. He would create characters who were secretive and required special DM attention. He needed the best magic items or he would badger the pc who had a better one than him. If that pc died, regardless of the circumstances, he would jump on top of the body and claim that magic item for himself. He insisted on easy solo adventures. Of course, since they were easy, the rewards had to be excellent! I finally got tired on him and told him to stop his nonsense or he would have to leave. This guy was my first DM but enough is enough. Speak to the player and explain to him your concerns. Make a list of paper so you don't forget any and stay on topic. If he ignores you or does not treat the conversation with class, tell him he is suspended from your game for the next session. He may not take this well but he needs to understand, he is the only one having fun when his character is present. Work with him to change his character to better suit your campaign. QFT