DEX damage in a weapon. [Archive] - Wizards Community

DEX damage in a weapon. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
mists_cloud
06-09-07, 11:17 PM Hi all again, I'm looking for a weapon that will allow me to add DEX to the damage instead of STR, because, the Rogue will need high DEX for AC and for ranged weapons, so any help will do.
Gonf
06-10-07, 01:56 AM Light or hand crossbow.

Check the books PHB2 and Drow of the Underdark.
You can find Crossbow sniper (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20060406a) in the PHB 2 or online. The feat called 'crossbow sniper' is really good. Half of your dex to damage and other goodies. (increased SA range)

Also 'Hand-Crossbow Focus' from Drow of the Underdark is a good feat if you can get it. I can't go into detail as I don't know if it would break the CoC.

Anyhow. With either both of these feats (for a hand crossbow) you could deal some nice damage relying purely on Dex and sneak attack.

Or you could go light crossbow, also a fun weapon, much better for distant ranged attacks.

Good luck.
Majick
06-10-07, 02:18 AM Holy Pelor i don't know why no one has mentioned THE feat for dex based characters!

Take 1 level of Sword Sage from the Tome of Battle (obviously you can only do this is you have favoured class (any) or are planning on using your races favoured class, otherwise the XP penalties will kick in and kick your ass later)

Take AT LEAST ONE Shadow Hand Stance from the Shadow Hand martial school, and you are then allowed to take:

SHADOW BLADE

Dex bonus instead of Str to damage for the Shadow Hand discipline weapons

the most prominent being dagger, shortsword and (w00t!) spiked chain; which of course is also two handed, finesse-able and has reach! b^_^d
draco1119
06-10-07, 05:11 AM Dex bonus instead of Str to damage for the Shadow Hand discipline weapons

the most prominent being dagger, shortsword and (w00t!) spiked chain; which of course is also two handed, finesse-able and has reach! b^_^d
Sounds pretty weak. :P

Step 1: Play an Elf or half-elf.
Step 2: Take 2 levels in Fighter.
Step 3: Take 5 levels in Rogue. (Or do 4 fihgter and 3 rogue)
Step 4: Enter the Champion of Corellon Lerethian PrC from Races of the Wild...
Step 5: ... which lets you add your Dex bonus AND your Str bonus when wielding a Long Sword, Short Sword, Rapier, Elven Thinblade, Elven Fullblade, or Elven Courtblade.
DreamerInsane
06-10-07, 05:54 AM Shadow Blade allows Dex AND Str, too. Text trumps table, no?
Text doesn't say a thing about losing Str to damage, table does.
Bob Loblaw
06-10-07, 09:44 AM There's also the Fierce ability in the Arms and Equipment Guide. It allows you to sacrifice your Dex bonus to AC to add to damage.
ravenshrike
06-10-07, 08:41 PM SHADOW BLADE

Dex bonus instead of Str to damage for the Shadow Hand discipline weapons

the most prominent being dagger, shortsword and (w00t!) spiked chain; which of course is also two handed, finesse-able and has reach! b^_^d

Actually, text states adds to strength.
Tytalus
06-12-07, 12:33 AM Nothing to see here.
mists_cloud
06-12-07, 07:38 PM I plan to use ranged weapons, because with the crossbow sniper I can sneak attack 60 ft, but it doesn't say if you can use you DEX bonus on ranged weapons, I mean, wouldn't it work on a light crossbow?
Tytalus
06-13-07, 12:37 AM I plan to use ranged weapons, because with the crossbow sniper I can sneak attack 60 ft, but it doesn't say if you can use you DEX bonus on ranged weapons, I mean, wouldn't it work on a light crossbow?

Crossbow sniper works with any crossbow (+1/2 DEX mod to damage).

CoCL only works with melee weapons, and the Shadow Hand Stance is also restricted to melee.
pmurray@bigpond.com
06-13-07, 01:45 AM SHADOW BLADE

Is this a stance or a strike? If it's a strike, then you only get to use it every other round, at best. If it's a stance, then ... omg. I may switch from twin kukris to a spiked chain. I'll have to look at the rules for multiclassing martial classes, (especially maneuver recovery with Adaptive Style) because Warblades do not have access to shadow hand. Considering I already have 8 ranks of warblade, if I go swordsage next level I will have the swordsage qty of maneuvers with access to level 5 maneuvers from the get-go. OMG. I could wind up with both Int (Battle Cunning) and dex (shadow blade) to damage - that's +11, with reach, per attack.
KurenaiYami
06-13-07, 03:16 AM Is this a stance or a strike? If it's a strike, then you only get to use it every other round, at best. If it's a stance, then ... omg. I may switch from twin kukris to a spiked chain. I'll have to look at the rules for multiclassing martial classes, (especially maneuver recovery with Adaptive Style) because Warblades do not have access to shadow hand. Considering I already have 8 ranks of warblade, if I go swordsage next level I will have the swordsage qty of maneuvers with access to level 5 maneuvers from the get-go. OMG. I could wind up with both Int (Battle Cunning) and dex (shadow blade) to damage - that's +11, with reach, per attack.

It is a feat.
Chimaera2000
06-13-07, 04:45 PM Yup, Shadow Blade is a a feat. So long as you stay in a Shadow Hand stance, you get the bonus damage. Of course, there's nothing saying that you can't use Shadow Blade and Champion of Corellon Larethian at the same time in melee.... short swords are Shadow Hand weapons, no?

But yes, for what the OP is looking for, Crossbow Sniper is the only option that I know of for adding Dex to range attack damage.
Tytalus
06-13-07, 08:13 PM Yup, Shadow Blade is a a feat. So long as you stay in a Shadow Hand stance, you get the bonus damage. Of course, there's nothing saying that you can't use Shadow Blade and Champion of Corellon Larethian at the same time in melee.... short swords are Shadow Hand weapons, no?

They are Shadow Hand weapons, but they are not on the list of weapons CoCL applies to. draco1119 was wrong in listing it in his post.
ravenshrike
06-15-07, 03:05 AM Is this a stance or a strike? If it's a strike, then you only get to use it every other round, at best. If it's a stance, then ... omg. I may switch from twin kukris to a spiked chain. I'll have to look at the rules for multiclassing martial classes, (especially maneuver recovery with Adaptive Style) because Warblades do not have access to shadow hand. Considering I already have 8 ranks of warblade, if I go swordsage next level I will have the swordsage qty of maneuvers with access to level 5 maneuvers from the get-go. OMG. I could wind up with both Int (Battle Cunning) and dex (shadow blade) to damage - that's +11, with reach, per attack.
Go twin daggers, as you can still gain a bunch of bonuses from tiger claw still.
draco1119
06-15-07, 05:02 AM They are Shadow Hand weapons, but they are not on the list of weapons CoCL applies to. draco1119 was wrong in listing it in his post.
Ah... crap. Sorry about that.

Tytalus is right. It only applies to Long Swords, Rapiers, and the Elven Blades (Thin, Full, and Court).
Lionhearted
06-15-07, 08:08 AM Isn't it the feat Deadeye shot somewhere that allows dex to damage on ranged weapons
zeratulcraft
06-15-07, 08:18 AM Within 30ft, yes.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
mists_cloud 06-09-07, 11:17 PM	Hi all again, I'm looking for a weapon that will allow me to add DEX to the damage instead of STR, because, the Rogue will need high DEX for AC and for ranged weapons, so any help will do.
Gonf 06-10-07, 01:56 AM	Light or hand crossbow. Check the books PHB2 and Drow of the Underdark. You can find Crossbow sniper (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20060406a) in the PHB 2 or online. The feat called 'crossbow sniper' is really good. Half of your dex to damage and other goodies. (increased SA range) Also 'Hand-Crossbow Focus' from Drow of the Underdark is a good feat if you can get it. I can't go into detail as I don't know if it would break the CoC. Anyhow. With either both of these feats (for a hand crossbow) you could deal some nice damage relying purely on Dex and sneak attack. Or you could go light crossbow, also a fun weapon, much better for distant ranged attacks. Good luck.
Majick 06-10-07, 02:18 AM	Holy Pelor i don't know why no one has mentioned THE feat for dex based characters! Take 1 level of Sword Sage from the Tome of Battle (obviously you can only do this is you have favoured class (any) or are planning on using your races favoured class, otherwise the XP penalties will kick in and kick your ass later) Take AT LEAST ONE Shadow Hand Stance from the Shadow Hand martial school, and you are then allowed to take: SHADOW BLADE Dex bonus instead of Str to damage for the Shadow Hand discipline weapons the most prominent being dagger, shortsword and (w00t!) spiked chain; which of course is also two handed, finesse-able and has reach! b^_^d
draco1119 06-10-07, 05:11 AM	Dex bonus instead of Str to damage for the Shadow Hand discipline weapons the most prominent being dagger, shortsword and (w00t!) spiked chain; which of course is also two handed, finesse-able and has reach! b^_^d Sounds pretty weak. :P Step 1: Play an Elf or half-elf. Step 2: Take 2 levels in Fighter. Step 3: Take 5 levels in Rogue. (Or do 4 fihgter and 3 rogue) Step 4: Enter the Champion of Corellon Lerethian PrC from Races of the Wild... Step 5: ... which lets you add your Dex bonus AND your Str bonus when wielding a Long Sword, Short Sword, Rapier, Elven Thinblade, Elven Fullblade, or Elven Courtblade.
DreamerInsane 06-10-07, 05:54 AM	Shadow Blade allows Dex AND Str, too. Text trumps table, no? Text doesn't say a thing about losing Str to damage, table does.
Bob Loblaw 06-10-07, 09:44 AM	There's also the Fierce ability in the Arms and Equipment Guide. It allows you to sacrifice your Dex bonus to AC to add to damage.
ravenshrike 06-10-07, 08:41 PM	SHADOW BLADE Dex bonus instead of Str to damage for the Shadow Hand discipline weapons the most prominent being dagger, shortsword and (w00t!) spiked chain; which of course is also two handed, finesse-able and has reach! b^_^d Actually, text states adds to strength.
Tytalus 06-12-07, 12:33 AM	Nothing to see here.
mists_cloud 06-12-07, 07:38 PM	I plan to use ranged weapons, because with the crossbow sniper I can sneak attack 60 ft, but it doesn't say if you can use you DEX bonus on ranged weapons, I mean, wouldn't it work on a light crossbow?
Tytalus 06-13-07, 12:37 AM	I plan to use ranged weapons, because with the crossbow sniper I can sneak attack 60 ft, but it doesn't say if you can use you DEX bonus on ranged weapons, I mean, wouldn't it work on a light crossbow? Crossbow sniper works with any crossbow (+1/2 DEX mod to damage). CoCL only works with melee weapons, and the Shadow Hand Stance is also restricted to melee.
pmurray@bigpond.com 06-13-07, 01:45 AM	SHADOW BLADE Is this a stance or a strike? If it's a strike, then you only get to use it every other round, at best. If it's a stance, then ... omg. I may switch from twin kukris to a spiked chain. I'll have to look at the rules for multiclassing martial classes, (especially maneuver recovery with Adaptive Style) because Warblades do not have access to shadow hand. Considering I already have 8 ranks of warblade, if I go swordsage next level I will have the swordsage qty of maneuvers with access to level 5 maneuvers from the get-go. OMG. I could wind up with both Int (Battle Cunning) and dex (shadow blade) to damage - that's +11, with reach, per attack.
KurenaiYami 06-13-07, 03:16 AM	Is this a stance or a strike? If it's a strike, then you only get to use it every other round, at best. If it's a stance, then ... omg. I may switch from twin kukris to a spiked chain. I'll have to look at the rules for multiclassing martial classes, (especially maneuver recovery with Adaptive Style) because Warblades do not have access to shadow hand. Considering I already have 8 ranks of warblade, if I go swordsage next level I will have the swordsage qty of maneuvers with access to level 5 maneuvers from the get-go. OMG. I could wind up with both Int (Battle Cunning) and dex (shadow blade) to damage - that's +11, with reach, per attack. It is a feat.
Chimaera2000 06-13-07, 04:45 PM	Yup, Shadow Blade is a a feat. So long as you stay in a Shadow Hand stance, you get the bonus damage. Of course, there's nothing saying that you can't use Shadow Blade and Champion of Corellon Larethian at the same time in melee.... short swords are Shadow Hand weapons, no? But yes, for what the OP is looking for, Crossbow Sniper is the only option that I know of for adding Dex to range attack damage.
Tytalus 06-13-07, 08:13 PM	Yup, Shadow Blade is a a feat. So long as you stay in a Shadow Hand stance, you get the bonus damage. Of course, there's nothing saying that you can't use Shadow Blade and Champion of Corellon Larethian at the same time in melee.... short swords are Shadow Hand weapons, no? They are Shadow Hand weapons, but they are not on the list of weapons CoCL applies to. draco1119 was wrong in listing it in his post.
ravenshrike 06-15-07, 03:05 AM	Is this a stance or a strike? If it's a strike, then you only get to use it every other round, at best. If it's a stance, then ... omg. I may switch from twin kukris to a spiked chain. I'll have to look at the rules for multiclassing martial classes, (especially maneuver recovery with Adaptive Style) because Warblades do not have access to shadow hand. Considering I already have 8 ranks of warblade, if I go swordsage next level I will have the swordsage qty of maneuvers with access to level 5 maneuvers from the get-go. OMG. I could wind up with both Int (Battle Cunning) and dex (shadow blade) to damage - that's +11, with reach, per attack. Go twin daggers, as you can still gain a bunch of bonuses from tiger claw still.
draco1119 06-15-07, 05:02 AM	They are Shadow Hand weapons, but they are not on the list of weapons CoCL applies to. draco1119 was wrong in listing it in his post. Ah... crap. Sorry about that. Tytalus is right. It only applies to Long Swords, Rapiers, and the Elven Blades (Thin, Full, and Court).
Lionhearted 06-15-07, 08:08 AM	Isn't it the feat Deadeye shot somewhere that allows dex to damage on ranged weapons
zeratulcraft 06-15-07, 08:18 AM	Within 30ft, yes.