Dex to damage [Archive] - Wizards Community

Dex to damage [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Lionhearted
05-30-07, 08:50 AM Is there any way to gain your dexterity modifier instead of your str modifier on melee damage?
Griff
05-30-07, 09:09 AM Yes.

X stat to Y bonus (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=320889)
Forgotten_Warrior
05-30-07, 11:57 AM The Weapon Finesse feat lets you use your dexterity bonus on light weapons that were made for your size category.
Azezel
05-30-07, 12:21 PM The Champion of Correlon Larathian PrC, from Races of the Wild.
Mercurius
05-30-07, 12:55 PM In Tome of Battle, there's a feat that allows you to add Dex instead of Str to damage when wielding a weapon of the Shadow Hand discipline while in a Shadow Hand stance. It's feat intensive (3 feats total) if you're not a swordsage, but there are some nice stances for Shadow Hand that make it reasonable.
Tempest Stormwind
05-30-07, 01:02 PM The Weapon Finesse feat lets you use your dexterity bonus on light weapons that were made for your size category.

He said DAMAGE, not attack.

Every last suggestion here has been mentioned already -- see the link in Griff's reply and please stop repeating yourselves.

This is a common question and that link is given out extremely commonly (at one point I was posting it daily in Skills and Feats...).

(I don't mean to sound disrespectful; just frustrated that no one seems to read links.)
Grizzled Gryphon
05-30-07, 01:37 PM Do any of those apply your Dex bonus in addition to your Str bonus?
Tempest Stormwind
05-30-07, 01:41 PM Do any of those apply your Dex bonus in addition to your Str bonus?

If you'd followed the link and actually read it...

Unless it says "replaces" or "instead of" on that table, it's in addition to.
Grizzled Gryphon
05-30-07, 04:27 PM Oh, you have to assume it is in addition to, as it doesn't say so. It does say if it replaces it, though. I didn't make the assumption, as assumptions are usually bad.

And yes, I did follow the link, I did actually read it, and nowhere is that explained. As we have all seen, you should never assume things in D&D.
Lionhearted
05-30-07, 05:15 PM In Tome of Battle, there's a feat that allows you to add Dex instead of Str to damage when wielding a weapon of the Shadow Hand discipline while in a Shadow Hand stance. It's feat intensive (3 feats total) if you're not a swordsage, but there are some nice stances for Shadow Hand that make it reasonable.

we aint using tome of battle yet :(

Champion of correlon latherian

Wrong fluffwise sorry
think a combination of puss in boots, zorro, jack sparrows, borat and boris the blade :duel:
Griff
05-31-07, 01:13 AM From what you've described, have you considered swashbuckler [complete warrior] full bab class that gets weapon finess at first lvl and int to damage (as well as strength) at 3rd lvl with finessable weapons. (although not to critters immune to sneak attack)

As well as all that, your class skill list has things like tumble and balance.

(not really very wonderful past those first three levels but as far as fluff goes it sounds right down your alley)

also nice is the feat daring outlaw [complete scoundrel] for multiclass swashbuckler/rogues, progresses sneak attack with swashbuckler levels.

Something a bit more piratey is the PrC scarlet corsair [stormwrack] gives some sneak attack with full bab and feinting as a free action every few rounds.

Its not dex to damage but some sneak attack or Int to damage could help with your damage... and sounds kinda like the character you're describing.

(also if you do go down the sneak attacking path dungeon scape has a good variant that lets you do half sneak dice to things usually un-sneakable)
Neutronium_Dragon
05-31-07, 01:35 AM > Wrong fluffwise sorry
> think a combination of puss in boots, zorro, jack sparrows, borat and boris the
> blade

In that case, Swashbuckler and the Shadow Blade feat, both mentioned above, are probably the very best approximation that you can manage. If it means adopting the Tome of Battle then do so - it's well worth taking the time to learn for the benefit it brings to your game.
Lionhearted
05-31-07, 08:24 AM So far i got a Anthromorphic Cat Rogue/Swashbuckler with daring outlaw, two weapon fighting and the two weapon defense variant from phb2, his name is Mischa and he gave "cat burgler" a face
Grizzled Gryphon
05-31-07, 12:32 PM Don't forget he is an idiot (Borat).
On_the_wings_of_TPK
05-31-07, 03:43 PM Oh, you have to assume it is in addition to, as it doesn't say so. It does say if it replaces it, though. I didn't make the assumption, as assumptions are usually bad.

And yes, I did follow the link, I did actually read it, and nowhere is that explained. As we have all seen, you should never assume things in D&D. generally what you do is take what the feat/skill/spell/rule, etc says at face value. It does exactly what it says it does, no more, no less. So unless something says that it removes strength bonus to damage, (with replaces, or instead of, or the like) then it doesn't. Just as magic missile doesn't deal 48d6 points of fire damage, because the spell description does not say it does.

Don't forget he is an idiot (Borat). Borat actually has 2 I think college degrees, and maybe a doctorate. He may pretend to be stupid, but I guaranty you he isn't. Actually the way he is able to socially engineer people is quiet impressive. If anything I'd say Borat has a high Cha, and Int. And as for classes I'd put him in a beguiler, rogue, or bard.
Witch
05-31-07, 03:47 PM Borat actually has 2 I think college degrees, and maybe a doctorate. He may pretend to be stupid, but I guaranty you he isn't. Actually the way he is able to socially engineer people is quiet impressive. If anything I'd say Borat has a high Cha, and Int. And as for classes I'd put him in a beguiler, rogue, or bard.
Borat is an idiot. Sacha Baron Cohen isn't. There's a difference between the two personalities.
Phrennzy
05-31-07, 04:22 PM Borat actually has 2 I think college degrees, and maybe a doctorate. He may pretend to be stupid, but I guaranty you he isn't. Actually the way he is able to socially engineer people is quiet impressive. If anything I'd say Borat has a high Cha, and Int. And as for classes I'd put him in a beguiler, rogue, or bard.

Borat is a fictional character, and is an idiot.

Sasha Cohen, the actor, is a genius.
Zherog
05-31-07, 04:31 PM Wrong fluffwise sorry
think a combination of puss in boots, zorro, jack sparrows, borat and boris the blade :duel:

So change the fluff.

Or write your own class, with your DM's input, using other classes as a model.
On_the_wings_of_TPK
05-31-07, 07:51 PM Borat is an idiot. Sacha Baron Cohen isn't. There's a difference between the two personalities.

Point taken.
Lionhearted
06-01-07, 11:15 AM Borat mostly for the outlook of other cultures

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Lionhearted 05-30-07, 08:50 AM	Is there any way to gain your dexterity modifier instead of your str modifier on melee damage?
Griff 05-30-07, 09:09 AM	Yes. X stat to Y bonus (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=320889)
Forgotten_Warrior 05-30-07, 11:57 AM	The Weapon Finesse feat lets you use your dexterity bonus on light weapons that were made for your size category.
Azezel 05-30-07, 12:21 PM	The Champion of Correlon Larathian PrC, from Races of the Wild.
Mercurius 05-30-07, 12:55 PM	In Tome of Battle, there's a feat that allows you to add Dex instead of Str to damage when wielding a weapon of the Shadow Hand discipline while in a Shadow Hand stance. It's feat intensive (3 feats total) if you're not a swordsage, but there are some nice stances for Shadow Hand that make it reasonable.
Tempest Stormwind 05-30-07, 01:02 PM	The Weapon Finesse feat lets you use your dexterity bonus on light weapons that were made for your size category. He said DAMAGE, not attack. Every last suggestion here has been mentioned already -- see the link in Griff's reply and please stop repeating yourselves. This is a common question and that link is given out extremely commonly (at one point I was posting it daily in Skills and Feats...). (I don't mean to sound disrespectful; just frustrated that no one seems to read links.)
Grizzled Gryphon 05-30-07, 01:37 PM	Do any of those apply your Dex bonus in addition to your Str bonus?
Tempest Stormwind 05-30-07, 01:41 PM	Do any of those apply your Dex bonus in addition to your Str bonus? If you'd followed the link and actually read it... Unless it says "replaces" or "instead of" on that table, it's in addition to.
Grizzled Gryphon 05-30-07, 04:27 PM	Oh, you have to assume it is in addition to, as it doesn't say so. It does say if it replaces it, though. I didn't make the assumption, as assumptions are usually bad. And yes, I did follow the link, I did actually read it, and nowhere is that explained. As we have all seen, you should never assume things in D&D.
Lionhearted 05-30-07, 05:15 PM	In Tome of Battle, there's a feat that allows you to add Dex instead of Str to damage when wielding a weapon of the Shadow Hand discipline while in a Shadow Hand stance. It's feat intensive (3 feats total) if you're not a swordsage, but there are some nice stances for Shadow Hand that make it reasonable. we aint using tome of battle yet :( Champion of correlon latherian Wrong fluffwise sorry think a combination of puss in boots, zorro, jack sparrows, borat and boris the blade :duel:
Griff 05-31-07, 01:13 AM	From what you've described, have you considered swashbuckler [complete warrior] full bab class that gets weapon finess at first lvl and int to damage (as well as strength) at 3rd lvl with finessable weapons. (although not to critters immune to sneak attack) As well as all that, your class skill list has things like tumble and balance. (not really very wonderful past those first three levels but as far as fluff goes it sounds right down your alley) also nice is the feat daring outlaw [complete scoundrel] for multiclass swashbuckler/rogues, progresses sneak attack with swashbuckler levels. Something a bit more piratey is the PrC scarlet corsair [stormwrack] gives some sneak attack with full bab and feinting as a free action every few rounds. Its not dex to damage but some sneak attack or Int to damage could help with your damage... and sounds kinda like the character you're describing. (also if you do go down the sneak attacking path dungeon scape has a good variant that lets you do half sneak dice to things usually un-sneakable)
Neutronium_Dragon 05-31-07, 01:35 AM	> Wrong fluffwise sorry > think a combination of puss in boots, zorro, jack sparrows, borat and boris the > blade In that case, Swashbuckler and the Shadow Blade feat, both mentioned above, are probably the very best approximation that you can manage. If it means adopting the Tome of Battle then do so - it's well worth taking the time to learn for the benefit it brings to your game.
Lionhearted 05-31-07, 08:24 AM	So far i got a Anthromorphic Cat Rogue/Swashbuckler with daring outlaw, two weapon fighting and the two weapon defense variant from phb2, his name is Mischa and he gave "cat burgler" a face
Grizzled Gryphon 05-31-07, 12:32 PM	Don't forget he is an idiot (Borat).
On_the_wings_of_TPK 05-31-07, 03:43 PM	Oh, you have to assume it is in addition to, as it doesn't say so. It does say if it replaces it, though. I didn't make the assumption, as assumptions are usually bad. And yes, I did follow the link, I did actually read it, and nowhere is that explained. As we have all seen, you should never assume things in D&D. generally what you do is take what the feat/skill/spell/rule, etc says at face value. It does exactly what it says it does, no more, no less. So unless something says that it removes strength bonus to damage, (with replaces, or instead of, or the like) then it doesn't. Just as magic missile doesn't deal 48d6 points of fire damage, because the spell description does not say it does. Don't forget he is an idiot (Borat). Borat actually has 2 I think college degrees, and maybe a doctorate. He may pretend to be stupid, but I guaranty you he isn't. Actually the way he is able to socially engineer people is quiet impressive. If anything I'd say Borat has a high Cha, and Int. And as for classes I'd put him in a beguiler, rogue, or bard.
Witch 05-31-07, 03:47 PM	Borat actually has 2 I think college degrees, and maybe a doctorate. He may pretend to be stupid, but I guaranty you he isn't. Actually the way he is able to socially engineer people is quiet impressive. If anything I'd say Borat has a high Cha, and Int. And as for classes I'd put him in a beguiler, rogue, or bard. Borat is an idiot. Sacha Baron Cohen isn't. There's a difference between the two personalities.
Phrennzy 05-31-07, 04:22 PM	Borat actually has 2 I think college degrees, and maybe a doctorate. He may pretend to be stupid, but I guaranty you he isn't. Actually the way he is able to socially engineer people is quiet impressive. If anything I'd say Borat has a high Cha, and Int. And as for classes I'd put him in a beguiler, rogue, or bard. Borat is a fictional character, and is an idiot. Sasha Cohen, the actor, is a genius.
Zherog 05-31-07, 04:31 PM	Wrong fluffwise sorry think a combination of puss in boots, zorro, jack sparrows, borat and boris the blade :duel: So change the fluff. Or write your own class, with your DM's input, using other classes as a model.
On_the_wings_of_TPK 05-31-07, 07:51 PM	Borat is an idiot. Sacha Baron Cohen isn't. There's a difference between the two personalities. Point taken.
Lionhearted 06-01-07, 11:15 AM	Borat mostly for the outlook of other cultures