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Rico_Huerta
09-14-07, 07:26 PM hey, what shoudl I do about this?

My recently acquired DM wants to kill my cleric, and have me play a druid. I have no care to be a druid, and I am trying to get my cleric to be a powerhouse. The plan of my DM is to get my Freelance cleric to convert to an evil god, then have him and his evil baddies fight the PCs. I have a feeling that A) I could kill the pcs with some buddy baddies, and B) he doesn't like my character.

What would you guys advise?

P.S. Finding a new DM isn;t a valid option. I am in college and this is the only group I can find.
Sixam
09-14-07, 07:38 PM Quit.

If he's openly stating how he wants to take your character and turn it into a NPC, then it stands that you're not getting to play D&D anyway - he's merely going to be playing 'your' characters for you through gross railroading. I know I wouldn't stand for it. To me, the DM is the God of his world, but his influence ends, and only ends, with the the decisions of the PCs.

If you don't want to quit, explain to him emphatically you really like the character and don't want to give him up.

To hedge your bets, don't quit right away but start searching local gaming group boards for a new D&D party in the meantime.
Karish
09-14-07, 07:39 PM Tell him: "Your job is to play the NPC's and the world itself. My job is to play a character. You're allowed to make the world however you want and we don't really deserve to whine, so don't be an s.o.b. when I want to play a class I like that you never outlawed when we were making characters, okay?"
Rico_Huerta
09-14-07, 07:51 PM he is letting me play it still. Would it be possible/ likely for me to actually KILL the rest of the group if he is becomng evil?

we are level 4 right now, I think he said it could be a bit before he wants to evilize my character. the others are a Ranger, a paladin, a rogue (lvl 2 tuned down Satyr) and a wizard, only two of which is really decent. If I could take the ranger out, the rest would probably be easy to kill.

What do you htink of this plan?
Sixam
09-14-07, 08:11 PM Just kill them when the come to you for healing.
That's when they're at their weakest.
Tunllaw
09-14-07, 08:26 PM kill the party in their sleep and then yourself. enjoy the new adventure.
Rico_Huerta
09-14-07, 08:35 PM Why myself?
GuyrtheadamantineOne
09-14-07, 08:42 PM Because the fun won't be there anymore, duh. Seriously, he's acting like a jerk.
Salla
09-14-07, 08:51 PM Definitely quit. Unless you're at a really small college, there's got to be more gaming to be got. Check at the game stores (if any), ask the other folks at the game if they know anybody.
Adric_the_Commoner
09-14-07, 09:26 PM Couple of points:

*No matter what your DM or you think, when PCs start killing PCs, the fun is gone and the game goes to hell. No matter who brought up the idea, drop it like the nuclear warhead it is.

*The DM cannot take over your character like that. The idea of a PC turning evil and becoming a BBEG is classic but it only works if the PC becomes an NPC. If you don't want this character to be evil, then the problem is solved. Because if the DM tries to force you to become evil then you leave. Even if this is the only group you can find you won't have fun if he's so controling.
Starcloud
09-14-07, 09:39 PM Tell him its his job to make up the NPCs. It is not your job to create characters for the DM to take over.
Saiyamantis
09-14-07, 09:45 PM Given that you're already sizing up your fellow party members (see posts 1 and 4), I'm guessing that you're not too upset by the thought of turning evil. Your actual concern seems to be the risk of losing your character if all doesn't go according to plan. Have you considered that the other players value their characters as well?

The most important thing to decide before playing an evil character is whether everyone involved is mature enough to handle it. That means your fellow players, your DM, and yes, even you. If anyone involved in the game is likely to get upset, or do something that will make someone upset as a result of this, don't do it. It's that simple.

Playing the undercover bad guy in a party of heroes can be fun, but outright confrontations between party members tend to ruin a game quickly. These scenarios work best when only you and the DM know exactly what's going on- talk it out with him, roleplay your descent into darkness away from the main gaming table, and slowly drop hints to your fellow party members that something isn't quite right. Once they put all the pieces together, it's up to them whether they try to kill or redeem you. If they choose the latter, you'll end up with a more developed character overall, and have a great story to share with friends to boot. Otherwise... well, you went along with this crazy plan. Time to accept the consequences.
Mr_Seth
09-14-07, 09:51 PM Agree to the DM's wishes, on three conditions.

1: The new character will be a Kobold.
2: ...With the Divine Minion template.
3: And the "Serpent Kingdoms" sourcebook, and all its contents, are free game for the character.

Then, make Pun-Pun. It might take a few levels, but it'll be worth it. Kill the universe. Start a new campaign, preferably with a new DM.
1red13
09-14-07, 10:42 PM What makes you beleive that you can do in the rest of your party. Admittedly you're not going to walk up to them and tell them you are now going to end them. Are their characters so poorly made up that you are head and shoulders above them. Or is possibly you are plotting with the dm to kill their characters?
Salora
09-14-07, 10:46 PM Not to mention that turning a party member evil while having a Paladin in the party would be kind of hard. The Paladin would be constantly nay-saying your choices that lead you to being evil and once you are (Somehow ...) evil the Paladin will most likely find out fastest and either try to get you to change your ways really quickly, attack you, leave the party.

Sounds to me like the DM really hasn't thought it through that much given the party makeup, the game time past (Only level four and he already wants to get rid of a class?) and the future of the party.

Even if you somehow manage to go evil with a Paladin in the party, survive untill you get your chance to attack and then you end up dead ... the Paladin would most likely have a few questions about himself as a Paladin. After all, he couldn't stop you from going evil, he mustn't be very good at his job and so he might end up either leaving the party anyway or lose his paladin status and turn neutral (Or something) because he feels unable to come to terms with his failures.

The party will likely break up.

Or if you manage to do all that but somehow kill the rest of your party (BTW: You seem to be under the impression that you can kill the Wizzard easily ... at your current level he could simply put you to sleep and kill you. Just because they have low HD and only a few spells and no AC or BAB doesn't mean they are pushovers.) but if you manage to kill the party, then everyone will have to start from scratch. Also not a good thing, and the other players might have become just as attached to their characters as you have. Do you really want to spoil their fun just because you aren't having any?

The other option is that perhaps the DM wasn't being completely serious. I've often been told by my DM that he would like to kill off this or that character and have them roll something else.

More often than not it was simple a passing throught. Other times the DM has tried to kill the character off, but the party kept saving the character or else it just wouldn't die.

Other reasons for this are many. The DM could be under the impression that you really just aren't playing your class well and that it is hurting the game. If this is the case, I'd say your DM is in the right, but you need to have a talk with him/her and find out the reason s/he wants to kill you off.

The DM could have come to the conclusion that the party makeup/dynamic just isn't working and that s/he made a mistake when s/he allowed that party makeup and is now trying to find ways to rectify the situation. In which case, again, you should talk to him/her and perhaps the rest of the party. If the DM doesn't feel the party is right, maybe one of the other players would like to try their hand at a different class that could perhaps change the party dynamic enough for the DM to be happy.

What it all boils down to is that you need to communicate with your DM and other players. Stamping your foot down just because the DM says something you don't like is silly at best. Who knows, you might even agree with the DM's position after you hear him/her out.

Addmittedly it is unfair of him/her to kill of your character, but remember that s/he hasn't given you a cutoff date. Perhaps s/he is just waiting to see if the problems s/he sees will disappear given enough time.

Alturnatly, if the DM really, really wants to kill your character there isn't much you can do about it. It might be unfair of him/her to do it, but it is easily done.

Lastly, you need to understand something about DMs. They are human, and sometimes they make mistakes. Finding ways to fix those mistakes is problimatic at best. In my first DM experience I accidently killed off a player using an improvised trap that decapitated him with a rather nasty ball of fire. They were several levels into the game and it all happened so fast that nobody knew that had happened untill the fighter was dead. It was too late to fix it, and the game died because of rather poor DM skills. My players talked about it, and told me that it was a silly thing to do, and I learnt from it, but nobody wanted to carry on playing that game so a new one was set up with a different DM. This gave me time to learn and work on being a better DM.

If your DM is intent on killing you (It could still have been a passing thought.), you need to let him know you are unhappy about it and that it could ruin the game for everyone.

Talk to the DM first, then if you still aren't happy talk to the players (In that order, you don't want to discredit your DM in the eyes of the other players only to find out that s/he is reasonable after all.). After talking to the players and finding out how they will re-act, take it from there. If the players are united behind you, go back to the DM. You will have the upper hand and then try to sort it out with no bad feelings. (Calling the DM an idiot won't help matters. If you are being reasonable chances are s/he will be too. If you act like a jerk, chances are s/he will too.)

If the players aren't behind you, find out why. Perhaps it is you that is at fault. Be reasonable, and if you can't then find yourself another game, either by getting the group to start a new one (Not the best as the other players will have to re-roll and the DM's work will have gone to waste.) or by finding another group, or even try the druid. You might enjoy it.
Salla
09-14-07, 10:47 PM What makes you beleive that you can do in the rest of your party. Admittedly you're not going to walk up to them and tell them you are now going to end them. Are their characters so poorly made up that you are head and shoulders above them. Or is possibly you are plotting with the dm to kill their characters?

He's a cleric. Unless one of the other PCs is a druid, he IS head and shoulders above them. :)
1red13
09-14-07, 11:50 PM How?
Novem
09-15-07, 12:00 AM How?

Clerics, with the exception of Druids, are the most powerful class. Ever. And, unless the Wizard is seriously good, he could destroy the party- in his sleep. Even the CoDzilla deniers can't deny that they will come to him, weak, looking for healing, and that his Character is then in the ultimate position to strike.
Man in the Funny Hat
09-15-07, 12:09 AM hey, what shoudl I do about this?

My recently acquired DM wants to kill my cleric, and have me play a druid. I have no care to be a druid, and I am trying to get my cleric to be a powerhouse. The plan of my DM is to get my Freelance cleric to convert to an evil god, then have him and his evil baddies fight the PCs. I have a feeling that A) I could kill the pcs with some buddy baddies, and B) he doesn't like my character.

What would you guys advise?

P.S. Finding a new DM isn;t a valid option. I am in college and this is the only group I can find.<sigh>

Talk to your DM. Inform him that it's YOUR character, not his. You created and developed this character within the framework of what HE allowed to be created and developed by players within his campaign. YOU make the decisions for what your character does. NOT HIM. NOT EVER. He controls the NPC's and monsters. NEVER the PC's. I believe the appropriate quote is:
"Keep your stinking, filthy paws off me you damned dirty ape!" - Taylor, Planet of the Apes.

If he allowed you to roll up a cleric and you chose to do so, then a cleric is what you get to play until he comes up with sensible, proper, and COMPELLING reasons why YOUR character should be REMOVED FROM PLAY. Reasons such as, your character is so overpowered as to be disruptive, or ALL clerics are being removed from the game world and turned into druids, or the like.

Even if he DOES remove your character from play for GOOD REASON, it is then still YOUR choice among all the possibilities that he allows for ALL players to decide what your replacement character will be. HE DOES NOT GET TO DICTATE THIS TO YOU.

Your DM has very mistaken ideas about what he is allowed to control in the game and you need to set him straight NOW. And if he won't straighten up then you get to choose to either let him screw with your characters at his personal whim regardless of your opinion and enjoyment, or walk out. Not a fun choice but it would be your only choice, even if it also meant that you would not have another game to play in.
Yokomohoyo
09-15-07, 02:36 AM Tell your DM that you dont like the idea. If he really wishes to go through with it then have your character kill himself. After all he would rather die then to fall from grace of his god.

After that roll up a VOP Frienzed Bezerker and mess up the DM's game as he messed up yours. ^_^
Ace_of_time
09-15-07, 10:46 AM Who do you warship now?
navar100
09-15-07, 10:53 AM Your DM is a jerk. He cares not for players' fun, only his own. Tell him to stop. You will play your cleric. No one becomes evil to kill the rest of the party. If he doesn't like it, have someone else be DM, another player or yourself.

If none of this is possible, quit. If you can't find others to play D&D, then don't play. There's more to life than D&D. Find other things to enjoy but still look for players, maybe even outside of college.
DyloniusFunk
09-15-07, 11:12 AM Your DM is a jerk. He cares not for players' fun, only his own. Tell him to stop. You will play your cleric. No one becomes evil to kill the rest of the party. If he doesn't like it, have someone else be DM, another player or yourself.

If none of this is possible, quit. If you can't find others to play D&D, then don't play. There's more to life than D&D. Find other things to enjoy but still look for players, maybe even outside of college.

Agreed, just remember no D&D> Bad D&D, and that goes both ways.
metalmayhem80110
09-15-07, 11:19 AM Whenever a DM decides he doesn't like my char for some reason, and wants to get rid of it... Well there is only one thing to do.

Fight for it, keep your character alive as long as you can. I do to see how far th edm will take it.
Rico_Huerta
09-15-07, 12:57 PM ok I get the idea that I should talk to my DM, talk to the players(I'd rather NOT go evil, so won't), and if all else fails go down in flame and glory, and blame the inherit character deaths on the DM?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Rico_Huerta 09-14-07, 07:26 PM	hey, what shoudl I do about this? My recently acquired DM wants to kill my cleric, and have me play a druid. I have no care to be a druid, and I am trying to get my cleric to be a powerhouse. The plan of my DM is to get my Freelance cleric to convert to an evil god, then have him and his evil baddies fight the PCs. I have a feeling that A) I could kill the pcs with some buddy baddies, and B) he doesn't like my character. What would you guys advise? P.S. Finding a new DM isn;t a valid option. I am in college and this is the only group I can find.
Sixam 09-14-07, 07:38 PM	Quit. If he's openly stating how he wants to take your character and turn it into a NPC, then it stands that you're not getting to play D&D anyway - he's merely going to be playing 'your' characters for you through gross railroading. I know I wouldn't stand for it. To me, the DM is the God of his world, but his influence ends, and only ends, with the the decisions of the PCs. If you don't want to quit, explain to him emphatically you really like the character and don't want to give him up. To hedge your bets, don't quit right away but start searching local gaming group boards for a new D&D party in the meantime.
Karish 09-14-07, 07:39 PM	Tell him: "Your job is to play the NPC's and the world itself. My job is to play a character. You're allowed to make the world however you want and we don't really deserve to whine, so don't be an s.o.b. when I want to play a class I like that you never outlawed when we were making characters, okay?"
Rico_Huerta 09-14-07, 07:51 PM	he is letting me play it still. Would it be possible/ likely for me to actually KILL the rest of the group if he is becomng evil? we are level 4 right now, I think he said it could be a bit before he wants to evilize my character. the others are a Ranger, a paladin, a rogue (lvl 2 tuned down Satyr) and a wizard, only two of which is really decent. If I could take the ranger out, the rest would probably be easy to kill. What do you htink of this plan?
Sixam 09-14-07, 08:11 PM	Just kill them when the come to you for healing. That's when they're at their weakest.
Tunllaw 09-14-07, 08:26 PM	kill the party in their sleep and then yourself. enjoy the new adventure.
Rico_Huerta 09-14-07, 08:35 PM	Why myself?
GuyrtheadamantineOne 09-14-07, 08:42 PM	Because the fun won't be there anymore, duh. Seriously, he's acting like a jerk.
Salla 09-14-07, 08:51 PM	Definitely quit. Unless you're at a really small college, there's got to be more gaming to be got. Check at the game stores (if any), ask the other folks at the game if they know anybody.
Adric_the_Commoner 09-14-07, 09:26 PM	Couple of points: No matter what your DM or you think, when PCs start killing PCs, the fun is gone and the game goes to hell. No matter who brought up the idea, drop it like the nuclear warhead it is. The DM cannot take over your character like that. The idea of a PC turning evil and becoming a BBEG is classic but it only works if the PC becomes an NPC. If you don't want this character to be evil, then the problem is solved. Because if the DM tries to force you to become evil then you leave. Even if this is the only group you can find you won't have fun if he's so controling.
Starcloud 09-14-07, 09:39 PM	Tell him its his job to make up the NPCs. It is not your job to create characters for the DM to take over.
Saiyamantis 09-14-07, 09:45 PM	Given that you're already sizing up your fellow party members (see posts 1 and 4), I'm guessing that you're not too upset by the thought of turning evil. Your actual concern seems to be the risk of losing your character if all doesn't go according to plan. Have you considered that the other players value their characters as well? The most important thing to decide before playing an evil character is whether everyone involved is mature enough to handle it. That means your fellow players, your DM, and yes, even you. If anyone involved in the game is likely to get upset, or do something that will make someone upset as a result of this, don't do it. It's that simple. Playing the undercover bad guy in a party of heroes can be fun, but outright confrontations between party members tend to ruin a game quickly. These scenarios work best when only you and the DM know exactly what's going on- talk it out with him, roleplay your descent into darkness away from the main gaming table, and slowly drop hints to your fellow party members that something isn't quite right. Once they put all the pieces together, it's up to them whether they try to kill or redeem you. If they choose the latter, you'll end up with a more developed character overall, and have a great story to share with friends to boot. Otherwise... well, you went along with this crazy plan. Time to accept the consequences.
Mr_Seth 09-14-07, 09:51 PM	Agree to the DM's wishes, on three conditions. 1: The new character will be a Kobold. 2: ...With the Divine Minion template. 3: And the "Serpent Kingdoms" sourcebook, and all its contents, are free game for the character. Then, make Pun-Pun. It might take a few levels, but it'll be worth it. Kill the universe. Start a new campaign, preferably with a new DM.
1red13 09-14-07, 10:42 PM	What makes you beleive that you can do in the rest of your party. Admittedly you're not going to walk up to them and tell them you are now going to end them. Are their characters so poorly made up that you are head and shoulders above them. Or is possibly you are plotting with the dm to kill their characters?
Salora 09-14-07, 10:46 PM	Not to mention that turning a party member evil while having a Paladin in the party would be kind of hard. The Paladin would be constantly nay-saying your choices that lead you to being evil and once you are (Somehow ...) evil the Paladin will most likely find out fastest and either try to get you to change your ways really quickly, attack you, leave the party. Sounds to me like the DM really hasn't thought it through that much given the party makeup, the game time past (Only level four and he already wants to get rid of a class?) and the future of the party. Even if you somehow manage to go evil with a Paladin in the party, survive untill you get your chance to attack and then you end up dead ... the Paladin would most likely have a few questions about himself as a Paladin. After all, he couldn't stop you from going evil, he mustn't be very good at his job and so he might end up either leaving the party anyway or lose his paladin status and turn neutral (Or something) because he feels unable to come to terms with his failures. The party will likely break up. Or if you manage to do all that but somehow kill the rest of your party (BTW: You seem to be under the impression that you can kill the Wizzard easily ... at your current level he could simply put you to sleep and kill you. Just because they have low HD and only a few spells and no AC or BAB doesn't mean they are pushovers.) but if you manage to kill the party, then everyone will have to start from scratch. Also not a good thing, and the other players might have become just as attached to their characters as you have. Do you really want to spoil their fun just because you aren't having any? The other option is that perhaps the DM wasn't being completely serious. I've often been told by my DM that he would like to kill off this or that character and have them roll something else. More often than not it was simple a passing throught. Other times the DM has tried to kill the character off, but the party kept saving the character or else it just wouldn't die. Other reasons for this are many. The DM could be under the impression that you really just aren't playing your class well and that it is hurting the game. If this is the case, I'd say your DM is in the right, but you need to have a talk with him/her and find out the reason s/he wants to kill you off. The DM could have come to the conclusion that the party makeup/dynamic just isn't working and that s/he made a mistake when s/he allowed that party makeup and is now trying to find ways to rectify the situation. In which case, again, you should talk to him/her and perhaps the rest of the party. If the DM doesn't feel the party is right, maybe one of the other players would like to try their hand at a different class that could perhaps change the party dynamic enough for the DM to be happy. What it all boils down to is that you need to communicate with your DM and other players. Stamping your foot down just because the DM says something you don't like is silly at best. Who knows, you might even agree with the DM's position after you hear him/her out. Addmittedly it is unfair of him/her to kill of your character, but remember that s/he hasn't given you a cutoff date. Perhaps s/he is just waiting to see if the problems s/he sees will disappear given enough time. Alturnatly, if the DM really, really wants to kill your character there isn't much you can do about it. It might be unfair of him/her to do it, but it is easily done. Lastly, you need to understand something about DMs. They are human, and sometimes they make mistakes. Finding ways to fix those mistakes is problimatic at best. In my first DM experience I accidently killed off a player using an improvised trap that decapitated him with a rather nasty ball of fire. They were several levels into the game and it all happened so fast that nobody knew that had happened untill the fighter was dead. It was too late to fix it, and the game died because of rather poor DM skills. My players talked about it, and told me that it was a silly thing to do, and I learnt from it, but nobody wanted to carry on playing that game so a new one was set up with a different DM. This gave me time to learn and work on being a better DM. If your DM is intent on killing you (It could still have been a passing thought.), you need to let him know you are unhappy about it and that it could ruin the game for everyone. Talk to the DM first, then if you still aren't happy talk to the players (In that order, you don't want to discredit your DM in the eyes of the other players only to find out that s/he is reasonable after all.). After talking to the players and finding out how they will re-act, take it from there. If the players are united behind you, go back to the DM. You will have the upper hand and then try to sort it out with no bad feelings. (Calling the DM an idiot won't help matters. If you are being reasonable chances are s/he will be too. If you act like a jerk, chances are s/he will too.) If the players aren't behind you, find out why. Perhaps it is you that is at fault. Be reasonable, and if you can't then find yourself another game, either by getting the group to start a new one (Not the best as the other players will have to re-roll and the DM's work will have gone to waste.) or by finding another group, or even try the druid. You might enjoy it.
Salla 09-14-07, 10:47 PM	What makes you beleive that you can do in the rest of your party. Admittedly you're not going to walk up to them and tell them you are now going to end them. Are their characters so poorly made up that you are head and shoulders above them. Or is possibly you are plotting with the dm to kill their characters? He's a cleric. Unless one of the other PCs is a druid, he IS head and shoulders above them. :)
1red13 09-14-07, 11:50 PM	How?
Novem 09-15-07, 12:00 AM	How? Clerics, with the exception of Druids, are the most powerful class. Ever. And, unless the Wizard is seriously good, he could destroy the party- in his sleep. Even the CoDzilla deniers can't deny that they will come to him, weak, looking for healing, and that his Character is then in the ultimate position to strike.
Man in the Funny Hat 09-15-07, 12:09 AM	hey, what shoudl I do about this? My recently acquired DM wants to kill my cleric, and have me play a druid. I have no care to be a druid, and I am trying to get my cleric to be a powerhouse. The plan of my DM is to get my Freelance cleric to convert to an evil god, then have him and his evil baddies fight the PCs. I have a feeling that A) I could kill the pcs with some buddy baddies, and B) he doesn't like my character. What would you guys advise? P.S. Finding a new DM isn;t a valid option. I am in college and this is the only group I can find.<sigh> Talk to your DM. Inform him that it's YOUR character, not his. You created and developed this character within the framework of what HE allowed to be created and developed by players within his campaign. YOU make the decisions for what your character does. NOT HIM. NOT EVER. He controls the NPC's and monsters. NEVER the PC's. I believe the appropriate quote is: "Keep your stinking, filthy paws off me you damned dirty ape!" - Taylor, Planet of the Apes. If he allowed you to roll up a cleric and you chose to do so, then a cleric is what you get to play until he comes up with sensible, proper, and COMPELLING reasons why YOUR character should be REMOVED FROM PLAY. Reasons such as, your character is so overpowered as to be disruptive, or ALL clerics are being removed from the game world and turned into druids, or the like. Even if he DOES remove your character from play for GOOD REASON, it is then still YOUR choice among all the possibilities that he allows for ALL players to decide what your replacement character will be. HE DOES NOT GET TO DICTATE THIS TO YOU. Your DM has very mistaken ideas about what he is allowed to control in the game and you need to set him straight NOW. And if he won't straighten up then you get to choose to either let him screw with your characters at his personal whim regardless of your opinion and enjoyment, or walk out. Not a fun choice but it would be your only choice, even if it also meant that you would not have another game to play in.
Yokomohoyo 09-15-07, 02:36 AM	Tell your DM that you dont like the idea. If he really wishes to go through with it then have your character kill himself. After all he would rather die then to fall from grace of his god. After that roll up a VOP Frienzed Bezerker and mess up the DM's game as he messed up yours. ^_^
Ace_of_time 09-15-07, 10:46 AM	Who do you warship now?
navar100 09-15-07, 10:53 AM	Your DM is a jerk. He cares not for players' fun, only his own. Tell him to stop. You will play your cleric. No one becomes evil to kill the rest of the party. If he doesn't like it, have someone else be DM, another player or yourself. If none of this is possible, quit. If you can't find others to play D&D, then don't play. There's more to life than D&D. Find other things to enjoy but still look for players, maybe even outside of college.
DyloniusFunk 09-15-07, 11:12 AM	Your DM is a jerk. He cares not for players' fun, only his own. Tell him to stop. You will play your cleric. No one becomes evil to kill the rest of the party. If he doesn't like it, have someone else be DM, another player or yourself. If none of this is possible, quit. If you can't find others to play D&D, then don't play. There's more to life than D&D. Find other things to enjoy but still look for players, maybe even outside of college. Agreed, just remember no D&D> Bad D&D, and that goes both ways.
metalmayhem80110 09-15-07, 11:19 AM	Whenever a DM decides he doesn't like my char for some reason, and wants to get rid of it... Well there is only one thing to do. Fight for it, keep your character alive as long as you can. I do to see how far th edm will take it.
Rico_Huerta 09-15-07, 12:57 PM	ok I get the idea that I should talk to my DM, talk to the players(I'd rather NOT go evil, so won't), and if all else fails go down in flame and glory, and blame the inherit character deaths on the DM?