DM... wrong rules [Archive] - Wizards Community

DM... wrong rules [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
fun2223
03-30-07, 12:52 PM I always play wizards, first time i don't, my friend plays a sorceror so we still have spells, DM says sorcerors can cast any spell once per round even ninth level ones.
Mindolin
03-30-07, 01:00 PM Yeah, that's a wrong rule, but what do you want us to do about it? Offer advice? You haven't even asked a question. Sympathy? I have none, just play a sorcerer next time. Best advice is to have him read up on the rules for sorcerers and spells known.
Augurer
03-30-07, 01:00 PM So play a Sorcerer? They sound like uber-Wizards in your DM's campaign.
Darkwolf71
03-30-07, 01:10 PM Be sure to let us know how your all sorcerer party works out. ;)
fun2223
03-30-07, 01:20 PM WELL... Question: How can I convince him otherwise, and get around the ITS A HOUSE RULE problem, I'm not really concerned (sp?) about the uber sorceror, im concerned about the person PLAYING the sorceror, and PS there are times when someone with the intellegence of a teletubby should NOT be able to cast [insert evocation or necromancy spell here] at will.

Wail of the Banshee, I fear for my life...
trapspringer
03-30-07, 01:25 PM multiclass. Duh. If that's how sorcerers work, why take more than one level?

You'll be just like him but with more HP.
Cthulhu3125
03-30-07, 01:26 PM I always play wizards, first time i don't, my friend plays a sorceror so we still have spells, DM says sorcerors can cast any spell once per round even ninth level ones.

The standard solution involves the corner of the DMG, and its being used as a weapon.
fun2223
03-30-07, 01:30 PM The standard solution involves the corner of the DMG, and its being used as a weapon.

Thank you , I now see the light

cookiecookiecookiecookiecookiecookie
Fireclave
03-30-07, 01:54 PM http://student-iat.ubalt.edu/sde/students/tynes/oldman2.pngIt is dangerous to go against the DM alone. Take this.

Do do Doo Dooooooo!
http://student-iat.ubalt.edu/sde/students/tynes/hammergun.gif
_Jayne_Cobb_
03-30-07, 01:58 PM WELL... Question: How can I convince him otherwise

Tell him to RTFM.
Azezel
03-30-07, 06:06 PM Wow - I had to use this visual aid twice in one dayhttp://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q101/MCP1/DMG_Corners.jpg
Khoran
03-30-07, 06:40 PM Just out of currosity, has he said it's a house rule, or is he honestly ignorant on how Sorcerer spell casting works? If it's the later, just get your PHB and politely correct him.
fun2223
03-30-07, 10:19 PM Just out of currosity, has he said it's a house rule, or is he honestly ignorant on how Sorcerer spell casting works? If it's the later, just get your PHB and politely correct him.

At first ignorant, after confronted, made it a house rule, i called tonight, convinced him to let me be a cleric and do the same!! I think ill use a scroll of [ spell that makes you warforged titan] with a permanency to break the power levels.
On_the_wings_of_TPK
03-31-07, 01:40 AM You can do a lot better then that. Mirical comes to mind...
Geogoose
03-31-07, 01:54 AM Be a sorceror yourself. Under his rules, AoE of Power Word: Kill will net you easy experience for many levels. You don't even need to try to break the game when you have 9th level spells from the get-go.
Despana
03-31-07, 02:20 AM Just take 1 level of every class that allows any manner of spell casting and have every ability in the game. :rolleyes:
Salla
03-31-07, 07:59 AM Just take 1 level of every class that allows any manner of spell casting and have every ability in the game. :rolleyes:

I agree with this. One of the fastest ways to show that a house rule is a bad idea (not all are, but this one sure is) is to break it completely.

Heck, he said any spell? Grab yourself an Epic Level Handbook.
StalkerEntreri
03-31-07, 08:33 AM Yeah; do Vengeful Gaze of God on the Tarrasque; or better yet, make an epic level spell that does the same as Vengeful Gaze Of God; yet not backfire. That should break the DM's ruling and set him back to the standard
fun2223
03-31-07, 01:57 PM LOL he will PAY muahahahahahahahahahhahahaahhahaha
haha

But i think ill save the epic spells for when he has us fighting god avatars. ALWAYS USES TIAMET.
Ace_of_time
04-01-07, 12:22 AM What level is your party? Is he talking about you also get access to 9 level spells or is he talking about your PC being able to cast any spell he knows once per round? I think you should play a sorc, but not his way. Read up on sorc class and play it the way it is suppose to be play. The worst that could happen is him telling you that you have to cast 9th level spells.
green_yawgmoth
04-01-07, 01:05 AM http://student-iat.ubalt.edu/sde/students/tynes/oldman2.pngIt is dangerous to go against the DM alone. Take this.

Do do Doo Dooooooo!
http://student-iat.ubalt.edu/sde/students/tynes/hammergun.gif Epic win. :cookie:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/yawgmoth/kittyjig.gif
DrMorganes
04-01-07, 01:11 AM Epic win.

Agreed. Extra points for old school video game references!
3DJutsu
04-01-07, 01:37 AM I always play wizards, first time i don't, my friend plays a sorceror so we still have spells, DM says sorcerors can cast any spell once per round even ninth level ones.

Maybe I'm missing something vital here, whats your question? Does this have something to do with Sorcerers and Metamagic or what...?
The White Sorcerer
04-01-07, 02:43 AM Does this have something to do with Sorcerers and Metamagic or what...?

No, I think it has more to do with a 1st-level sorcerer being able to cast meteor swarm on every round of combat, in every combat.
KurenaiYami
04-01-07, 03:02 AM You also qualify for Mystic Theurge at level 2!

Not that that means anything with this type of spellcasting, just throwing it out there.

Oh, and tell your DM that I think he's an idiot.
Chie
04-01-07, 08:03 AM There are some people that really should never be allowed behind the DM screen.I do believe that he qualifies.However if he is dead set on this rule of his,I suggest you have fun and start using wishes...then meteor swarms,and just sort of go down the list from there.
LivingShadow
04-01-07, 12:42 PM What is the CL that he has you cast at? A CL 1 meteor swarm isn't quite as bad as a CL30 one but it still causes major problems.
trapspringer
04-01-07, 01:21 PM What is the CL that he has you cast at? A CL 1 meteor swarm isn't quite as bad as a CL30 one but it still causes major problems.

That's an interesting point.

Most direct and area of effect damage spells scale by level. It'll look pretty, but a level one fireball is only 1d6 damage.

I mean, this is still really studid 'cuz power word kill, but you know what I'm sayin'.
Daydreamer
04-01-07, 06:48 PM Does he have favortism for this pc? if not just ask him to read the rules, the dm can choose to ignore rules-but he should know what they are first!! If this is , as you say, him not knowing the rules this is easily fixed.
fun2223
04-01-07, 07:37 PM What is the CL that he has you cast at? A CL 1 meteor swarm isn't quite as bad as a CL30 one but it still causes major problems. CL= Character level

Does he have favortism for this pc? if not just ask him to read the rules, the dm can choose to ignore rules-but he should know what they are first!! If this is , as you say, him not knowing the rules this is easily fixed. Its his brother, im his cousin, no real favoritism.

What level is your party? Is he talking about you also get access to 9 level spells or is he talking about your PC being able to cast any spell he knows once per round? I think you should play a sorc, but not his way. Read up on sorc class and play it the way it is suppose to be play. The worst that could happen is him telling you that you have to cast 9th level spells.
You get access to all you know or have in scroll or spellbook.
Ace_of_time
04-01-07, 10:00 PM Then really you only get to cast off of spells you know each round and that's not really that bad. I still say to play as a sorc and use the rules that are supposed to be used and see what happens.
LivingShadow
04-02-07, 08:13 AM You get access to all you know or have in scroll or spellbook.

That make it a bit more reasonable because you won't have access to the super strong spells until fairly high levels.
Nakat
04-02-07, 01:30 PM Sounds like you should all just play Warlocks and show the DM that that is really what he is talking about.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
fun2223 03-30-07, 12:52 PM	I always play wizards, first time i don't, my friend plays a sorceror so we still have spells, DM says sorcerors can cast any spell once per round even ninth level ones.
Mindolin 03-30-07, 01:00 PM	Yeah, that's a wrong rule, but what do you want us to do about it? Offer advice? You haven't even asked a question. Sympathy? I have none, just play a sorcerer next time. Best advice is to have him read up on the rules for sorcerers and spells known.
Augurer 03-30-07, 01:00 PM	So play a Sorcerer? They sound like uber-Wizards in your DM's campaign.
Darkwolf71 03-30-07, 01:10 PM	Be sure to let us know how your all sorcerer party works out. ;)
fun2223 03-30-07, 01:20 PM	WELL... Question: How can I convince him otherwise, and get around the ITS A HOUSE RULE problem, I'm not really concerned (sp?) about the uber sorceror, im concerned about the person PLAYING the sorceror, and PS there are times when someone with the intellegence of a teletubby should NOT be able to cast [insert evocation or necromancy spell here] at will. Wail of the Banshee, I fear for my life...
trapspringer 03-30-07, 01:25 PM	multiclass. Duh. If that's how sorcerers work, why take more than one level? You'll be just like him but with more HP.
Cthulhu3125 03-30-07, 01:26 PM	I always play wizards, first time i don't, my friend plays a sorceror so we still have spells, DM says sorcerors can cast any spell once per round even ninth level ones. The standard solution involves the corner of the DMG, and its being used as a weapon.
fun2223 03-30-07, 01:30 PM	The standard solution involves the corner of the DMG, and its being used as a weapon. Thank you , I now see the light cookiecookiecookiecookiecookiecookie
Fireclave 03-30-07, 01:54 PM	http://student-iat.ubalt.edu/sde/students/tynes/oldman2.pngIt is dangerous to go against the DM alone. Take this. Do do Doo Dooooooo! http://student-iat.ubalt.edu/sde/students/tynes/hammergun.gif
_Jayne_Cobb_ 03-30-07, 01:58 PM	WELL... Question: How can I convince him otherwise Tell him to RTFM.
Azezel 03-30-07, 06:06 PM	Wow - I had to use this visual aid twice in one dayhttp://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q101/MCP1/DMG_Corners.jpg
Khoran 03-30-07, 06:40 PM	Just out of currosity, has he said it's a house rule, or is he honestly ignorant on how Sorcerer spell casting works? If it's the later, just get your PHB and politely correct him.
fun2223 03-30-07, 10:19 PM	Just out of currosity, has he said it's a house rule, or is he honestly ignorant on how Sorcerer spell casting works? If it's the later, just get your PHB and politely correct him. At first ignorant, after confronted, made it a house rule, i called tonight, convinced him to let me be a cleric and do the same!! I think ill use a scroll of [ spell that makes you warforged titan] with a permanency to break the power levels.
On_the_wings_of_TPK 03-31-07, 01:40 AM	You can do a lot better then that. Mirical comes to mind...
Geogoose 03-31-07, 01:54 AM	Be a sorceror yourself. Under his rules, AoE of Power Word: Kill will net you easy experience for many levels. You don't even need to try to break the game when you have 9th level spells from the get-go.
Despana 03-31-07, 02:20 AM	Just take 1 level of every class that allows any manner of spell casting and have every ability in the game. :rolleyes:
Salla 03-31-07, 07:59 AM	Just take 1 level of every class that allows any manner of spell casting and have every ability in the game. :rolleyes: I agree with this. One of the fastest ways to show that a house rule is a bad idea (not all are, but this one sure is) is to break it completely. Heck, he said any spell? Grab yourself an Epic Level Handbook.
StalkerEntreri 03-31-07, 08:33 AM	Yeah; do Vengeful Gaze of God on the Tarrasque; or better yet, make an epic level spell that does the same as Vengeful Gaze Of God; yet not backfire. That should break the DM's ruling and set him back to the standard
fun2223 03-31-07, 01:57 PM	LOL he will PAY muahahahahahahahahahhahahaahhahaha haha But i think ill save the epic spells for when he has us fighting god avatars. ALWAYS USES TIAMET.
Ace_of_time 04-01-07, 12:22 AM	What level is your party? Is he talking about you also get access to 9 level spells or is he talking about your PC being able to cast any spell he knows once per round? I think you should play a sorc, but not his way. Read up on sorc class and play it the way it is suppose to be play. The worst that could happen is him telling you that you have to cast 9th level spells.
green_yawgmoth 04-01-07, 01:05 AM	http://student-iat.ubalt.edu/sde/students/tynes/oldman2.pngIt is dangerous to go against the DM alone. Take this. Do do Doo Dooooooo! http://student-iat.ubalt.edu/sde/students/tynes/hammergun.gif Epic win. :cookie: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/yawgmoth/kittyjig.gif
DrMorganes 04-01-07, 01:11 AM	Epic win. Agreed. Extra points for old school video game references!
3DJutsu 04-01-07, 01:37 AM	I always play wizards, first time i don't, my friend plays a sorceror so we still have spells, DM says sorcerors can cast any spell once per round even ninth level ones. Maybe I'm missing something vital here, whats your question? Does this have something to do with Sorcerers and Metamagic or what...?
The White Sorcerer 04-01-07, 02:43 AM	Does this have something to do with Sorcerers and Metamagic or what...? No, I think it has more to do with a 1st-level sorcerer being able to cast meteor swarm on every round of combat, in every combat.
KurenaiYami 04-01-07, 03:02 AM	You also qualify for Mystic Theurge at level 2! Not that that means anything with this type of spellcasting, just throwing it out there. Oh, and tell your DM that I think he's an idiot.
Chie 04-01-07, 08:03 AM	There are some people that really should never be allowed behind the DM screen.I do believe that he qualifies.However if he is dead set on this rule of his,I suggest you have fun and start using wishes...then meteor swarms,and just sort of go down the list from there.
LivingShadow 04-01-07, 12:42 PM	What is the CL that he has you cast at? A CL 1 meteor swarm isn't quite as bad as a CL30 one but it still causes major problems.
trapspringer 04-01-07, 01:21 PM	What is the CL that he has you cast at? A CL 1 meteor swarm isn't quite as bad as a CL30 one but it still causes major problems. That's an interesting point. Most direct and area of effect damage spells scale by level. It'll look pretty, but a level one fireball is only 1d6 damage. I mean, this is still really studid 'cuz power word kill, but you know what I'm sayin'.
Daydreamer 04-01-07, 06:48 PM	Does he have favortism for this pc? if not just ask him to read the rules, the dm can choose to ignore rules-but he should know what they are first!! If this is , as you say, him not knowing the rules this is easily fixed.
fun2223 04-01-07, 07:37 PM	What is the CL that he has you cast at? A CL 1 meteor swarm isn't quite as bad as a CL30 one but it still causes major problems. CL= Character level Does he have favortism for this pc? if not just ask him to read the rules, the dm can choose to ignore rules-but he should know what they are first!! If this is , as you say, him not knowing the rules this is easily fixed. Its his brother, im his cousin, no real favoritism. What level is your party? Is he talking about you also get access to 9 level spells or is he talking about your PC being able to cast any spell he knows once per round? I think you should play a sorc, but not his way. Read up on sorc class and play it the way it is suppose to be play. The worst that could happen is him telling you that you have to cast 9th level spells. You get access to all you know or have in scroll or spellbook.
Ace_of_time 04-01-07, 10:00 PM	Then really you only get to cast off of spells you know each round and that's not really that bad. I still say to play as a sorc and use the rules that are supposed to be used and see what happens.
LivingShadow 04-02-07, 08:13 AM	You get access to all you know or have in scroll or spellbook. That make it a bit more reasonable because you won't have access to the super strong spells until fairly high levels.
Nakat 04-02-07, 01:30 PM	Sounds like you should all just play Warlocks and show the DM that that is really what he is talking about.