Do Rage, Fury, Frenzy, and Drunken Rage stack? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Do Rage, Fury, Frenzy, and Drunken Rage stack? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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chaoticprime
06-19-04, 08:49 PM I have a player that snuck up on my with stacked Rage, Fury, Frenzy, and Drunken Rage abilities from his multiple classes, all of which he lovingly met the qualifications for in game. I should have taken time to study his potential build before it ruined my game, but that is in the past.

What I want to know, is although Unnamed Bonuses always stack, is this an example of that?

There has to be some rule against such a build, cause with all those like bonuses, it's like casting all the Buff spells on yourself infinite times, and I simply cannot challenge his character without plowing over all my other characters.
allenchan
06-19-04, 08:57 PM I believe that, yes, they do all stack. But shouldnt he have an AC of like... ten, when its all said and done?
hecate
06-20-04, 03:56 AM What classes did the player who stacked these begin with, and what classes did he receive the Rage, Fury, Frenzy, and Drunken Rage from?
flyingmoose
06-20-04, 04:48 AM Well, speaking strictly 3.5, Drunken Masters don't get drunken rage anymore because it's superfluous to the drink like a demon ability. The Frenzied Berserker's frenzy is specifically stated to stack with barbarian rage (resulting in a +10 to Strength and a -6 to AC). Fury I've never heard of.

But in theory yes, all the bonuses should stack, but so should the penalties. He should be easier to hit than the ground by this point, so flying mages and archers would be his bane.
Also, part of the problem with frenzy is that if you run out of targets, you have to either keep attacking whoever's nearby (i.e. your party) or make a DC 20 Will save to snap out of it.

You can always smack him with so much strength damage he needs to rage to get out of bed.
allenchan
06-20-04, 04:50 AM Barbarian - Rage
Drunken Master (S&F, not the CW one) - Drunken Rage
Frenzied Berserker (CW, MofW)- Frenzy
Beserker (dieties and demigods) - Fury
... in any case, depending on how many levels they have left, they could also take the Hordebreaker PrC, which gives bonuses similiar to the dwarven defender's Defensive Stance, to stack even more str and con on :D
hecate
06-20-04, 02:41 PM Originally posted by allenchan
Barbarian - Rage
Drunken Master (S&F, not the CW one) - Drunken Rage
Frenzied Berserker (CW, MofW)- Frenzy
Beserker (dieties and demigods) - Fury

You are mixing a lot of 3.0 and 3.5 material. I think this is a dangerous idea; however, as FlyingMongoose has already stated, yes, these should stack (but so does the penalty). Rage and Frenzy stack. It looks as though the Battle Fury (form Deities and Demigods) does stack with Rage, but, like Frenzy, you will be trying to avoid striking allies. In fact, as FlyingMongoose stated, you will be doubly screwed: you will have to make two Will saves per round to avoid wounding allies. Interestingly, Drunken Rage is up for a little debate: it does not state expressly that it is a Barbarian Rage, but it does state, "You can rage just as a barbarian does..." This could be argued to be stacking the same bonus twice.
Draco_Whitewind
06-21-04, 07:23 AM actually, all that material is available in 3.0, and probably what he is using right now. but indeed, you're limited, and dangerous as hell to be close to.
~Draco
dantedarkstar
06-21-04, 10:36 AM Hmm... I think I'll be houseruling any such bonuses to be morale bonuses (I just hate unnamed bonuses, which are basically "pile it up" type).
This way = no prob, but you have to know it ahead of time.
flyingmoose
06-21-04, 11:35 AM Originally posted by hecate
...however, as FlyingMongoose has already stated...
...um... Should I be offended by this?
Carkni
06-21-04, 02:18 PM What I do for Berserking/Furied/etc. characters is that I let them know the where their HP stands, and then the damage they take is all secretive. This makes the player more cautious, so they don't know exactly how hard to push.

What you should do is use long range guys, and pump him full of arrows/magic missiles. They'll hurt like hell, but he won't know it. At the end of the rage, he should collapse. If not, he'll see how close to death he was. If they have the Endurance Feat, then this doesn't really work.
hecate
06-21-04, 02:41 PM Originally posted by flyingmoose
...um... Should I be offended by this?

Oops! I apologize profusely! I seriously did not mean any disrespect by the mistype at all. Truth be told, I had no idea I had typed mongoose, and am not rea sure why I did. However, no, there was no malevolence or disrespect implied.

Sorry, again!
HatTrick
06-21-04, 03:12 PM Originally posted by flyingmoose
You can always smack him with so much strength damage he needs to rage to get out of bed.

:rofl:
I don't know why I find that line so funny, but I do. Every time I think about it I come near to crying. I just picture this 90 yr old human barbarian flying into a fury and attempting to crawl out of his sheets. hahaha

I'm gonna toss that in my sig unless you mind :)
trapspringer
06-21-04, 05:10 PM Yea, good stuff.
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht
06-21-04, 06:16 PM The Berserk's Fury is specifically stated to not stack with the Rage ability, IIRC.
Moonstonedragon
06-21-04, 09:57 PM Just so I know how is it he has all these
Just feats alone for drunk master/frenzied berserk

Great fort, dodge, cleave, detructive rage, power attack, intimidating rage (we know he aint fighter so thats alot of levels, 12th level if human)

and need evasion and rage

Fury(i dont have the book for this, is it class or PrC?)

so for evasion he would have to have level in rogue (cant be monk since hes certainly chaotic)

What level is he and I bet his reflex and will save must suck big time, just throw alot of those at him
chaoticprime
06-22-04, 02:27 PM Well, the game is Gestalt, so his feats and skills are up there considerably. I found my player not to be performing his required Will saves, as well as ignoring his -2 HP Subdual a round as a result of Frenzy. Thank you for debating all this for me.

Fury has to be entered as a standard action, so he was cheating there. Drunken Master has to spend a round drinking prior to his frenzy, he was also cheating there as well. I went ahead and Deus ex'd his ass, and he's talking about havning the RPGa overturn my decision...*sigh* That, I would really like to see.
KangTheCallipygian
06-22-04, 03:31 PM Please forgive my off-topic post - I'll try to keep it brief - but what exactly is wrong with mongeese anyhow?
Those things kill cobras, man. COBRAS!!! Can a moose say that? :)

Kang
Nick Soapdish
06-22-04, 08:06 PM Exactly. Mongeese :rollseyes: kill these poor, inoffensive cobras. You would never see a moose stoop to hunting down a cobra to kill it.;) :D

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
chaoticprime 06-19-04, 08:49 PM	I have a player that snuck up on my with stacked Rage, Fury, Frenzy, and Drunken Rage abilities from his multiple classes, all of which he lovingly met the qualifications for in game. I should have taken time to study his potential build before it ruined my game, but that is in the past. What I want to know, is although Unnamed Bonuses always stack, is this an example of that? There has to be some rule against such a build, cause with all those like bonuses, it's like casting all the Buff spells on yourself infinite times, and I simply cannot challenge his character without plowing over all my other characters.
allenchan 06-19-04, 08:57 PM	I believe that, yes, they do all stack. But shouldnt he have an AC of like... ten, when its all said and done?
hecate 06-20-04, 03:56 AM	What classes did the player who stacked these begin with, and what classes did he receive the Rage, Fury, Frenzy, and Drunken Rage from?
flyingmoose 06-20-04, 04:48 AM	Well, speaking strictly 3.5, Drunken Masters don't get drunken rage anymore because it's superfluous to the drink like a demon ability. The Frenzied Berserker's frenzy is specifically stated to stack with barbarian rage (resulting in a +10 to Strength and a -6 to AC). Fury I've never heard of. But in theory yes, all the bonuses should stack, but so should the penalties. He should be easier to hit than the ground by this point, so flying mages and archers would be his bane. Also, part of the problem with frenzy is that if you run out of targets, you have to either keep attacking whoever's nearby (i.e. your party) or make a DC 20 Will save to snap out of it. You can always smack him with so much strength damage he needs to rage to get out of bed.
allenchan 06-20-04, 04:50 AM	Barbarian - Rage Drunken Master (S&F, not the CW one) - Drunken Rage Frenzied Berserker (CW, MofW)- Frenzy Beserker (dieties and demigods) - Fury ... in any case, depending on how many levels they have left, they could also take the Hordebreaker PrC, which gives bonuses similiar to the dwarven defender's Defensive Stance, to stack even more str and con on :D
hecate 06-20-04, 02:41 PM	Originally posted by allenchan Barbarian - Rage Drunken Master (S&F, not the CW one) - Drunken Rage Frenzied Berserker (CW, MofW)- Frenzy Beserker (dieties and demigods) - Fury You are mixing a lot of 3.0 and 3.5 material. I think this is a dangerous idea; however, as FlyingMongoose has already stated, yes, these should stack (but so does the penalty). Rage and Frenzy stack. It looks as though the Battle Fury (form Deities and Demigods) does stack with Rage, but, like Frenzy, you will be trying to avoid striking allies. In fact, as FlyingMongoose stated, you will be doubly screwed: you will have to make two Will saves per round to avoid wounding allies. Interestingly, Drunken Rage is up for a little debate: it does not state expressly that it is a Barbarian Rage, but it does state, "You can rage just as a barbarian does..." This could be argued to be stacking the same bonus twice.
Draco_Whitewind 06-21-04, 07:23 AM	actually, all that material is available in 3.0, and probably what he is using right now. but indeed, you're limited, and dangerous as hell to be close to. ~Draco
dantedarkstar 06-21-04, 10:36 AM	Hmm... I think I'll be houseruling any such bonuses to be morale bonuses (I just hate unnamed bonuses, which are basically "pile it up" type). This way = no prob, but you have to know it ahead of time.
flyingmoose 06-21-04, 11:35 AM	Originally posted by hecate ...however, as FlyingMongoose has already stated... ...um... Should I be offended by this?
Carkni 06-21-04, 02:18 PM	What I do for Berserking/Furied/etc. characters is that I let them know the where their HP stands, and then the damage they take is all secretive. This makes the player more cautious, so they don't know exactly how hard to push. What you should do is use long range guys, and pump him full of arrows/magic missiles. They'll hurt like hell, but he won't know it. At the end of the rage, he should collapse. If not, he'll see how close to death he was. If they have the Endurance Feat, then this doesn't really work.
hecate 06-21-04, 02:41 PM	Originally posted by flyingmoose ...um... Should I be offended by this? Oops! I apologize profusely! I seriously did not mean any disrespect by the mistype at all. Truth be told, I had no idea I had typed mongoose, and am not rea sure why I did. However, no, there was no malevolence or disrespect implied. Sorry, again!
HatTrick 06-21-04, 03:12 PM	Originally posted by flyingmoose You can always smack him with so much strength damage he needs to rage to get out of bed. :rofl: I don't know why I find that line so funny, but I do. Every time I think about it I come near to crying. I just picture this 90 yr old human barbarian flying into a fury and attempting to crawl out of his sheets. hahaha I'm gonna toss that in my sig unless you mind :)
trapspringer 06-21-04, 05:10 PM	Yea, good stuff.
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 06-21-04, 06:16 PM	The Berserk's Fury is specifically stated to not stack with the Rage ability, IIRC.
Moonstonedragon 06-21-04, 09:57 PM	Just so I know how is it he has all these Just feats alone for drunk master/frenzied berserk Great fort, dodge, cleave, detructive rage, power attack, intimidating rage (we know he aint fighter so thats alot of levels, 12th level if human) and need evasion and rage Fury(i dont have the book for this, is it class or PrC?) so for evasion he would have to have level in rogue (cant be monk since hes certainly chaotic) What level is he and I bet his reflex and will save must suck big time, just throw alot of those at him
chaoticprime 06-22-04, 02:27 PM	Well, the game is Gestalt, so his feats and skills are up there considerably. I found my player not to be performing his required Will saves, as well as ignoring his -2 HP Subdual a round as a result of Frenzy. Thank you for debating all this for me. Fury has to be entered as a standard action, so he was cheating there. Drunken Master has to spend a round drinking prior to his frenzy, he was also cheating there as well. I went ahead and Deus ex'd his ass, and he's talking about havning the RPGa overturn my decision...sigh That, I would really like to see.
KangTheCallipygian 06-22-04, 03:31 PM	Please forgive my off-topic post - I'll try to keep it brief - but what exactly is wrong with mongeese anyhow? Those things kill cobras, man. COBRAS!!! Can a moose say that? :) Kang
Nick Soapdish 06-22-04, 08:06 PM	Exactly. Mongeese :rollseyes: kill these poor, inoffensive cobras. You would never see a moose stoop to hunting down a cobra to kill it.;) :D