dual class palidin and cleric [Archive] - Wizards Community

dual class palidin and cleric [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Tumbleunder
06-11-04, 12:22 PM my DM seems open to the idea since dual classing would not require him to leave his palidin faith. (and because of the simple fact that it defies all common sense that a paladin could not take levels in cleric) But he says that dual classing in 3 and 3.5 is broken. does anyone know any good alternant rules on this.

My charecter consept depends strongly on being a cleric paladin the original plan was to do the optional dual class at first level (or whatever they call it where you are like a half level of each) then just alternate going up but sinse this appears to be illeagal I'm looking for alternatives.

thank you
Beamup
06-11-04, 12:28 PM Originally posted by Tumbleunder
my DM seems open to the idea since dual classing would not require him to leave his palidin faith. (and because of the simple fact that it defies all common sense that a paladin could not take levels in cleric) But he says that dual classing in 3 and 3.5 is broken. does anyone know any good alternant rules on this.

First off, I would inquire exactly why he thinks 3e multiclassing is broken. Then I would inquire what rules he's intending on using - do you really have to take 20 levels in the same core class?

Basically, if the DM is bound and determined to forbid multiclassing, there's nothing you can do about it. But there's no good reason to do that.
detectevil
06-11-04, 01:16 PM The dual-classing house rules presented nowhere work like this:

Select two classes that are not conflictant in alignement. Calculate the class statistics as follows:

HD: The dual class HD is the average HD of the two classes. If there is no HD between the HD of the two classes, the dual class uses the lowest HD. (A Figher/Rogue would roll d8. A Cleric/Fighter would roll d8 )

BAB: If one of the classes uses a Medium BAB progression, disconsider that class and use the other class' BAB. If both are medium, than use medium.

Saving Throws: If both classes have a high saving throw, the dual-class uses that saving throw as high. If the two classes don't share any saving throw high, but each has only one high saving throw, use both saving throws as high. If one of the classes has more than one high saving throw, use the saving throws of that class.

Skill points: Average of the two classes. If the resulting number is odd, round it down.

Class skills: The dual-class has a number of class skills equal to the half the total number of class skills of the two classes. Select that number of skills from both classes class skill list to be the dual-class' class skills.

Special Abilities: The dual classed character receives the benefit of the first level in one of the classes selected. He receives the benefits of 1st level of the second class at 2nd level. At 3rd level, he receives the benefit of the second level in the first class, and at 4th level the benefits of second level in the second class. And so on, until he reaches 20th level, and is treated as if he had 10 levels in each class.

Spell Casting: The dual classed caster level equal his class level. However, he gains only half the number of spell known and per day as a pure member of that class, rounded down. For example, a 6th level Cleric/Sorcerer can cast 2 0th level cleric spells, 1+d 1st level spells 1+d 2nd level cleric spells, 0+d 3rd level cleric spells, 3 0th level sorcerer spells, 3 1st level spells 2 2nd level sorcerer spells and 1 3rd level sorcerer spells, but knows as many spells as a 6th level sorcerer. The clerics domain spell is included before dividing the total of spells, and them subtracted from the result.
Tumbleunder
06-11-04, 01:30 PM sorry should have made myself more clear he is ok with multi-classing as it is in the phb. The problem comes in under the palidin class it aparently says that if you take levels in any other class you can never go back to the palidin class.

What I was refering too were the 2nd edition rules where you would acctually go up as two classes at the same time I think this was called dual classing. He says that there are optional rules for doing this in 3rd ed but that they are broken. So I was looking for something not broken, so I could be my palidin/cleric. I was thinking something that allowed me to go up a half level of both each time, or getting double the experiance and going up a level as both. But I'm not sure if there are rules out there for that.

The thing with my DM is if I can find it in writing he will probably allow it (he is very by the book) but if not he will not really try to work with me on it.
Tumbleunder
06-11-04, 01:36 PM Wow, we must have been typing at the same time. thank you I am trying to figure out how all this would work now. :)
Beamup
06-11-04, 01:57 PM Urg. I don't suggest using those rules. Just alternate levels of Cleric and Paladin if the DM's OK with that (sounds like he is). It's not uncommon to bend the rules a bit if a character concept requires it. (What he was probably referring to as broken is the concept of gestalt characters.)
TheRedRobedWizard
06-11-04, 02:39 PM How's about taking two levels of Paladin (so you get Lay on Hands and Divine Grace) then take the rest as Cleric.

You're a Paladin / Cleric then, plus you get better spells in the long run AND you don't have to worry about the multiclass crap.

-TRRW
MrkGrismer
06-11-04, 02:56 PM There are actually official rules that allow you to multiclass back and forth freely between Paladin and Cleric. I believe they are either in Complete Divine or one of the Faerun books (diety specific).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Tumbleunder 06-11-04, 12:22 PM	my DM seems open to the idea since dual classing would not require him to leave his palidin faith. (and because of the simple fact that it defies all common sense that a paladin could not take levels in cleric) But he says that dual classing in 3 and 3.5 is broken. does anyone know any good alternant rules on this. My charecter consept depends strongly on being a cleric paladin the original plan was to do the optional dual class at first level (or whatever they call it where you are like a half level of each) then just alternate going up but sinse this appears to be illeagal I'm looking for alternatives. thank you
Beamup 06-11-04, 12:28 PM	Originally posted by Tumbleunder my DM seems open to the idea since dual classing would not require him to leave his palidin faith. (and because of the simple fact that it defies all common sense that a paladin could not take levels in cleric) But he says that dual classing in 3 and 3.5 is broken. does anyone know any good alternant rules on this. First off, I would inquire exactly why he thinks 3e multiclassing is broken. Then I would inquire what rules he's intending on using - do you really have to take 20 levels in the same core class? Basically, if the DM is bound and determined to forbid multiclassing, there's nothing you can do about it. But there's no good reason to do that.
detectevil 06-11-04, 01:16 PM	The dual-classing house rules presented nowhere work like this: Select two classes that are not conflictant in alignement. Calculate the class statistics as follows: HD: The dual class HD is the average HD of the two classes. If there is no HD between the HD of the two classes, the dual class uses the lowest HD. (A Figher/Rogue would roll d8. A Cleric/Fighter would roll d8 ) BAB: If one of the classes uses a Medium BAB progression, disconsider that class and use the other class' BAB. If both are medium, than use medium. Saving Throws: If both classes have a high saving throw, the dual-class uses that saving throw as high. If the two classes don't share any saving throw high, but each has only one high saving throw, use both saving throws as high. If one of the classes has more than one high saving throw, use the saving throws of that class. Skill points: Average of the two classes. If the resulting number is odd, round it down. Class skills: The dual-class has a number of class skills equal to the half the total number of class skills of the two classes. Select that number of skills from both classes class skill list to be the dual-class' class skills. Special Abilities: The dual classed character receives the benefit of the first level in one of the classes selected. He receives the benefits of 1st level of the second class at 2nd level. At 3rd level, he receives the benefit of the second level in the first class, and at 4th level the benefits of second level in the second class. And so on, until he reaches 20th level, and is treated as if he had 10 levels in each class. Spell Casting: The dual classed caster level equal his class level. However, he gains only half the number of spell known and per day as a pure member of that class, rounded down. For example, a 6th level Cleric/Sorcerer can cast 2 0th level cleric spells, 1+d 1st level spells 1+d 2nd level cleric spells, 0+d 3rd level cleric spells, 3 0th level sorcerer spells, 3 1st level spells 2 2nd level sorcerer spells and 1 3rd level sorcerer spells, but knows as many spells as a 6th level sorcerer. The clerics domain spell is included before dividing the total of spells, and them subtracted from the result.
Tumbleunder 06-11-04, 01:30 PM	sorry should have made myself more clear he is ok with multi-classing as it is in the phb. The problem comes in under the palidin class it aparently says that if you take levels in any other class you can never go back to the palidin class. What I was refering too were the 2nd edition rules where you would acctually go up as two classes at the same time I think this was called dual classing. He says that there are optional rules for doing this in 3rd ed but that they are broken. So I was looking for something not broken, so I could be my palidin/cleric. I was thinking something that allowed me to go up a half level of both each time, or getting double the experiance and going up a level as both. But I'm not sure if there are rules out there for that. The thing with my DM is if I can find it in writing he will probably allow it (he is very by the book) but if not he will not really try to work with me on it.
Tumbleunder 06-11-04, 01:36 PM	Wow, we must have been typing at the same time. thank you I am trying to figure out how all this would work now. :)
Beamup 06-11-04, 01:57 PM	Urg. I don't suggest using those rules. Just alternate levels of Cleric and Paladin if the DM's OK with that (sounds like he is). It's not uncommon to bend the rules a bit if a character concept requires it. (What he was probably referring to as broken is the concept of gestalt characters.)
TheRedRobedWizard 06-11-04, 02:39 PM	How's about taking two levels of Paladin (so you get Lay on Hands and Divine Grace) then take the rest as Cleric. You're a Paladin / Cleric then, plus you get better spells in the long run AND you don't have to worry about the multiclass crap. -TRRW
MrkGrismer 06-11-04, 02:56 PM	There are actually official rules that allow you to multiclass back and forth freely between Paladin and Cleric. I believe they are either in Complete Divine or one of the Faerun books (diety specific).