Duskblade Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

Duskblade Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

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flash_cxxi
12-11-06, 05:49 AM I have a question about the Duskblade Class. :confused:
In the Class Features section it says that Duskblades are proficient with all Martial Weapons (so obviously this just means they have the [Martial Weapon Proficiency] feat). It mentions nothing about Simple Weapons however. Is this correct? I find it hard to believe that a class can be proficient with all these different forms of weapons, but not know how to use a simple dagger? I assume this is a typo and they are actually Proficient with Simple Weapons as well but I just want some confirmation.
nastynate
12-11-06, 08:21 AM Common concensus is that this is in fact a typo. It is safe to assume that since duskblades can use martial weapons proficiently, they are also able to use simple weapons like the dagger and club equally well; some sticklers for the RAW have argued contrary to this position, but they seem to be in the minority.

-Peace-

P.S. duskblades need quite a few things addressed in the FAQ, and a little bit of errata, but don't hold your breath on seeing it anytime soon; WotC hasn't issued any new errata in eons.
M_Tigersoul
12-11-06, 09:39 AM Don't take this the wrong way if you're playing as one, but I think that the Duskblade class is completely *broken*. One of the guys in my group is playing as a Dwarf Duskblade, and can basically destroy everything in our path...maybe he just plays the class well? IDK. I can't say, I've never seen anyone else play a duskblade.
Musco
12-11-06, 11:11 AM Don't take this the wrong way if you're playing as one, but I think that the Duskblade class is completely *broken*. One of the guys in my group is playing as a Dwarf Duskblade, and can basically destroy everything in our path...maybe he just plays the class well? IDK. I can't say, I've never seen anyone else play a duskblade.

I agree, I think there power is a little high in the lower levels. Example, here is a quite simple boss killer for a level 3!!! Duskblade

Round 1: Cast True Strike, move toward enemy.

Round 2: Cast Enhanced Blade of Blood (+3d6 dmg) (swift) - Cast channeled Shocking Grasp (+3d6) Attack (lets say greatsword?

Due to true strike its about a guaranteed hit, then you have +6d6 from spells +2d6 from weapon . . .

8d6 of damage in 2 rounds? Worse yet you could do it in one if your confident in not using true strike.

Rogues cant accomplish that kind of 1 turn damage

Still they are low on spells/day, and they also lose power at higher levels.

I like them but i think they are a little bit much
Salla
12-11-06, 11:50 AM I agree, I think there power is a little high in the lower levels. Example, here is a quite simple boss killer for a level 3!!! Duskblade

Round 1: Cast True Strike, move toward enemy.

Round 2: Cast Enhanced Blade of Blood (+3d6 dmg) (swift) - Cast channeled Shocking Grasp (+3d6) Attack (lets say greatsword?

Due to true strike its about a guaranteed hit, then you have +6d6 from spells +2d6 from weapon . . .

8d6 of damage in 2 rounds? Worse yet you could do it in one if your confident in not using true strike.

Rogues cant accomplish that kind of 1 turn damage

Still they are low on spells/day, and they also lose power at higher levels.

I like them but i think they are a little bit much

They can dish out a lot of damage, but that's not what makes spellcasters dangerous. They don't have Dispel Magic or, IIRC, any save-or-dies, or divinations, or debuffs ... they're basically the melee version of a Warmage; they do a lot of damage, but that's about all.
nastynate
12-11-06, 11:51 AM Please people, the OP didn't ask for opinions on the power level of the duskblade, just some clarification on an error that was omitted from the weapon proficiencies.

No need to turn this into an X class is over/underpowered thread. If that was a concern, he would have stated so.
Elemental_Elf
12-11-06, 01:24 PM I have a question as well, no use making a new thread for it. Where are the 0-level spell list located for the Duskblade. I haven't looked into it much but back in the spell chapter the Duskblade's spell list starts off at 1st, not 0-level.

As for the OP's question IMO if you're proficient with Martial weapons, how could you not be with simple weapons? I mean if you know how to use a Halberd and a greatsword, than you should know how to poke some one with a Spear.
Musco
12-11-06, 01:30 PM As many people have stated, if you can wield a great sword, logically you can wield a staff, or a dagger with no problem. IMO

The full duskblade spell list is on page 24, right after the example duskblades.
Elemental_Elf
12-11-06, 01:34 PM As many people have stated, if you can wield a great sword, logically you can wield a staff, or a dagger with no problem. IMO

The full duskblade spell list is on page 24, right after the example duskblades.

:eek: HA! I must have been BLIND not to have seen that! :eek: Thank you! :dancin:
Jenos_Idanian
12-16-06, 01:36 PM :eek: HA! I must have been BLIND not to have seen that! :eek: Thank you! :dancin:

Don't feel bad as far as i can tell aproximately 1/5th of all people who want to play duskblades miss the spell list on page 24.
pres_man
12-16-06, 03:50 PM I assume this is a typo and they are actually Proficient with Simple Weapons as well but I just want some confirmation.
If you want a semi-official ruling check out this article:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/cwc/20060905a
Good Weapon Selection: Duskblades are proficient with all simple and martial weapons, which gives them access to some of the best weapons in the game. You have plenty of combat options when your spells fail or when you feel the need to conserve your spells.
Tempest Stormwind
12-16-06, 07:49 PM If you want a semi-official ruling check out this article:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/cwc/20060905a

The same one that said the Divine Mind had a full base attack bonus when it's clearly 3/4?

Customer Service on the duskblade has said the same thing, though -- It's got Simple Weapon Proficiency. So in this case, Skip was right.
pres_man
12-17-06, 12:07 AM The same one that said the Divine Mind had a full base attack bonus when it's clearly 3/4?

Customer Service on the duskblade has said the same thing, though -- It's got Simple Weapon Proficiency. So in this case, Skip was right.
Maybe they fixed it but this is what I found for Divine Mind.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/cwc/20060918
Good Attack Bonus: The divine mind's base attack bonus is 3/4 per level. When divine minds attack, they can expect to hit.
Though, yeah they sometimes make mistakes that is why I said "semi-official".
Tempest Stormwind
12-17-06, 01:25 AM Maybe they fixed it but this is what I found for Divine Mind.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/cwc/20060918

Though, yeah they sometimes make mistakes that is why I said "semi-official".

Note that the phrasing is essentially identical to his article on paladins and other +1/level fighters, and different from all of his other 3/4 level descriptions. That sentence shows clearly that the only change was from a "+1" to "3/4".

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
flash_cxxi 12-11-06, 05:49 AM	I have a question about the Duskblade Class. :confused: In the Class Features section it says that Duskblades are proficient with all Martial Weapons (so obviously this just means they have the [Martial Weapon Proficiency] feat). It mentions nothing about Simple Weapons however. Is this correct? I find it hard to believe that a class can be proficient with all these different forms of weapons, but not know how to use a simple dagger? I assume this is a typo and they are actually Proficient with Simple Weapons as well but I just want some confirmation.
nastynate 12-11-06, 08:21 AM	Common concensus is that this is in fact a typo. It is safe to assume that since duskblades can use martial weapons proficiently, they are also able to use simple weapons like the dagger and club equally well; some sticklers for the RAW have argued contrary to this position, but they seem to be in the minority. -Peace- P.S. duskblades need quite a few things addressed in the FAQ, and a little bit of errata, but don't hold your breath on seeing it anytime soon; WotC hasn't issued any new errata in eons.
M_Tigersoul 12-11-06, 09:39 AM	Don't take this the wrong way if you're playing as one, but I think that the Duskblade class is completely broken. One of the guys in my group is playing as a Dwarf Duskblade, and can basically destroy everything in our path...maybe he just plays the class well? IDK. I can't say, I've never seen anyone else play a duskblade.
Musco 12-11-06, 11:11 AM	Don't take this the wrong way if you're playing as one, but I think that the Duskblade class is completely broken. One of the guys in my group is playing as a Dwarf Duskblade, and can basically destroy everything in our path...maybe he just plays the class well? IDK. I can't say, I've never seen anyone else play a duskblade. I agree, I think there power is a little high in the lower levels. Example, here is a quite simple boss killer for a level 3!!! Duskblade Round 1: Cast True Strike, move toward enemy. Round 2: Cast Enhanced Blade of Blood (+3d6 dmg) (swift) - Cast channeled Shocking Grasp (+3d6) Attack (lets say greatsword? Due to true strike its about a guaranteed hit, then you have +6d6 from spells +2d6 from weapon . . . 8d6 of damage in 2 rounds? Worse yet you could do it in one if your confident in not using true strike. Rogues cant accomplish that kind of 1 turn damage Still they are low on spells/day, and they also lose power at higher levels. I like them but i think they are a little bit much
Salla 12-11-06, 11:50 AM	I agree, I think there power is a little high in the lower levels. Example, here is a quite simple boss killer for a level 3!!! Duskblade Round 1: Cast True Strike, move toward enemy. Round 2: Cast Enhanced Blade of Blood (+3d6 dmg) (swift) - Cast channeled Shocking Grasp (+3d6) Attack (lets say greatsword? Due to true strike its about a guaranteed hit, then you have +6d6 from spells +2d6 from weapon . . . 8d6 of damage in 2 rounds? Worse yet you could do it in one if your confident in not using true strike. Rogues cant accomplish that kind of 1 turn damage Still they are low on spells/day, and they also lose power at higher levels. I like them but i think they are a little bit much They can dish out a lot of damage, but that's not what makes spellcasters dangerous. They don't have Dispel Magic or, IIRC, any save-or-dies, or divinations, or debuffs ... they're basically the melee version of a Warmage; they do a lot of damage, but that's about all.
nastynate 12-11-06, 11:51 AM	Please people, the OP didn't ask for opinions on the power level of the duskblade, just some clarification on an error that was omitted from the weapon proficiencies. No need to turn this into an X class is over/underpowered thread. If that was a concern, he would have stated so.
Elemental_Elf 12-11-06, 01:24 PM	I have a question as well, no use making a new thread for it. Where are the 0-level spell list located for the Duskblade. I haven't looked into it much but back in the spell chapter the Duskblade's spell list starts off at 1st, not 0-level. As for the OP's question IMO if you're proficient with Martial weapons, how could you not be with simple weapons? I mean if you know how to use a Halberd and a greatsword, than you should know how to poke some one with a Spear.
Musco 12-11-06, 01:30 PM	As many people have stated, if you can wield a great sword, logically you can wield a staff, or a dagger with no problem. IMO The full duskblade spell list is on page 24, right after the example duskblades.
Elemental_Elf 12-11-06, 01:34 PM	As many people have stated, if you can wield a great sword, logically you can wield a staff, or a dagger with no problem. IMO The full duskblade spell list is on page 24, right after the example duskblades. :eek: HA! I must have been BLIND not to have seen that! :eek: Thank you! :dancin:
Jenos_Idanian 12-16-06, 01:36 PM	:eek: HA! I must have been BLIND not to have seen that! :eek: Thank you! :dancin: Don't feel bad as far as i can tell aproximately 1/5th of all people who want to play duskblades miss the spell list on page 24.
pres_man 12-16-06, 03:50 PM	I assume this is a typo and they are actually Proficient with Simple Weapons as well but I just want some confirmation. If you want a semi-official ruling check out this article: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/cwc/20060905a Good Weapon Selection: Duskblades are proficient with all simple and martial weapons, which gives them access to some of the best weapons in the game. You have plenty of combat options when your spells fail or when you feel the need to conserve your spells.
Tempest Stormwind 12-16-06, 07:49 PM	If you want a semi-official ruling check out this article: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/cwc/20060905a The same one that said the Divine Mind had a full base attack bonus when it's clearly 3/4? Customer Service on the duskblade has said the same thing, though -- It's got Simple Weapon Proficiency. So in this case, Skip was right.
pres_man 12-17-06, 12:07 AM	The same one that said the Divine Mind had a full base attack bonus when it's clearly 3/4? Customer Service on the duskblade has said the same thing, though -- It's got Simple Weapon Proficiency. So in this case, Skip was right. Maybe they fixed it but this is what I found for Divine Mind. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/cwc/20060918 Good Attack Bonus: The divine mind's base attack bonus is 3/4 per level. When divine minds attack, they can expect to hit. Though, yeah they sometimes make mistakes that is why I said "semi-official".
Tempest Stormwind 12-17-06, 01:25 AM	Maybe they fixed it but this is what I found for Divine Mind. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/cwc/20060918 Though, yeah they sometimes make mistakes that is why I said "semi-official". Note that the phrasing is essentially identical to his article on paladins and other +1/level fighters, and different from all of his other 3/4 level descriptions. That sentence shows clearly that the only change was from a "+1" to "3/4".