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| leavemealonefrank07-13-05, 03:23 PM | My friend and I have just had a session where I was locked in an empty store room. When I had eaten all my food all that was left were a couple of dead kobolds. The question arose is it ok to eat monsters? If so, what are the restrictions, if any? We decided to allow it this once until we could find out properly, but we would like to know for next time. Danke Schon in advance. |
| KoboldSlayer07-13-05, 03:28 PM | Well, sure. Why can't you? Of course, it depends on your alignment (and your character's taste) whether you would find it too repulsive. A kobold is an intelligent creature. It's not QUITE like eating a human...but it's the next worst thing. A good character would probably shy away from that until he got REALLY hungry. An evil character might not give it a second thought. A monstrous character that is primarily a carnivore (a half-dragon, an orc) would be much more likely to eat a sentient creature. Eating raw meat, unless your character is designed to do so, should be a risky business (and gross) no matter what animal it is. A days-dead kobold is probably disease-ridden, and you are talking about a Fort roll to avoid food poisoning, very likely. Same thing if it was a days-dead cow, even though you would normally eat beef. As far as "is it okay to eat monsters": Technically, a deer (venison) or a cow (beef) is a "monster" by the rules, so unless you are a vegetarian, then sure it's okay! But you might want to be selective about WHAT monsters you eat and what state of done-ness you prefer (for health and palate). |
| Andrew_98007-13-05, 04:10 PM | humans can actually eat raw meat without a problem if they do so frequently enough to build up a tolerance for the bacteria in the meat |
| Malibu Trojan07-13-05, 04:23 PM | humans can actually eat raw meat without a problem if they do so frequently enough to build up a tolerance for the bacteria in the meat Sushi~! Iidesune. Fortitude saving throws would definitely be in order for eating raw or old meat. |
| Radijs07-13-05, 04:24 PM | Yea but how long has that character been there? What temperature is it? Has the meat begun to spoil or rot? It might warrant a fortitude save or the character will contract an illness from eating the meat. |
| Flushmaster07-13-05, 04:42 PM | There's nothing to prevent a character from eating fallen foes. Heck, if you're really hungry maybe even fallen comrades (Donner Party, anyone?). There's also nothing to say it still isn't gross. Now I think kobolds are cool and all, but I'm not sure they'd taste very good. Then there's also that old meat thing... |
| KoboldSlayer07-13-05, 04:43 PM | humans can actually eat raw meat without a problem if they do so frequently enough to build up a tolerance for the bacteria in the meat Ugh...on trying long enough to get that tolerance! I doubt it would apply, though, if the meat has been there very long. (He had time to eat all the other stores before moving on to the kobold, after all.) And the more I think about it, the more you'd have to be REALLY hungry to eat a sentient humanoid, especially if it's been locked up with you smelling more and more rank. There are stories of people eating their own companions when they were snowed in and that was the only source of food, but snowed in kindof implies frozen, not ripe. |
| KoboldSlayer07-13-05, 04:45 PM | There's also nothing to say it still isn't gross. Now I think kobolds are cool and all, but I'm not sure they'd taste very good. Then there's also that old meat thing... I imagine kobolds taste alot like chicken! They're reptilian, and by all accounts rattlesnake tastes like chicken... |
| leavemealonefrank07-13-05, 05:33 PM | Just to clear up a few things about the situation to make it a little easier to work out (I was a bit vague on the details). The storeroom had already been cleared before we got there, and it hadn't contained food previously anyway. We had enough water for a while but had used all our rations. All that was left was a couple of dead kobolds we had killed a day earlier. There were four people stuck in the room, one of which was expending energy quite quickly trying to break through the massive iron doors that barred our exit. Another member (a friendly NPC) had been beaten and locked up and needed sustenance. On a side note, would eating another humanoid in this way go against character alignment? (we are all chaotic neutral, not sure what the npc is, seems good anyway). |
| Mordmorgan the Mad07-13-05, 06:17 PM | I can't say I'd eat a kobold :yuck: . A dragon, maybe, but I'd gnaw my own arm off before putting kobold in m stomach. There's no telling where those little cockroaches have been. Ick. |
| Koga:The ninja trick07-13-05, 07:37 PM | Intelligent creatures may as well be considerd cannibalism. Not that The Koga sees cannibalism as all that bad. (Assuming you didn't murder the person in question or they agreed to it..) But that's just how it is.. Sub-Par intelligence like umm.. a gorilla? Is like 1/2 cannibalism lol.. Then most other things is good game. You know you want to try some of The Koga's low-carb pudding lol! About the raw meat thing, it's true. The Koga's eaten raw sasauge before, that's when it's the best yo.. |
| Evil Glowstick07-13-05, 08:19 PM | If your CN then I would say there is no alignment change.You do what it takes to survive. Even if you were good I don't think it would be any change. You don't have to be evil to want to survive.It is just a matter of char preffs. I would not really consider it cannabalism just because of the fact they are reptiles. Personally I would not eat them for as long as possable but when it came to it I would finnaly do what must be done.Again it comes to what the char would do. As for the Fort save I would pick a sickness that fits the situation. Roll for the % chance that the body has been tainted and raise the chance by each day(and raise them if its all hot and muggy and stuff...).Still make them roll a Fort even if the kobold is clean(just the keep them on there toes). |
| Wedge_Hammersteel07-13-05, 08:48 PM | I used to put a piece of troll in my pack. By supper time it was roast size. I'd eat all but a little bit and put that bit in my pack. It would be roast size by next supper. |
| ^Graff_EpsilonIX07-13-05, 08:53 PM | why would you not be able to eat a monster? It's the same question as not being able to roleplay. |
| Reivas Genocai07-13-05, 09:07 PM | A character that I once had actully became a cannibal, it was kind of for comedic releif, but anyway, he died in a jail cell, quite painfully I might add :D Then again this character would probably laugh at how "watered down" the Book of Vile Darkness is. He died because of personal reasons. I would say that certian non-magical creatures would be able to be eaten, but I would say that it would test someone's stomach if they had to eat a magical creature, like a mind flayer, I would also say that if you use the Taint system from Unearthed Arcana, those people/monsters would be hard to eat, I would say DC 15 if the have taint and +5 for each point of taint that they have on them. |
| DarthMarasmus07-14-05, 12:28 AM | Kobold, the other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other other white meat! "And it appears that Rugdar is grating the kobold's tail over a bed of warm brains. Now he's basting the rat with an au jous made from stale dwarven ale and seasoned with the lint from the kobold's pockets. Genius I tell you, genius!" Iron Chef, D&D Edition. "Hmmm hmm hm, cooking up the yummy kobold ummm um ummm, BORK BORK BORK!" |
| BadCatMan07-14-05, 01:19 AM | What happens if someone eats the brain of a mind flayer? |
| Lao, Ninja of the Dragon07-14-05, 01:40 AM | Someone once said something like this be for but I cant resist. Bad, bad PC. No kobold for you*hits* Most good characters would rather die than eat a intelligent creature. Lots of Nuetral ones would, too. I would. And you can quote me on that. |
| braindead34507-14-05, 02:09 AM | I use to play a druid with a "You killed it-you eat it" policy. Really slowed down some of the hack & slash players. |
| Need_A_Life07-14-05, 04:37 AM | I use to play a druid with a "You killed it-you eat it" policy. Really slowed down some of the hack & slash players. Sigged |
| Reivas Genocai07-14-05, 11:10 AM | What happens if someone eats the brain of a mind flayer? You know, I dont know, I just couldnt think of anything else at the time. But now that I think about it, I think that the mind flayer should have a chance of taking over your mind if it had a strong enough link to the Elder Brain, or whatever it was called. But being reasonable, who in thier right mind would eat any type of abberation, except maybe Elan, but that is a story for another time. |
| Need_A_Life07-14-05, 11:26 AM | Order of the Stick Elan or Psionic Race Elan? In either case you'd probably take 1d4 points of Intelligence damage and come under a compulsion to build a 3 sided dice... they're both :looloo: |
| ajmastrean07-14-05, 02:03 PM | I would not consider eating intelligent dead creatures as an evil act if it was done purely for survival reasons. Now, if it is specifically prohibited by one's divine order or whatever...that's a different situation (works on the C-L axis, too). I don't see how it would be difficult to cook those kobolds though...do you have some wood? straw? cloth? and you should have plenty of flint and steel all the time. |
| The_Spleen-Splitter07-14-05, 02:45 PM | I figure it could be good. Evil characters want more than they need. Good ones wouldn't waste good meat (needs to be good, no fiends). :) By the way, I didn't know that if u had a trolls arm you could make a troll just by leaving it be. That is sweet. :cool: |
| Aram al'Castor07-14-05, 02:47 PM | Sure why not if its a choice between survival and eating kobold stew id say go for it. Survival is, after all, not a choice between good and evil, but rather a neccessity. So i say eat up and dont forget you ketchup. |
| Vapthorne07-14-05, 02:58 PM | Just pray that the DM do the monstering eating rules from the gameboy's Final Fantasy Adventure. Eat Kobold meat and become a Dire Badger or some other random monster. :-) |
| rbrt_Spade07-14-05, 03:21 PM | i see the future of taverns/inns in fr, dl, homebrew :) :P ;) :cool: :rolleyes: :mad: poor meal- 1/2 a red dragon steak with bread,water common meal- flame brother stew ,carrots,ale good meal-pit fiend pie, elf cake, wine |
| Bruunwald07-14-05, 03:44 PM | Just to clear up a few things about the situation to make it a little easier to work out (I was a bit vague on the details). The storeroom had already been cleared before we got there, and it hadn't contained food previously anyway. We had enough water for a while but had used all our rations. All that was left was a couple of dead kobolds we had killed a day earlier. There were four people stuck in the room, one of which was expending energy quite quickly trying to break through the massive iron doors that barred our exit. Another member (a friendly NPC) had been beaten and locked up and needed sustenance. On a side note, would eating another humanoid in this way go against character alignment? (we are all chaotic neutral, not sure what the npc is, seems good anyway). Even a Lawful Good character could get away with eating an already-dead sentient creature if he was starving to death. It happens in real life, from time to time, and nobody thinks those people are bad. It's just an awful thing to have to do, but taking your last chance at survival in this way doesn't make you an awful person. Killing someone to eat them before you get to that state is an evil thing to do. Chaotic Neutral is a pretty flexible alignment, however. I wouldn't worry about it. One of our chaotic neutrals has a little dance she does on her fallen foe's skull after a particularly gruelling battle has taken place. Either that, or she extracts some part of the foe and eats it, ritually. She's not evil, just very aggressive and easily frustrated, and her rituals are foreign to us. |
| DDogwood07-14-05, 06:20 PM | What happens if someone eats the brain of a mind flayer? Poetic justice. |
| RavenoftheCrags07-15-05, 02:58 AM | Rather than working out wether to eat a kobold, would it not make sense to work out your escape plan? |
| leavemealonefrank07-15-05, 08:57 AM | I had an escape plan, but unfortunately it would take a while (about 3 days). I had my fighter try and break the iron door down. It started to work but then his weapon shattered so we were screwed. Luckily we had told another group of NPC's that we would be 5 days max in searching the area. We entered the store room after two days looking for any clues to the disappearance of the miners. As we entered two kobolds ran in and attacked us and four stayed at the the door with crossbows. We killed the two kobolds attacking us and then the other four decided to flee...but not before closing the door and locking it. After trying the door for a little while we decided to look around the store room and see what we had at our disposal. All that was left were a few empty crates and barrels, a barrel full of water, two dead kobolds and in one corner a beaten up NPC (Faal). We had used our rations (not thinking we hadn't packed enough). We needed to get him to somewhere for food. So our dwarven fighter tried breaking the door (as mentioned above). After this we had two people in need of sustinence, two others needing food soon (but could survive on the water). We decided the only way Faal was going to survive was to cook the kobolds. We used the crates broken up and some flint and steel to create a fire and proceeded to cook the kobolds using there spears as a spit. We did escape when the NPC's came and rescued us, but we were hailed as heroes for saving Faal in half of the village, and laughed at by the other half for getting locked up by four kobolds. |
| Phrennzy07-15-05, 01:54 PM | According to the lore, the Wendigo is created whenever a human resorts to cannibalism to survive. The Inuit Indians called the creature by various names, including Wendigo, Witigo, Witiko and Wee-Tee-Go but each of them was roughly translated to mean "the evil spirit that devours mankind". Here's a free WOTC adventure about one as well! http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/oa/20040529a Wen-Di-Go Wen-Di-Go Wen-Di-Go |
| DragonDeadite07-15-05, 02:17 PM | I'm playing in a Midnight game (by FFG) and anyone who's ever played in Midnight with a mean enough DM knows full well that you eat whatever you can get ahold of! We've eaten a Dire Snake, about a dozen orcs, these lizard creatures we found in the shadow plane, and right now we've got about 50 lbs of human meat in our packs that we eat... every character plays it off as "forcing the meat down my throat" while my character just eats it up... in my opinion, IG and OOC, all meat is the same, no matter where it comes from. Dog meat, cat meat, horse meat, cow meat, human meat, it can all be eaten and some kinds of meat taste better than others. Eating isn't wrong, killing for survive isn't wrong, so what's what with eating what you've killed to survive? Yeah... I know... I'm a freak. "There is a legend in China that says those that have eaten the flesh of a mermaid can never eat anything else ever again. Some say the same is true of human flesh, don't you think?" (Not exact quote from Pet Shop of Horrors) :devil: :dragon: |
| da beast07-15-05, 07:04 PM | Its possibal but its nasty and not good for your helth... I would put up a Fortitude DC 5 for a fully healthy, well cooked, kobold. A Fortitude DC 10 for a healthy, poorly cooked (not all the way done) kobold. A Fortiude DC 15 for a disiesed, well cooked kobold. A DC 18 for disiesed poorly cooked kobold or healthy uncooked. DC 20 for disiesed un-cooked kobold. Those consider that its a non-magical disiese (such as hepititus which i don't think you can get through a kobold... or any other kind of food posioning) if its a magical disies i add the disieses DC to the fort. DC minuis 2. The reason there is a save is because kobolds are just nasty in general. Considering what they eat and their anatomy they would most likely be stringy and foul tasting so if you have a week stomach (therfore low foritude) unless a master chef were to prepare the kobold you would become sick. Also look at a kobolds diet, it isn't very high in nutritional diversity. I belive someone in the class section made a master chef class... Hope that helped a bit. |
| Zee'Tah07-15-05, 08:05 PM | Personaly I woulgn't touch kolbold, they are one of the most dirty monsters I can think of asid from troll and goblinoids. On the note of raw meat, fish is different from red meat... although I'm not sure what type of meat Kolbold would be. I think that reptilian is ok to eat raw. I had a character eat beholder eye once, he was a crazy character once. Well the only other thing I can say is good eating! :D |
| Phrennzy07-15-05, 08:57 PM | VINCENT: Want a sausage? JULES: Naw, I don't eat kobold. VINCENT: Are you Elvish? JULES: I ain't Elvish man, I just don't dig on kobold. VINCENT: Why not? JULES: They're filthy animals. I don't eat filthy animals. VINCENT: Sausages taste good. Kobold chops taste good. JULES: A otyugh may taste like pumpkin pie. I'll never know 'cause even if it did, I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf'r. Kobolds sleep and root in crap. That's a filthy animal. I don't wanna eat nothin' that ain't got enough sense to disregard its own feces. VINCENT: How about dogs? Dogs eat their own feces. JULES: I don't eat dog either. VINCENT: Yes, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal? JULES: I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy, but they're definitely dirty. But a dog's got personality. And personality goes a long way. VINCENT: So by that rationale, if a kobold had a better personality, he's cease to be a filthy animal? JULES: We'd have to be talkin' 'bout one motherf'n charmin' kobold. |
| Liwmial07-16-05, 01:42 PM | humans can actually eat raw meat without a problem if they do so frequently enough to build up a tolerance for the bacteria in the meat I am struck by the image of Johnny Depp in C&tCF - "Even I am eatable! But that's called cannibalism ... and is frowned upon in most countries." |
| damienroy7707-16-05, 02:16 PM | I think it's all down to culture and not alignment. For instance in our culture of wealth eating anything sllighlty off or sentient would stop most of us including me. However other cultures are totally capable of making the difference between dead and alive, and have no second thoughts at eating anything once dead. If you actually push it a little further you have no problems to actually KILL a sentient being, but you're not sure you can eat it? I can understand that if the kobold was a king and there was a chance someone may try to resurect him in the future but as the scene was described there is no difference between a sentient dead monster and a stupid dead cow. After all it is now in technical term an "unanimated object". In regards to eating a dead kobold after a day or two I can't see any problems either humans have survived eating beached whales which had been on the shore for a few weeks and every carnivorous animal I can think off WOULD eat a animal dead only 48 hours ago. To conclude as far as I'm concerned no technical problems at all, and your medieval hack and slash hungry characters wouldn't think as much as us, sitting in front of computer eating packaged food. |
| King_Bulba07-16-05, 08:56 PM | I think it's all down to culture and not alignment. I SOOOOO agree. I dont see why people are trying to put an alignment on it. If eatting creatures are evil then everyone is evil other than plant creatues who get energy from the sun. Even cows kill grass to eat it. Spiders eat insects. If you try to put a difference on setient creatures then where do you draw the line. Is eatting a cow ok, or is it too dumb? How about a chimp? I don't draw that line. If you killed an orc because he was hostile, then why not eat him, he is the same as a dead cow. It matters not if he could think or not. Energy is Energy, doesnt matter if its from grass, light or flesh. Now could you be good and kill an innocent creature to eat it? It seems natural to me, animals kill for food and they dont care if its sentient or not. It puts an interesting light on vampires, personally I think its crap that they are innately evil. |
| da beast07-16-05, 11:54 PM | The first thing to worry about is the disies the thing carries. Sentinint and inteligent beings are more likely to be "clean" than uninteligent ones. |
| Kliqueman07-17-05, 04:57 AM | Heck... there's even a fun prestige class that you can find in Bride of Portable Hole over at enworld/rpgnow... its a free download and it's all about eating monsters and being all chef-like when adventuring... quite amusing |