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GauD 12-26-04, 10:00 PM	One of my friends and I were looking into the "Effigy Master" prestige class tonight. It seemed pretty simple at first. However when we tried to work out the details, we bumped into a few 'problems'. normaly I don't mind a bit of puzzling..but this is costing me much needed sleep (already 4 o'clock at night) The character I had in mind was a sorcerer7/Effigy master5. So that would enable me to create a 16HD effigy creature (11 caster level+5 effigy level).. that would create a more powerful creature than myself, or am I missing something? Another thing I was unable to solve (my friend abandoned me for some much needed sleep), was the natural armor on the dire lion effigy example. A normal dire lion has a natural armor value of 4, yet the effigy version has a value of 6.. where does this difference come from? One final question, considering the above, is it legal to create a 16 HD Juvenile Battle Dragon effigy for my character? and, if so, what would such a creature look like.. statistic-wise? If you don't mind.. I'll be heading to bed now
Kainy 12-27-04, 12:52 AM	Monsters generally have more HD than CR. This is because most HD types are vastly inferior to PC class levels, which are one of the few things that give CR on a 1 for 1 basis. Certain 16 HD effigies might be CR 11 or higher (realistically) but really, that's something the DM should keep an eye on. CR for an effigy is supposed to go up by about 3, but IIRC, the loss of Su/Sp abilities would make dragon effigies VASTLY overconned. Never seen an effigy master in play, though.
Kolakuba 12-27-04, 03:49 AM	Two words: Effigy hydra!
Azhran 12-27-04, 07:49 AM	16D10 + 20 (16*5.5 + 20 = 108) Str: 19 + 4 = 23 Dex: 10 - 2 = 8 Con: - Int: - Wis: 11 Cha: 1 Base attack: 16 * 3/4 = 12 Grapple: 12 + 6 = 18 Attack: 12 + 6 = 18 Fort save: 16/3 = 5 Ref: 16/3 -1 = 4 Will: 16/3 = 5 DR: 10/Adamantine Attacks: +18 1 Bite (1D8 + 6) +16 2 Claws(1D6 + 3) +16 2 Wings(1D4 + 3) Not too sure about the saves though, and some other minor mistakes might be in there as well :P
grakus 12-27-04, 10:03 AM	I second the effigy hyrda suggestion. Lots of natural attacks with reach sounds good.