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Post/Author/DateTime Post
DancingVader
09-06-06, 10:52 PM When taking the feral template do u gain the special abilities from the hd progression even if u have no lvls in Monsterous huminoid .

For exaple whould a 13 lvl orc fighter with the feral template have pounce?
Kazeofwinds
09-06-06, 10:58 PM If it just says "Hitdice" or "HD" Class hitdice grant abilities, if it specifies racial, then you need racial HD.
Roivas
09-06-06, 11:35 PM I would advise against using the feral template anyways. It's a holdover from 3.0 with a missprint on the level adjustment. I personally think it is closer to a +3 due to it's numerous combat oriented abilities.
Xaktsaroth
09-07-06, 12:32 AM The core races(Humans and such) only have 1HD which is replaced by a class level.

So, for 1HD creatures that get the switch, Class HD = Racial HD.

This has been brought up many times and that was the answer that came from R&D.

Hope that helps. :)
Deekin
09-07-06, 10:20 PM So, for 1HD creatures that get the switch, Class HD = Racial HD.

WRONG

racial Hit Die
The Hit Dice a monster has by virtue of what type of creature it is. Hit Dice gained from taking class levels are not racial Hit Dice.

Feral powers are based on Racial HD, so no, you do not get the shiny feral powers.
Archangel62
09-08-06, 04:11 AM The context was for the purposes of the feat, according to tech support class HD also works for gaining advancing powers.
JungeonJeff
09-13-06, 05:25 AM .

WRONG

Feral powers are based on Racial HD, so no, you do not get the shiny feral powers.

Actually, the Special Attacks from the Feral template is based on Hit Dice, not Racial Hit Dice. Therefor a characters Hit Dice from Class lvl's would contribute to which Special Attacks is available.
Deekin
09-13-06, 12:30 PM My copy says Racial HD, but you mileage will vary.
BarbeChenue
09-14-06, 02:04 AM They don't mention "Racial Hit Dice" but I've found this sentence under the Special Attacks:

It gains the special attacks indicated in the row corresponding to its monster Hit Dice, plus all those in previous rows.

"Monster Hit Dice" is not used anywhere else on the template, so that's the only occurence. YMMV about what this means.

Personally, for balance's sake, I'd only apply it to creatures with monster HDs, or a very high level character. Level Adjustments have an exponential cost, so adding +1 on top of another +1 or +2 is much bigger than a single +1.
JungeonJeff
09-14-06, 06:00 AM My copy says Racial HD, but you mileage will vary.

Wait. Im only looking under Special Attacks right now. And i just double-tjecked. My irl copy says 'Hit Dice'. Could it have been changed in later prints? :confused:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
DancingVader 09-06-06, 10:52 PM	When taking the feral template do u gain the special abilities from the hd progression even if u have no lvls in Monsterous huminoid . For exaple whould a 13 lvl orc fighter with the feral template have pounce?
Kazeofwinds 09-06-06, 10:58 PM	If it just says "Hitdice" or "HD" Class hitdice grant abilities, if it specifies racial, then you need racial HD.
Roivas 09-06-06, 11:35 PM	I would advise against using the feral template anyways. It's a holdover from 3.0 with a missprint on the level adjustment. I personally think it is closer to a +3 due to it's numerous combat oriented abilities.
Xaktsaroth 09-07-06, 12:32 AM	The core races(Humans and such) only have 1HD which is replaced by a class level. So, for 1HD creatures that get the switch, Class HD = Racial HD. This has been brought up many times and that was the answer that came from R&D. Hope that helps. :)
Deekin 09-07-06, 10:20 PM	So, for 1HD creatures that get the switch, Class HD = Racial HD. WRONG racial Hit Die The Hit Dice a monster has by virtue of what type of creature it is. Hit Dice gained from taking class levels are not racial Hit Dice. Feral powers are based on Racial HD, so no, you do not get the shiny feral powers.
Archangel62 09-08-06, 04:11 AM	The context was for the purposes of the feat, according to tech support class HD also works for gaining advancing powers.
JungeonJeff 09-13-06, 05:25 AM	. WRONG Feral powers are based on Racial HD, so no, you do not get the shiny feral powers. Actually, the Special Attacks from the Feral template is based on Hit Dice, not Racial Hit Dice. Therefor a characters Hit Dice from Class lvl's would contribute to which Special Attacks is available.
Deekin 09-13-06, 12:30 PM	My copy says Racial HD, but you mileage will vary.
BarbeChenue 09-14-06, 02:04 AM	They don't mention "Racial Hit Dice" but I've found this sentence under the Special Attacks: It gains the special attacks indicated in the row corresponding to its monster Hit Dice, plus all those in previous rows. "Monster Hit Dice" is not used anywhere else on the template, so that's the only occurence. YMMV about what this means. Personally, for balance's sake, I'd only apply it to creatures with monster HDs, or a very high level character. Level Adjustments have an exponential cost, so adding +1 on top of another +1 or +2 is much bigger than a single +1.
JungeonJeff 09-14-06, 06:00 AM	My copy says Racial HD, but you mileage will vary. Wait. Im only looking under Special Attacks right now. And i just double-tjecked. My irl copy says 'Hit Dice'. Could it have been changed in later prints? :confused: