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Tarrius 09-03-07, 03:48 AM	Hey guys. So I just got done playing a game with three of my friends. Usually, I'm the one DM'ing, but it just so happened that one of my friends DM'ed this game. All excited, I made up my character (Psychic Warrior/Elocator). The DM had us start at 6th level and the other two people in my party were a warlock and a fighter/rogue. See, I have a real penchant for playing the "knight in shining armor" type character that's lawful or neutral good. It's just kind of my thing, I really like good characters, and seeing as I don't play very often, I take every chance I get to do that. When we sat down at the table to lay the roleplaying foundation for our characters, already problems were arising. All three of the friends I play with are very chaotic types, and just as I like playing the paladin archetype, they love the "Let's just walk around and steal ****" archetype. So, when we went to describe who we were, my two friends who were playing just said, "Yeah, we go from town to town stealing ****." I figured I'd bend a little bit for them and decided to play a straight neutral character. My character's attitude towards their theivery and general antics was basically "don't get me involved, if you get caught, don't come crying to me, and I'll never take the fall for you." One thing led to another, and we ended up stuck in a jail cell, minus the warlock. The warlock proceeded to break out only the rogue/fighter and left me there, stealing my armor (mithral full plate). I ended up dying because the guards all attacked me when they found me. I personally hated this session for several reasons. First of all, when we first started the two other players decided to go steal something from the mayor's house. The little adventure that followed was a 1/4 of our whole session, where I wasn't involved at all. Second, the warlock seemed incredibly overpowered. Although everything he did was within the rules, he was always invisible, finding a way around the rules in that he never directly caused harm to someone, and had spiderwalk as the spell 24/7. Overall, it just felt like the DM favored the other two character's style of play over mine, and just left me out to dry. Am I being unreasonable here in not having any fun with the session, and what could I do next time to not have such a discord between players/DM occur?
Mysteria 09-03-07, 06:19 AM	Make a character that actually wants to go stealing with them? :) Yes, I know, you rather like LG/NG, but I don't think you can convince the majority to go with your liking rather then theirs. Who knows, a change of pace might be fun. :) Oh, and try to make characters that have each other's back instead of screwing over each other. ;)
Roog 09-03-07, 07:47 AM	Am I being unreasonable here in not having any fun with the session, You are not being unreasonable, you didn't want to play the same game they did. and what could I do next time to not have such a discord between players/DM occur? Talk with them about it. Come to some agreement on a game that you all want to play. You may need to compromise your game and character idea to keep everyone happy, and they may need to too.
Shadowhowler 09-03-07, 12:54 PM	Yup... I run into this problem ALL the time... becuase I normaly DM and hardly get to play, especialy now that I am FAR away from my home and esteblished gaming group. When you sit down to make characters, your going to imedatly get a feel for the kinda game everyone wants to play. If it looks like it's not going to be YOUR style of game, you have two choices: 1. Adapt. Make a character that will fit in with the other characters and the style of play the players are looking for. Trying to play your style when they are playing a differant style is like trying to jam a square peg into a round hole, it just won't work well. 2. Don't play. Your not going to make everyone want to play your way... and if you can't have fun playing their way, don't play. If the games not fun, why bother? I normaly try the former first... and it often dosn't end up working and I have to opt for the later. :(
Nephlite 09-03-07, 03:07 PM	One thing led to another, and we ended up stuck in a jail cell, minus the warlock. The warlock proceeded to break out only the rogue/fighter and left me there, stealing my armor (mithral full plate). I ended up dying because the guards all attacked me when they found me. Wait, why were you in prison? Explain this. Am I being unreasonable here in not having any fun with the session, and what could I do next time to not have such a discord between players/DM occur? I do'nt get this. If you never stole: why were you in jail?
Kusari_Gamer 09-04-07, 04:45 PM	Hopefully this will show the importance of players talking to each other during character creation. My group always tends to be really bad about this. My personal opinion, when everyone was introducing their characters and you saw that your character was out of place, would have been to say "I'll be over here throwing another character together so that we can all have fun. Start without me."
Bozwevial 09-04-07, 08:18 PM	Talk to your DM. Explain that you didn't have any fun during the last session because for part of it you weren't present, you had no chance to shine, and you ended up dying and taking the fall for the other characters' actions. Tell him that you would enjoy the game more if there were more situations which fit with your style of play.
Tiefling_Warlock 09-04-07, 08:32 PM	O.K., first problem, you weren't there for the first 1/4 of session because they went out thieving and you didn't want to. Right? If so, whats the problem, you opted out, it was your choice, simple solution, participate. If you weren't in for another reason, tell me, I didn't get it, sorry. If you were out because it didn't fit your character, you have to change your character. How was he favoring them? Was it just the rules supported them? I mean, Warlocks can do some crazy things, but their expertise is limited. You said he never directly hurt anyone, is that because he's bad in combat? I'd look around for some why Warlocks aren't overpowered threads. Also, elaborate some more on "Overall, it just felt like the DM favored the other two character's style of play over mine, and just left me out to dry." how so? Most DMs will accommodate the majority, most will also give room for others, but some new DMs (you did say you normally DM right?) can't work it out, so they go with the flow. It is also hard to put thieves with knights. From what I heard, make a new character. or change the alignment of the one you are playing. You might want to play the knight, but, what is more fun, being the odd man out, or playing something not quite your style. P.S. heres a though, be a nice thief. Talk to the DM and be the party "leader" with good skills at getting jobs set up. You can move your groups operations to an evil town of oppression and be like Robin Hood.
Angel Black 09-04-07, 08:59 PM	See, I have a real penchant for playing the "knight in shining armor" type character that's lawful or neutral good. ... All three of the friends I play with are very chaotic types, and just as I like playing the paladin archetype,... Warlock is OK, he is suposed to have all that buffs, and yeah in a party like that your character is the "weakest".Paladins shine in battles, and Rogues in most of the skill rolls.My guess is that a Knight (PHB II), a Favored Soul(CD) or a Fighter will work better in that group,as a Paladin the things will become really hard(plenty of alignment traps, there is not even room to be really "Neutral", can't work with your team in almost everything,and all the rest of the team are suposed to REALLY hate you). If I really have to be a Paladin in a team full of Rogues I would take lots of levels in Cleric so I would have those buffs and deadly weapons everybody needs once in a while, so if they dare to leave me alone, they will be in real troubles later ("guess who is not getting any heal today because he miss to take soMEone out of the jail") Better ditch the Legal Good alignment and embrace the force of the Neutral Good side.
Bozwevial 09-04-07, 09:01 PM	O.K., first problem, you weren't there for the first 1/4 of session because they went out thieving and you didn't want to. Right? If so, whats the problem, you opted out, it was your choice, simple solution, participate. If you weren't in for another reason, tell me, I didn't get it, sorry. If you were out because it didn't fit your character, you have to change your character. First off, no he doesn't. Nobody "has" to change their character because the other party members are chaotic kleptomaniacs. What if he was a paladin? Does he still have to steal with his party members? The problem here isn't that he didn't go stealing, it's that the DM left him out and didn't give him anything to do while the others were stealing. How was he favoring them? Was it just the rules supported them? I mean, Warlocks can do some crazy things, but their expertise is limited. You said he never directly hurt anyone, is that because he's bad in combat? I'd look around for some why Warlocks aren't overpowered threads. Warlocks do tend to have limited expertise. To some players, though, it tends to seem a little unfair for their wizard to be outclassed by the warlock pumping out invisibility and eldritch blast every round. A clever character with invisibility can be really annoying to the DM. However, at later levels, I'd guess you might gain the upper hand back. If you can use your psionics to their best, and stay mobile, you can easily outfight a warlock. Besides, I like elocaters. (And no, that's not an invitation for a warlock versus elocater thread. Just ignore it if you disagree.) Also, elaborate some more on "Overall, it just felt like the DM favored the other two character's style of play over mine, and just left me out to dry." how so? I'd say being inactive 25% of the game session is enough right there. A one hour game session means that he's just sitting on his butt for 15 straight minutes listening to them have a good time. And I defy anyone to enjoy that without participating at all. I'd also say the fact that he wound up dead, stripped of his armor in a jail cell, while the two characters who did the stealing got away scot-free, pretty much should need no further elaboration. His body is probably even now being left on a slab in the morgue to dry. And how did they get your armor off of you? Most DMs will accommodate the majority, most will also give room for others, but some new DMs (you did say you normally DM right?) can't work it out, so they go with the flow. It is also hard to put thieves with knights. I do want to know why you got dragged into the whole mess. It sounds to me like your DM looked at you midway through the session and thought, "Poor guy, he's not having fun at all. I'm gonna involve him now to let him have some fun." Then it backfired, and you were left out in the cold again. From what I heard, make a new character. or change the alignment of the one you are playing. You might want to play the knight, but, what is more fun, being the odd man out, or playing something not quite your style. Being the odd man out. Seriously, play what you want and just ignore the others. If this crops up again, tell the DM that you don't like being forced into playing something, and it seems like that's what is happening. He should understand that you shouldn't be forced to play a klepto. P.S. heres a though, be a nice thief. Talk to the DM and be the party "leader" with good skills at getting jobs set up. You can move your groups operations to an evil town of oppression and be like Robin Hood. It doesn't sound like the party would go along with that idea. They steal from whoever they fluffing please and leave a friend to die (after stripping him of his lewt), I don't think they're gonna squat in the woods and be Merry Men.
BW0222 09-05-07, 12:42 PM	Tarrius Am I being unreasonable here in not having any fun with the session, and what could I do next time to not have such a discord between players/DM occur? Don't play with them in that type of campaign. There are lots of folks I won't play with in a campaign setting, not because they are aweful people, but because they enjoy play which I don't. PvP, evil, chaotic stupid, bragarts, high-magic, gloating about magical items, making the most powerful character, etc. isn't for me. Now, sometimes I'll play in a one-of game, a classic modules (where we have pre-gen characters), an RPGA event (where you can't do these things), etc. with such players, but I realize that I just don't have fun in long-term games with such folks. It isn't anything personal. I have good friends who I don't play tennis with (I don't play) and they don't go to the same concerts I do either. You appear to be honestly looking at the situation and realize that you don't enjoy such types of campaigns. Be honest with them. Let them know that you aren't enjoying their type of campaign. You don't like the PvP, power-gaming, and you'd rather be a hero than a pack of thieves. You prefer cooperative play, good-aligned heros, etc. They are welcome to your games, you are interested in other social activities, and if they are running any one-of games, classics, or RPGA type stuff, then you are certainly willing to come out, etc.
key 09-05-07, 01:00 PM	One thing led to another, and we ended up stuck in a jail cell, minus the warlock. The warlock proceeded to break out only the rogue/fighter and left me there, stealing my armor (mithral full plate). I ended up dying because the guards all attacked me when they found me. Absolutely hilarious. If I was one of your 2 friends, I'd never stop laughing. Personally, I always try to be cool with my party, so that hopefully my guy dies less often.
Shadowhowler 09-05-07, 03:58 PM	Absolutely hilarious. If I was one of your 2 friends, I'd never stop laughing. That wouldn't make you much of a friend, I would think. :rolleyes:
deathbane 09-06-07, 01:54 AM	I ended up dying because the guards all attacked me when they found me. The guards had no reason to kill you just because you knew the other people. Obviously, if they left you behind you are not a part of the group. It would have make more sense to interrogate you about where your friends might be in exchange for your freedom. Of course their characters would not be happy about this, but that is what happens when you leave witnesses behind.
Shadowhowler 09-07-07, 01:02 AM	The guards had no reason to kill you just because you knew the other people. Obviously, if they left you behind you are not a part of the group. It would have make more sense to interrogate you about where your friends might be in exchange for your freedom. Of course their characters would not be happy about this, but that is what happens when you leave witnesses behind. A Very good point. I would think this shows some favoritism and/or foolishness on the DM's part.
Dragoloth 09-07-07, 01:21 AM	Play a rogue and out steal them. Heck steal a town blind and frame them for it.
Majick 09-07-07, 03:27 AM	The biggest hack and cheese you can EVER put into a game is to play the character you know your DM WOULD WANT TO PLAY. Seriously, ask him about some of his favourite character off-handedly and see what he says, them mimick it. If your feeling exceptionally spitefull, though i don't condone this, totally screw up his ideal character and make him totally crap at everything thereby ruining the DM's only true love and either forcing him to "play fair" or metagame and make you win even though you suck, either way it proves a solid point
Cartigan 09-07-07, 09:56 AM	Everyone has been playing D&D too long. You all see this as a character conflict but it appears to me that the other players have a problem with him. Find a different group.
moriarty13 09-07-07, 10:30 AM	It sounds like the people you play with are idiots. So either join in the idiocy and enjoy it or find a new group. I'd maybe try to talk everyone into trying a Good-only campaign for 2-3 game sessions or something and see what they say.
Stoyrm 09-07-07, 01:12 PM	Play a paladin, and when they steal again, you deliver them to the autorities, and help the autorities chop of their arm as punishment for stealing. Stealing is a sin.
Count Nerindil Van Seraph 09-07-07, 01:19 PM	A simple truth: "Not gaming is often times better than bad gaming." These guys sound like complete tools. If you don't like them, don't game with them, even if they are the only people who game in your town. Heck, just come get your gaming fix here. (http://forums.gleemax.com/forumdisplay.php?f=278) http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd153/Nerindil981/LG.jpg
mato_hibiki 09-08-07, 08:38 AM	I LOVE propaganda! Props to the Count for the sweet piccie! Now for my suggestion... Vow of Poverty Paladin, if you can manage it. If not, VoP Monk. If they try to screw you over, SMITE THEM! In self defense, of course. :D And when they complain, stare at them blankly for a moment, then say "I'm confused, I'm not supposed to defend myself?" If you've decided to turn them in for their looting ways, again, when they complain, give the blank stare, and... "Why did you attack me? I was just doing the right thing." If they argue with that, ask them if it would be better to just backstab them and loot their corpses? Here comes the kicker, as I love setting people up for good lines. When they say it's not better for you to backstab them and loot their cold dead corpses, point out to them that they've already done this to you before, and found it to be acceptable. :D If they have some maturity, they'll see the folly of their ways, and you'll be on your road to fun adventure again. ... On the other hand, if they're immature punks, you may need to roll up a VoP Monk/Druid and become untouchable for a few sessions. Your mileage may vary.